Help me understand atheism

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So whats this all about.

No im not intrested in joining but what is it all about?
 
Good question, ask me again after i have consulted raptor jesus :|
 
It's not about anything, it's what you call people that simply don't believe that god really exists. That's it.
 
Azner said:
No seriously.
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D'you know that fella, God? We don't believe in him. That's pretty much it. It's really not that hard, we're accepted in most places, we ride in the same part of the bus as everyone else... one of these days they're even gonna let us vote!
 
Correction, that any god whatsoever exists...




my apologies Azzy :p
 
Azner said:
Then what happens after death D:
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Do you remember before you were born?

That happens.

You cease to exist. There's no afterlife, there's no conciousness. You end. That might sound frightening, but I assure you--you won't exist to think about it.
 
And your life?

Cmon you dont really think about after death?
 
Azner said:
And your life?

Cmon you dont really think about after death?
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Of course I've thought about it. Everybody's thought about it. I'm not even going to lie to you and tell you it isn't a scary prospect.

But the alternative that you go on existing in some form after death is ludicrous. It's people wanting a "happy ending," instead of just an "ending."
 
Ill take my chances thank you :p

So then what do you guys think about after death
 
Azner said:
Ill take my chances thank you :p

So then what do you guys think about after death
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You die. Possibly something else happens after that, I'm not really that concerned about it (Used to be back when all my christian friends were telling me I was gonna burn in hell for not praying to the big invisible sky-guru). More worried about how I live my life now. The concept of hell is really what turned me away from any form of christian religion actually. Plus all my idiot christian friends helped.
 
I don't give a shit.

Technically I'm supposed to believe in reincarnation (as a semi-buddhist) but really I don't see the point of wondering. I'm not going to find out until I die, and I'm not going to come back and tell anybody, and there's no way to know now... so why bother speculating? Whatever happens, happens.

This may seem a sad way to go through life but I personally find it a lot better than this bullshit heaven and hell crap.
 
Reincarnation would be a bitch. Could you imagine coming back as anything else other than a human being, like an insect or a dog, or a snake? You'd feel like Cobra Commander in the '86 movie for the rest of eternity.

"I WASSSSSS ONCE A MAAAAAAAAN!"
 
You are reincarnated as the anus of a gay person for mentioning "buttsechs" so many goddamn times during this life
 
Azner said:
Ill take my chances thank you :p

So then what do you guys think about after death
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Oblivion. Non-existance.
It sounds depressing at first, and when I first became an athiest I was constantly worried about death. But after a couple of years, I just don't think about it. I was dead for eternity before I was born, and that wasn't so bad.
The thing that turned me off religion was the idea of hell. Seriously, a lifetime of sin does no equate to eternal torture. And the worst part is I have never killed, rpaed or stolen from anyone, but I will still go to hell because I dared question God. Similary, the idea of heaven is equally retarded. How does 90 years of goodness equate to eternal happyness?
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
The thing that turned me off religion was the idea of hell. Seriously, a lifetime of sin does no equate to eternal torture. Similary, the idea of heaven is equally retarded. How does 90 years of goodness equate to eternal happyness?
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That's pretty much my thoughts exactly. I cannot think of any single person ever to deserve eternity of torture.
 
Darkside55 said:
Reincarnation would be a bitch. Could you imagine coming back as anything else other than a human being, like an insect or a dog, or a snake? You'd feel like Cobra Commander in the '86 movie for the rest of eternity.

"I WASSSSSS ONCE A MAAAAAAAAN!"
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You wouldn't consciously know about it, apparently. It's one of the main reasons I don't really believe in the reincarnation side of Buddhism.
 
I did not know that. I always assumed you'd know. Hunh.

Well that defeats the entire point, doesn't it?
 
There's some mystical stuff about realising it under it all because you've got the same soul, and there might be some stuff about not knowing about it when you're a rabbit is why you learn about it as a human, because this is the point where you can redeem your sins blah blah blah.

Reincarnation or not, Heaven or not, Hell or not, Oblivion or not, the point is: be a good person when you're alive, because a ****load of people aren't.
 
Atheism is often applied to, (weak atheist)"the lack of belief in a god" or (strong atheist)"the belief a god does not exist". Those definitions are different. For example you were a weak atheist at one time in your life. When you were born and you could barely think, you had no idea what god was. The thought never even crossed your mind. You did not believe he did or didn't exist. You lacked any belief in that god. So you were a weak atheist.

But yes, thats all Atheism covers. Those 2 definitions. Nothing more. Nothing less. What happens after death is up to the person. Beliving in evolution, gravity, quantum mechanics, etc.. is all up to the person. Hell believing that 1 + 1 = 2 is up to the person. Atheism does not say you believe in evolution, it doesn't say much about you.

Why should anything happen after death? We didn't have consciousness before we were alive, why should we have it after we were alive. Some people need to believe theres something beyond death to get them through every day. I don't. Theres no reason for a god, and if you throw out the "what created the universe then"; I would tell you to see occam's razor. Then I would tell you I don't know.
 
Jintor said:
You wouldn't consciously know about it, apparently. It's one of the main reasons I don't really believe in the reincarnation side of Buddhism.
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Betcha dont believe in karma either so you do lots of bad :O
 
No, he said right there: do lots of good.

Problem with people is that most of them need some external motivation--such as karma or an afterlife--to be good. That's sad; be good just to be good.
 
Darkside55 said:
No, he said right there: do lots of good.

Problem with people is that most of them need some external motivation--such as karma or an afterlife--to be good. That's sad; be good just to be good.
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I agree. I am sick of people thinking that the lack of belief in a god somehow means that we are murderous, rampant morons. I am sure some Atheists do bad... But only as much as any other religious cult, group or sect. Does anybody remember the crusades or 9/11? (Well ok... Has anybody read about the crusades! :p ) Also, just because the idea of an afterlife is an inviting one, it does not somehow increase its truth value. ;)
 
****, I remember the crusades. I barely got outta there.
 
Azner said:
Betcha dont believe in karma either so you do lots of bad :O
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Another one who thinks that because we dont believe in heaven or hell we can simply do as many evil things as we like and it doesnt matter??
 
Well i did a lot of soul searching the past few months and I settled as an agnostic, simply because I just do not know what the believe. I have two competing sides of my brain, my rational side and my side of faith, and I just cant shut one up because questions get asked everyday that uses both sides.

I believe fully in science and theories of science and ill admit it is very hard for me to downright fully believe that something we cannot explain or cannot even see, can be controlling everything. But then again I have very strong 'feelings', thats really the only can I describe it, that there is something more to this life than the 90 years we get, and that there are things in this life that science, to which i strongly follow, cannot explain.

This is why I simply cannot downright exclude the existance of a higher power or an afterlife, but than again I simply cannot say that yes, God exists, that when we die the souls in our bodies will rise up etc. Therefore I read that agnostics sit in between, or spectate if you like, because Im far too open-minded to anything to go extremist in my views.

But at the end of the day, I will live my life to the best of my ability, take every and any opportunity I can to seize the day, and when I finally die (hopefully not for a long time as I have a lot to achieve first), all be revealed, or in the othercase, it wont.

But for the record, I hate the fact of there not being an afterlife, essentially not being able to see my past loved ones again, and the fact that 90 years in existance compared to an eternity, sucks hard.
 
But for the record, I hate the fact of there not being an afterlife, essentially not being able to see my past loved ones again, and the fact that 90 years in existance compared to an eternity, sucks hard.
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Don't I know it. Would that we really could meet with the people in our lives who've passed. But, it's a dreamer's notion.

I've a friend I often argue this point on (it's funny because he's always the one who brings it up; I'd personally rather not discuss it at all); he's religious, believes in an afterlife, believes in spirits and ghosts and all that jazz. And it's silly, you know, to think that somehow there are people waiting for you beyond the grave. Well how's that going to happen?

Ultimately what you said really is the point of life, to seize the day and live to the best of your ability. And what Jintor said about doing good in your lifetime even if others don't, because it matters whether you believe in something or not.

And if you die and there's no afterlife at least you're imprinted on peoples' memories for a time, and you can optimistically consider that to be "living beyond death."
 
Cole said:
Atheism is often applied to, (weak atheist)"the lack of belief in a god" or (strong atheist)"the belief a god does not exist". Those definitions are different. For example you were a weak atheist at one time in your life. When you were born and you could barely think, you had no idea what god was. The thought never even crossed your mind. You did not believe he did or didn't exist. You lacked any belief in that god. So you were a weak atheist.

But yes, thats all Atheism covers. Those 2 definitions. Nothing more. Nothing less. What happens after death is up to the person. Beliving in evolution, gravity, quantum mechanics, etc.. is all up to the person. Hell believing that 1 + 1 = 2 is up to the person. Atheism does not say you believe in evolution, it doesn't say much about you.

Why should anything happen after death? We didn't have consciousness before we were alive, why should we have it after we were alive. Some people need to believe theres something beyond death to get them through every day. I don't. Theres no reason for a god, and if you throw out the "what created the universe then"; I would tell you to see occam's razor. Then I would tell you I don't know.
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Couldn't have said it much better. I had an argument with somebody about how schools teach "Atheism" because they teach evolution. Also how she deserves to be taught her Christian ways, and that anybody else teaching something else shouldn't be teaching. And the constitution is wrong with the whole "Separation of church and state" business. It's one thing to be a Christian, but to say "FU" to everybody else is a new form of hypochristian, there.
 
Please at least tell me you gave her a scathing response in reply.
 
i think we have life "outside" of this one, that is less singular, doesnt have the notions we have about existance, like time. energy never dissipates, makes sense that consciousness incorporates energy. my life feels more like a choice than an accident
 
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