Help me understand atheism

My path to atheism was pretty short. Earliest heretical thought I can recall was essentially:

Just not existing (after death) would be too cruel for "God" to exist. So he doesn't. (I have never, at any point I recall, believed in heaven. Not sure why)

Just thinking about it now, does the bible ever condemn lesbians? I've seen the man lieth with mankind thing repeatedly but...

Of course, I have many other beliefs to make up for no god. I don't believe that morality exists (that things are 'right' or 'wrong'), though that may just be for me. But then again, I also believe, quite strongly, in chaos. So in that way anything did, does, or will exist given a time-duration of infinity, at some point in space, for some fraction of time.
 
I can't be arsed to read the thread, so:

Azner said:
Then what happens after death D:
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Nothing. Belief in religion X or religion Y doesn't change that fact. Being Christian doesn't mean you'll go to heaven, it just means you believe you'll go to heaven. And then you die and you sit in a coffin in the ground, just like everyone else of every other religion.
 
Coffins ftl. I'm either going to creatively kill myself and hide the body to entertain the cops, or just get cremated.

Really, coffins/burials are just stupidly expensive and overdone.
 
No way, have you seen that haircut of hers and those sweaters she wears? If Alyx said go, she'd do it.
 
Darkside55 said:
No way, have you seen that haircut of hers and those sweaters she wears? If Alyx said go, she'd do it.
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Umm... what do sweaters have to do with lesbians, condeming and the afterlife?
 
That just proves my point. Mossman's a lesbian. Condemned as such.
 
Just curious~

How do Atheists believe the universe was created?
 
Big Bang.

And anything further than that we just don't understand. It's a whole which you chose to fill with "God".

Don't say "that's a cop out" because I'll say "God's a cop out".
 
You mean by a creator? My guess there will be less hands shown than needed for one person to masturbate.
 
Varies from person to person. Atheists don't share core beliefs aside from, "There is no god." Me personally?

To quote the demoman: "Ka-BOOM!"
 
Druckles said:
Big Bang.

And anything further than that we just don't understand. It's a whole which you chose to fill with "God".

Don't say "that's a cop out" because I'll say "God's a cop out".
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Yeah thats what i thought. But that is one of mans greatest questions. if the Big Bang created the Universe, then what set forth the Big Bang?

But, there are no answers to it and we will all find out one day.
 
OTCEscape said:
Yeah thats what i thought. But that is one of mans greatest questions. if the Big Bang created the Universe, then what set forth the Big Bang?

But, there are no answers to it and we will all find out one day.
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No we won't. That's the thing. That's why I believe God was "invented".

(Double quotes so I don't offend anyone).
 
Stigmata said:
They believe whatever they want to believe about that.

Atheism is NOT a religion, people. Come on.
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It is. It just has less rules. It's like saying "what do christians think about abortion". They'll all give different answers.
 
Druckles said:
It is. It just has less rules. It's like saying "what do christians think about abortion". They'll all give different answers.
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It has ONE rule: You can't believe in a higher power. If one rule can be a religion, then anything can be a religion. Math could be a religion, it has tons of rules. The 100m sprint has a bunch of rules too; is the Olympic 100m sprint a religion?
 
Stigmata said:
It has ONE rule: You can't believe in a higher power. If one rule can be a religion, then anything can be a religion. Math could be a religion, it has tons of rules. The 100m sprint has a bunch of rules too; is the Olympic 100m sprint a religion?
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It's not a rule. I was using the wrong terminology, and you're just being picky. You don't believe in Maths, you know it, through logic.

You have to chose to be an Atheist.
 
What if there was a book called the baibol, and it said that 1+1=3, would you see regular maths as a religious belief?
 
Druckles said:
It's not a rule. I was using the wrong terminology, and you're just being picky. You don't believe in Maths, you know it, through logic.

You have to chose to be an Atheist.
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I "chose" to be an Atheist in exactly the same way I "chose" to know mathematics. After being shown a lot of conclusive evidence, and giving a lot of 6-year-old thought to the issue, I came to the conclusion that "1+1=2" is correct. After giving a lot of thought to the issue, I came to the conclusion that, through logic, Atheism is the most correct viewpoint. I decided that I didn't believe in God. Then I discovered that the word for this is "atheism".
 
The Brick said:
What if there was a book called the baibol, and it said that 1+1=3, would you see regular maths as a religious belief?
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No. And I wouldn't think that "believing" in the baibol was a belief. It's just defined new numbers etc.
 
Then what about instead of saying "magic man done it!", just admit that you just don't know?
 
As long as youre not one of those extremists that thinks 'God just went click', i guess anything is..'possible'.

Im an aetheist myself.

I dont deny that jesus lived. I dont deny that people have the right and need to believe in something. A higher purpose, whatever.

When people talk about God as if hes around us and watching etc etc, thats when i just say 'stfu' to be honest..meh i dunno.
 
Druckles said:
It is. It just has less rules. It's like saying "what do christians think about abortion". They'll all give different answers.
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"If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby."

"Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." - Don Hirschberg

Seriously, why do people hold religion so highly to the point that the people who DONT follow such a religion are automatically assumed to hold another irrational, opposite, belief as well? It's like saying how I don't believe in faeries, I'm a follower of the afaeriest who believe there are no faeries! No, I simply don't believe in faeries. Fucking period.

Read this article from Sam Harris about that subject and the following quote applies especially to my post:
I think that 'atheist' is a term that we do not need, in the same way that we don't need a word for someone who rejects astrology. We simply do not call people 'non-astrologers.' All we need are words like 'reason' and 'evidence' and 'common sense' and 'bullshit' to put astrologers in their place, and so it could be with religion.
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The fact is. When you've been indoctrinated into a childhood where you're superstitious and assume that there must be some form of God looking down on you, not believing in him because a relgion.
 
Wait, wut? Was that a response to me? If so, what is it supposed to mean?
 
But the alternative that you go on existing in some form after death is ludicrous. It's people wanting a "happy ending," instead of just an "ending."
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It might not be ludicrous -- unfortunately the only way to tell is to just die.

And I'm not going to win that race.
 
Well, you see Atheism isn't really rational at all. We don't even understand how our self-consciousness works (if you cite some shit about electrical impulses or whatever in the brain then I'm telling you right now: no. That's just how it works physically) and people are already making assumptions about what happens to it after death. Also, logically we are a special species are we not? We mysteriously gained self-awareness while nothing else has, we have no proof that there are others with the same awareness as us (although it's mathematically probable, or at least we think it is because we really don't know the mathematical probabilities of creatures gaining self-awareness), and that logically must mean that we have some kind of a special aim, in fact, this way of thinking is natural in human beings in that it is almost instinctual, and instincts, logically, are evolved to help animals survive, to give them purpose. I'm not saying that believing in god is logical either though, because we really don't know much about it. And that's about all there is to it, we just don't have enough to work with, and that's why there are debates about it. If it were such a sure thing this shit would be over. Simple.
 
I don't see how the fact that we are the only sentient creatures necessarily applies some transcendent purpose to cosnciousness.

OP: I already made this post which relates quite well to this thread.

Anyway...heaven? I wish. I don't expect.

Most people at a very young age, almost without realising it, stumble on the inherent problems in religious thought. Mum - if we get a soul when we're born, and when we die our soul goes to heaven, where do all the souls come from? Is there room in heaven for all the souls? Are souls today less dense than souls a hundred years ago because there are more of them? How come bad people have to go to hell? Do they ever get out? Doesn't eternal bliss get boring? What do you do in heaven? What does a soul look like? Have you ever seen heaven? What happens when we die? Mum?

Realising what the answer to that last question might be - we die, the end - was the single most horrible and scary thought I've had in my life. It's not pleasant.
 
You know, you don't seem to realize that all you're doing is criticizing religion. Those are all things that THE PEOPLE YOU ARE AGAINST SAY / THINK / DO. Has nothing to do with the question of an existence of god. Really, **** RELIGION, FORGET IT, DISAGREEING WITH RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS != PROOF OF NON-EXISTENCE OF GOD.

And,

I don't see how the fact that we are the only sentient creatures necessarily applies some transcendent purpose to cosnciousness.
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Well, it's the only logical explanation isn't it? It wouldn't make sense if we were special but had no reason for it, would it? I'm not saying we do, I'm just trying to show that the whole "logical" bs of Atheism is really just hypocracy, because we don't really have enough knowledge to make assumptions of logic.
 
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