Hl2 Might Be Merged With Hl2central!!

What are your views on the merger?

  • Yes go for it.

    Votes: 13 21.3%

  • No. We're fine as we are.

    Votes: 36 59.0%

  • I don't know enough about it.

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • Total voters
    61
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Chewcky said:
I also urge you to dispose of this illogical post. This will not change that much with the merger, the forums will remain in the exact same state as they are now with only added members from our forums. We will however be providing site content that will be truly better than what hl2.net can offer, hence the merger and no onions, i believe you are currently all talk right now because you fear to lose your job, as do many of the other 'staff'. Believe me i dont want ot cause any trouble but your comments are out of hand, please be professional.
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Chewcky, stops pretending like your staff here already, your just a user.

The merger is still on the drawing board but both YOUR and OUR users are voting against it.. Whatever the staff of either site think, its the users who matter and should be listened to. They don't want a merger, so we shouldn't force them into one.

Your behavior especially in the IRC channel is nothing but pathetic.. I don't know what the other HL2Central staff are thinking but they must be ashamed of you right now, your given all of them a bad name, and I imagine they don't deserve that, they have their own minds and thoughts on this subject so stop speaking on their behalf. And quit threatening people.

Oh and not to mention details of this suggested merger was supposed to remain private until the staff on both sites were clear on it, and you go and post a poll on your site before any decisions were made, causing all this trouble and confusion.. Honestly, the way your acting its like your desperate to merge with us. Your making HL2Central sound like its in dire need of help. You actually sound scared. ;(
 
"This will not become a flaming thread, we arent going anywhere, deal with it" You're not in charge of anything yet. Going back to your 10 year old friends at noobcentral seems like the best option for you right now.
 
The views expressed in that thread don't reflect how all hl2c forum members feel. Much less the staff or the actual owners.

Six Three: How can you say that you are any better when you flame us yourself without proper reason, and generalizing on our intelligence?
 
elrond mate, if this does happen, and i do get fired, i will lead the rebellion :D
but i dunno about owp :p
 
Wow, all i can say to what this thread has become. Onions maybe you should have showed how you told everyone in IRC to vote no, and Fenric, why are we trying to insult each other here we need to stop this now. It wasnt me who made the decision to start the poll, i only posted it. We all admit its most likely to put a poll out here without more to tell you guys at the moment, we are sorry for that but we need to make sure this doesnt turn into a flame war. We dont want to completely change things around but you have to understand we want what is best for the community. Im sorry if i may have been unprofessional but Onions comments in IRC would make anyone mad.

one last thing * onions has joined #hl2c
<onions> omg wheres all your users?
<onions> oh wait, your planning on stealing ours
* onions has left #hl2c
professional?
 
"Onions maybe you should have showed how you told everyone in IRC to vote no" I did no such thing, I simply offered a free cookie if they did.

As for the latter, well, its true! And your "professional?" argument is nullified by your foolishness in even contemplating that anyone in their right mind would choose to merge with the likes of you, backed up by your threats to "fire" me. Oh, and ban me from #halflife2, in which i now have master permissions.
 
Ooook...I thought Chewcky had been joking, but whatever. Do we have any definite advantages to combining the sites?
 
Wait, sorry chewcky, i forgot you couldnt care less about the staff. Just persuade the guy in charge, then the power will be yours.
 
Pendragon has stated everything perfectly. This is just a first general opinion of the community without knowing anything, once you guys know more information i believe you guys will be quite excited for the merger. Can we please end the flamefest and start coming up with some actual opinions of the community.
 
Looking over HL2Central's forums, they all seem rather negative toward HL2.net for no real reason.

Anyhow, merger = bad. I get a bad vibe from the HL2Central people, adding to what Chewcky has been saying. I can say that if a merger happens, I'll be visiting these boards alot less.

Edit: Just read Pendragon's post, I guess I could warm up to the idea, but I still dislike it :(
 
Shuzer, I can assure you that this stems only from not actually knowing alot about you, that and your sheer size. Most of us are nice, once you get to know us.
 
Onions this isn't a thread about you and chewcky so if you want to maintain your professionalism I would stop now.

At first I wasn't too impressed about about a possible merger (I'm a mod and a very frequent poster at HL2C) but then I thought about all the possible benefits that could come from it. When you think about it what are the negatives? Your site is going to stay the same your going to get more content and your going to get more Hardcore HL fans to share your experiences with.

I think you should think this through and not take into consideration that a mod at this site a personal issues with a staff member at the others...
 
Coy0te, dont tell me what to do. I'm voicing my opinions.
 
An extract from :-

http://forums.hl2central.net/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2146&st=15#entry32324


'I think it's a good idea. We'll have a much broader group and you'll meet alot more people. I'm for it, you'll still keep your postcounts and rankings, and we'll still have our own forums. There is nothing wrong with growth, plus we'll all enjoy the "First Annual 2004 DvS Bannation!" I case you never been to their forums they're alot of bannable asshats there, we will reign supreme!! '

DJShamrock, site staff HL2c

We inherit the site, we inherit the staff as well?
 
DvS said:
Shuzer, I can assure you that this stems only from not actually knowing alot about you, that and your sheer size. Most of us are nice, once you get to know us.
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Mmmkay, I dunno, I guess this thread is no better than the one posted at HL2Central, they both are rather shakey.

Anyhow, I still don't like Chewcky's attitude, half "professional," half hypocrite.
 
Chewcky said:
Wow, all i can say to what this thread has become. Onions maybe you should have showed how you told everyone in IRC to vote no, and Fenric, why are we trying to insult each other here we need to stop this now. It wasnt me who made the decision to start the poll, i only posted it. We all admit its most likely to put a poll out here without more to tell you guys at the moment, we are sorry for that but we need to make sure this doesnt turn into a flame war. We dont want to completely change things around but you have to understand we want what is best for the community. Im sorry if i may have been unprofessional but Onions comments in IRC would make anyone mad.

one last thing * onions has joined #hl2c
<onions> omg wheres all your users?
<onions> oh wait, your planning on stealing ours
* onions has left #hl2c
professional?
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Chewcky I'm not insulting you I'm TELLING you to behave.. If I posted on your site you would expect me to follow your rules, I ask you do the same here.

As for this talk of who's being professional and who isn't.. Must we really turn it into a quoting contest? Do you really want me to drag up the times you've pretending your from Valve, or when you've gone out of your way to insult staff and members alike. Or when you've gone out of your way on numerous occassions to threaten staff.. If Onions is bothering you, put him on ignore or just don't respond in kind. Or are you unable to rise above it?

Honestly your behavior and desperation to merge should fill users of both sites with a great sense of dread. Nothing good will come of this, those who have voted know this.. I have nothing personal against HL2Central or its staff or its members, I look past some of their comments as some of our members comments have been just the same. I post here simply because I prefer to post here and thats the only reason. I will walk as will others if this merger takes place. So your comment that we're scared of being fired is laughable, we'd rather jump than go down with a sinking ship brought on by a merger.

The fact is it would be bad for both sites. The internal arguments and problems that will arise from a merger - the members of both will be the ones who suffer from it.. Right now both sites are working fine, they both have loyal regular members who chose which site they wished to join. Your wanting to take away that choice and force them to stay with one site or the few smaller unproductive sites out there.. Thats not the kind of attitude we want to get across here. It might be how you want to run things but we believe in being fair and listening to our members. Sure we're harsh when we need to be, but not one member here can say he or she has been treated unfairly or without just cause.

As I understand it the other staff at HL2Central care about their users and not power mad like you appear to be.. Your simply coming across as someone who has lost respect and is desperate to claw back whatever he can with those who perhaps are not aware of your behavior elsewhere.

I'm beginning to wonder if many at HL2Central agree with a merger. Their not dumb people, they know what would be lost, and for what. For you to try rise up into some administration position so you can threaten more people? How many of your own staff will you drop in a second to further your own ranking and get more people you can control.. Hell your not even staff here and already your acting like you control them all, telling people who will be cut and who will stay. You show no loyalty on IRC or the forums to anyone but yourself.

Frankly I don't think you should be trusted one bit. You want this merger to happen far too much, you dropped this on the community before anyone could decide how best to go about it.
 
Kadayi Polokov said:
An extract from :-

http://forums.hl2central.net/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2146&st=15#entry32324


'I think it's a good idea. We'll have a much broader group and you'll meet alot more people. I'm for it, you'll still keep your postcounts and rankings, and we'll still have our own forums. There is nothing wrong with growth, plus we'll all enjoy the "First Annual 2004 DvS Bannation!" I case you never been to their forums they're alot of bannable asshats there, we will reign supreme!! '

DJShamrock, site staff HL2c

We inherit the site, we inherit the staff as well?
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DJShamrock is site staff, site staff have moderative powers as a secondary priviledge, they are required to contribute other things to the site, as such, he wasn't hired to be a moderator.

That being said, he was very likely just joking, and as I said before probably doesn't know any of you. Being afraid of what you don't know is a bit childish.

That particular post wasn't intended to be broadcasted over the hl2.net forums, and as such most hl2c members know when he's joking and when he's not.

-DvS, HL2C Forums Administrator.
 
Can i ask a question? No, that wasn't the question silly!

Why merge? Is it really so hard to type in one address for main news and one address for mod news (these are examples as people have used these as arguments for the merger)?
 
Yeah, I was totally kidding. I'm the resident jokster, and I was kind of poking fun at DvS more than anything. He runs a tight ship, and he's warned me on more than one occasion. I was reffering to asshats in some posts I've read, I haven't read tons of them so I was totally exagerating and I am sorry if I pissed anybody off. My appologies guys, we at HL2C have a great forum and a great group of admins, and I saw onions saying we're all kids, well not true, I'm 33 btw. I was kidding with the guys when I posted that, cause we know DvS can be a badass, but he's fair and one of the most talented guys I know.

Peace,
DJ Shamrock
 
In hindsight this vote should never of been posted. We don't have the details to give to the community yet and all we have achieved is turning a few people against each other and confusing the hell out of everyone.

The purpose of these votes are to get your views, not to force you to agree this is the best thing for the community which is of course what our sites are all about. Please do that but keep your comments civil :) I don't want to hear your rants about certain members or forums. If you really have a real problem with them take it up with the admin or user in question.

Chewcky, Onions, if you want to moan at each other and act like children then please do it in private. At the moment these sort of comments from the both of you really aren't helping.
 
I think HL2.net and HL2C should be affiliated in a way, but not totally merged, if that will make everyone happy..
 
I think this poll should be disregarded until Munro gives us all the final details of the potential merge, at which point we will start an official one.
 
Well, you guys here will have the same exact site but with more members, we over at HL2C will lose our forums but gain a whole bunch of new friends too. I think that's a fair trade for us at HL2C. The members at HL2C are the ones who are going to be most effected by the change reguardless. BTW this is my humble opinion guys not HL2C's.
 
im against it simply because this forum doesnt allow for pictureposting, it just makes small links u have to push, and that suxs.
 
Haha, I really don't think this is necessary. If HalfLife2.Net needs more mod focus, why can't one just be created? Why take one from another site? Anyway, it sounds like it'd be more like a 'buy-out' situation with just the mod strength of central being incorporated. If it does happen though, I really don't think I'd want this Chewcky(and Co.) guy helping to run the show...
 
from what iv seen, i agree... besides i like the website as it is right now, with the members it has right now. If the merger does happen, then ill just have to read HL2 news from Fragmaster's planethalflife.com :(
 
Striker said:
from what iv seen, i agree... besides i like the website as it is right now, with the members it has right now. If the merger does happen, then ill just have to read HL2 news from Fragmaster's planethalflife.com :(
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Agreed, I'm mainly a lurker here, but if this group of arse monkeys takes control, I won't even do that.
 
Everyone, especialy chewcky, I'm sorry for flaming Central. I shouldnt have said anything about their 440's or their 400's. I think that this post should be deleted, and that the admins and mods of central and hl2net should sit down and talk. This was not a good way to bring this topic up. We have now gotten both communitys making rash prejudgement. The only thing I dont understand is (and I know many of our people have also been over to the central forums) why all the fuss about our lack of picture sigs and colours? The point of a forum is to discuss a topic, not to show off a repeat of our names in a bigger font...
 
The only thing I dont understand is (and I know many of our people have also been over to the central forums) why all the fuss about our lack of picture sigs and colours? The point of a forum is to discuss a topic, not to show off a repeat of our names in a bigger font...
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Coming from the Central forums I would have to say the only reason why there is any fuss over the lack of images on these forums is people don't like change, we are used to being able to be a bit more liberal with the images than you guys are. Other than that I think these forums are pretty good as I do a great deal of lurking here and I all goes well I'll be doing a lot more posting here as well.
Agreed, I'm mainly a lurker here, but if this group of arse monkeys takes control, I won't even do that.
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oh wow jeez Im sure HL2.net will be devastated to lose such a dedicated member :dozey:
 
I think both sites should remain separate and keep their unique attractions.
I do think some sort of collaboration between sites would be a very good addition to both.
HLC has a really good community with Mods and is a good site on a smaller base and HL2.net has a really large user base and some good news and a much wider variation in opinions/ideas.
I think if there was a way to link both that that would be ideal but meshing the two sites would be loosing some originality.
As it is, most people probably stick with one site or the other and would be missing out on what the other site has to offer.

Maybe if each site had a side bar that would display the Main news/most recent forum posts from the other site with links and maybe in addition to some other collaboration maybe in the form of events, that might appeal to most people better.
 
I don't like comments like this:
http://forums.hl2central.net/index.php?showtopic=2146&view=findpost&p=32359

Saying our community is rude is pretty stupid. Both communities have their share of "bad seeds," but, as long as people stay within our guidelines/rules, there's no problem. People can be rude if they see it fit, I've seen it plenty of times while browsing the HL2Cental boards today; it just has to be within the boundaries of what's acceptable and what's not.. furthermore, blasting a site for having people who don't type "properly" is pretty lame in itself. I'm sure I could browse any one of their topics and see loads of misspelled words and improperly structured sentences. I haven't seen any major misspellings in (our) news posts, either.

Also, I find it odd that someone who doesn't even visit these boards on a regular basis was able to see what none of us here have seen. I visit these boards daily, and I have yet to see us post "illegal screenshots," the policy here is very strict regarding that subject. I suppose a few have slipped, but once they were reported, they were dealt with.


Anyhow, I'm back to feeling as though HL2Central has rather biased views regarding HL2.net without proper reason. This is especially prominent seeing as how they're judging us without even knowing us.
 
I voted yes...but if a prick like chewcky is on the other end of the deal i say no.

Ive seen what this garbage can do to two communities first hand......

head on over to www.bf42.com and ask around....then go over to http://forums.acomba.de/index.php? and see what they have to say.... :(

let me put it simply


in the beggining there were two sites bf42.com and bfcentral.com

both happy...enjoying bf42 for the awsome game that it is.


the owner of bfc.com was in the service and shipping out...he had to sell the site.


...along came a prick named summit. ..long story short....he runs BFC into the ground pretty quickly.

he sets his sights on bf42.com wanting to merge the two sites..."to provide a better experiance for both communities" the owner of bf42.com for whatever reason agreed.beleiving he would still have power over certain things......he was lied to.
things went to hell real fast....the previous owner and staff of bf42.com left the site.....with the core members of the community. and they are now at the
acomba forums....

dont let it happen munro

i dont want to see the same shiit happen twice.


all the new content is not worth it.

bfcentral..... was alot like hl2central(could be owned by summit for all i know)....better news crappier forums....slightly better/cleaner looking site

bf42.com was alot like hl2.net.. awsome community.....large and active forums.


seriously...this is deja-vue :flame:
 
The first thing I would like to say, is that however you want to look at it, each site had predjudices and biases against the other, you can say what you want but it doesn't concern the sites, just the users and their own devices. It doesn't put me, Munro or our sites down, just you as users.

Now this indeed was conducted in a very bad way, a lot more could of been thought out before posting a public poll however there are certain members of the community which have been pushing for this merger, and it is not really something we can just rush into- as we've seen from the effects on this thread.

You have all for the most part been kept in the dark of what our plans were, how we would run things and more importantly what we've been discussing concerning you, the users and the community. I will now attempt to switch on a light and devulge this information. I will say now that this will probably never take place due to the reactions of staff and users alike.

Our initial idea was that HL2Central and HalfLife2.net would be merged together as one site. This was not an idea of mine but of Chewcky and Munro, who I will leave to explain that by themselves.
The merge would mean that our users would merge into your forums, and our posts would also be merged into your forum, following that the site and content would be added to HL2.net's systems, and our own systems for content delivery and community interaction would be implemented on HL2.net- As I said this was the initial idea but it developed further.

I wasn't happy about the fact that we would run under the HL2.net banner, If you havn't figured it out yet I founded and Co-Own HL2Central, I have put a lot of work into it and the last thing I would want to see is it being 'assimilated' by HL2.net so what then? We decided to create a new site.
The site wouldn't be HL2Central or Halflife2.net, although both URL's would take you to it. We would create a new name, and a new identity, combining all the good points from both communities to create what is best for our users. Somewhere you can go for mod news, halflife2 news and great community functionality. Imagine being able to submit your mod's latest work at the touch of a button, uploaded directly onto the server without any of the hassle of finding a host for your images or files.

That is in essence what we were thinking of last night, and so we decided that if we were going to do this, we would need the communities opinion, and thus we made this big mistake. It was late and we didn't think over what we would tell you- maybe if you had known the full extent of the combination and the fact that not one site is taking over the other, but we're collaborating to create a new site, you would have been more accepting.

As it stand's I have made my decision, there is going to be no merger and I am going to continue running my site the way I have been doing this last 7 or 8 months. There may be more collaboration between our sites, maybe working up to a point in the distant future when we would be more comfortable to become one site, but until our sites regard each other in a better light, no merger would be able to take place without a great cost to the community, and I for one am not going to risk either communitiy over personal gain or the pride of being part of the largest ever HL2 resource site. I care more about the communitiy.


Now I've said that, I would like to apologize for Chewcky. His behaviour is unacceptable and will be dealth with, I apologize for not joining this thread sooner but due to a technical hitch or a cross-ban I cannot access HL2.net's site from my own computer, so the only option I have is to type this from college.

Thanks for listening.

-EL3CTRO
Co-Owner of HL2Central.net
 
It's not so much that our communities hate each other I think .. you know how people overeact on the intraweb ... we're simply different and the poor way in which this was brought to the communities doomed it from the start.

As I said i n our staff forum the majority of the staff I beleive would not be against a merger but without knowing any details and suddenly shoving this decision upon both communities it was never going to be the best PR .. and it seems we both have staff who need a clip round the ear ;)

But the choice has been made .. and that's fair enough we both have good sites which can be made into fantastic sites .. and a bit of collaberation once in a while to get our communities a little less bitchy towards each I think is the way to go :)
 
The whole thing was handled terribly from start to finish. It should have been discussed privately between the two sites to see if it was even feasible before even mentioning anything to the public.

Obviously, having some staff members swaggering around, metaphorically measuring the place up for some new curtains and a repaint really didn't help.
 
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