HL2 too much like HL1

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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halflife2/preview_6096237.html

Is this annoying anyone else? The first page of this preview slates hl2 for having all of the original hl1 guns. perhaps we'd also prefer it if hl2 didn't have any of the hl1 enemies in it. Perhaps the whole game should be completely unrelated. Then they comment on the vehicles:

'As for the action sequence, it seemed reminiscent of the original Half-Life, with one exception: the drivable buggy. Then again, drivable vehicles are no longer anything new for a first-person shooter.'

yet all along they rate UT2k4 as an 'excellent high profile game'. UT retains all its bloody guns and the new v. is now considered 'excellent..high profile' because it's ADDED VEHICLES!

ok HL2 has most HL1 guns but we've also got the alien pheremones, the flare gun, the manipulator, possibility of striders being drivable, the buggy and i'll bet my life on it - at least 3 new alien weapons kept under wraps.

Cliché contradictory previews are an incredible frustration to the community. I'm not saying the gamespot article is worthless, just frustratingly underpar.
 
Ooh here we go, think i'm going to leave this forum again.
 
I found Gamespot preview disturbing, clearly they have no faith, or in words of Darth Vader "I fiund their lack of faith disturbing" :|
 
Biased rant. Watch them priase Halo 2 for being the newest and best thing--just wait for it. They will.

OMG HALO 2 JUST LIKE HALO 1?!?!?! Why is master chief still using a rifle and pistol and driving the warthog! BS!

It's just like HALO 1 except it has dual pistols and new vehicles! SO BS.

/laugh
 
Polykarbon said:
Biased rant. Watch them priase Halo 2 for being the newest and best thing--just wait for it. They will.

OMG HALO 2 JUST LIKE HALO 1?!?!?! Why is master chief still using a rifle and pistol and driving the warthog! BS!

It's just like HALO 1 except it has dual pistols and new vehicles! SO BS.

/laugh
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thats some funny sh*t :D
 
Yes, let us not buy HL2 because it may have same weapons as HL and it has a vehicle...which is not new to OTHER fps games. Yeah, let's forget all the nice physics and those Striders and The Combine and nw graphics and all those new things that overcome old things.

Ooh..I know! They should remove the crowbar, it's too unrealistic and too old. Stupid Gamespot...
 
Gamespot is saying stuff without it actually making sense.
'Every game has physics, so HL2 doesn't have special physics anymore, even not if other games use it just to do ragdolls.'

'We're brainless dicks so we expect a completely physically simulated car to drive like in BF1942 and if we crash, we blame it on the buggy.'

At least, that's what it looked like they were trying to say.

You could of course worry now, but 1 less positive short preview vs like 6 in depth previews in which expectations were exceeded doesn't give me much to worry to be honest. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

OT (to stick with the theme of HL2 looking like HL1): I don't mind HL2 being HL1 with lot's of added stuff, in fact, I WANT it to be that way.
HL had a perfect arsenal, varied, cool looking and every weapon had a purpose (later in the game you still used weapons like the glock and crowbar) so why change this? I don't want a game with a huge arsenal of 100 guns which are pretty much the same except for models and sounds, I want guns that are different from eachother. Like the MP5 and the gaussgun.

Another thing I'd like to see from HL1 is the cool combat between marines and aliens, but maybe now on a bigger scale.
Back in 2003, a magazine reported a scene where an antlion guard battled a combine APC and pushed it over a cliff. I wanna see that stuff throughout the game.
 
PvtRyan said:
Gamespot is saying stuff without it actually making sense.
'Every game has physics, so HL2 doesn't have special physics anymore, even not if other games use it just to do ragdolls.'

'We're brainless dicks so we expect a completely physically simulated car to drive like in BF1942 and if we crash, we blame it on the buggy.'

At least, that's what it looked like they were trying to say.

You could of course worry now, but 1 less positive short preview vs like 6 in depth previews in which expectations were exceeded doesn't give me much to worry to be honest. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

OT (to stick with the theme of HL2 looking like HL1): I don't mind HL2 being HL1 with lot's of added stuff, in fact, I WANT it to be that way.
HL had a perfect arsenal, varied, cool looking and every weapon had a purpose (later in the game you still used weapons like the glock and crowbar) so why change this? I don't want a game with a huge arsenal of 100 guns which are pretty much the same except for models and sounds, I want guns that are different from eachother. Like the MP5 and the gaussgun.

Another thing I'd like to see from HL1 is the cool combat between marines and aliens, but maybe now on a bigger scale.
Back in 2003, a magazine reported a scene where an antlion guard battled a combine APC and pushed it over a cliff. I wanna see that stuff throughout the game.
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omgz!!!!111!!!!wtf si teh g4me 0v teh y3ar but b3tt0r n00000s
 
jonnyapps said:
yet all along they rate UT2k4 as an 'excellent high profile game'. UT retains all its bloody guns and the new v. is now considered 'excellent..high profile' because it's ADDED VEHICLES!
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2K4 is an update, multiplayer, and has added a hell of a lot more than vehicles.
 
Varsity said:
2K4 is an update, multiplayer, and has added a hell of a lot more than vehicles.
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hl2 adds to hl1 and add a hell of a lot more than just vehicles and the same arsenal as its predecessor. I won't argue with the fact that ut2k4 is good.
 
Varsity said:
2K4 is an update, multiplayer, and has added a hell of a lot more than vehicles.
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And HL2 hasn't added a lot more than vehicles?

The point is not that there aren't good reasons to give UT2004 a good score it is that evolutionary additions in a sequel doesn't detract for one second from the prospect of us getting a truly excellent game.

Personally I think their ambivalence is just a show to appease this sense of being jaded about all the delay melodrama....FFS we haven't even seen a fraction of a 40+ hour game and they think it is HL1++ with vehicles? Talk about lame journalism aimed at the lowest common denominator...
 
Wolf said:
And HL2 hasn't added a lot more than vehicles? :confused:

The point is not that there aren't good reasons to give UT2004 a good score it is that evolutionary development in sequels doesn't negate the possibility of a truly excellent game. Personally I think their ambivalence is just a show to appease this sense of being jaded about all the delay melodrama.... We haven't even seen a fraction of a 40 hour game and they think it is HL1++ with vehicles?
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absolutely ---^
 
Beserker said:
Yes, let us not buy HL2 because it may have same weapons as HL and it has a vehicle...which is not new to OTHER fps games. Yeah, let's forget all the nice physics and those Striders and The Combine and nw graphics and all those new things that overcome old things.

Ooh..I know! They should remove the crowbar, it's too unrealistic and too old. Stupid Gamespot...
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LOL !

Good laugh.
Needed that.
 
jonnyapps said:
hl2 adds to hl1 and add a hell of a lot more than just vehicles and the same arsenal as its predecessor. I won't argue with the fact that ut2k4 is good.
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OK, I get you now.
 
What a coincedence, Gamespot doesn't come out and say "OMG HALF-LIFE 2 BEST GAME EVAR" and people think it's a bad article. I think it's the best of the HL2 previews yet, mainly because it doesn't put an unrealistic amount of praise on the game. Instead they give what seems to be honest impressions, rather than what Valve wanted them to say for letting them play. Gamespot is right about quite a few things in that article. Maybe not the weapons complaint like other's have mentioned but the stuff about other games doing alot of what HL2 has done since it's revealing etc. This isn't intended as a flame or something so don't go getting all negative on me.
 
Soundwave said:
What a coincedence, Gamespot doesn't come out and say "OMG HALF-LIFE 2 BEST GAME EVAR" and people think it's a bad article. I think it's the best of the HL2 previews yet, mainly because it doesn't put an unrealistic amount of praise on the game. Instead they give what seems to be honest impressions, rather than what Valve wanted them to say for letting them play. Gamespot is right about quite a few things in that article. Maybe not the weapons complaint like other's have mentioned but the stuff about other games doing alot of what HL2 has done since it's revealing etc. This isn't intended as a flame or something so don't go getting all negative on me.
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didn't take it as a flame. just your 2cents. My opinion though is that they attack hl2 on points which are fairly small or even irrelevant - like the fact they've kept the hl1 arsenal
 
Meh....alll the articles are the same but words such as "good"and "bad" are used instead of each other by different previewers. You just have to read what it is they are talking about.
Gamespot said they retain the same weapons. They may think its bad but thats irrelevant....We now know what a large part of the arsenal is
They didn't like the way the vehicles handled because of the physics? That tells us that the vehicles are integratted fully into the physics system

They all looked at the same game, you just have to remove their slant on it while you are reading.

Edit: Reading this article and every other articel you can find is the best when to learn about the game(at the moment), no matter what they rate it. Overall it gives a well balanced opinion...from what i've read that opinion is very high :)
 
Yeah I think that was rather minor, especially considering there are alot more weapons than what they were shown according to other sources. I kind of like all of the old Half-Life's arsenal as it is anyway, and that pistol has the best firing sound ever.
 
yeah great comment farrow. the spinning still annoys me though
 
Soundwave said:
Yeah I think that was rather minor, especially considering there are alot more weapons than what they were shown according to other sources. I kind of like all of the old Half-Life's arsenal as it is anyway, and that pistol has the best firing sound ever.
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Yeah...every time i hear that i get a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Could be a horrible fungus in my stomach or it may just be that the pistol sound is great.
 
That does not matter. Posting biased feedback is much like posting an opinion without any fact to garner it. As I said before, Gamespot WILL negate themself, and be highly hypocritical; when they do a E3 preview write up on Halo 2.

Disregard EVERYTHING they said about HL2 in regards to same weapons, physics system on the vehicles, and everything that is just biased nitpicking.
I would agree that this is gamespots spin, to write a jaded melodramatic article. If they say this about HL2, then they are also required to say this about everything else. Else' it is just editor spin on a game. Halo 2, NOLF 3, JK4, everything...

I don't hate gamespot, and I am not freaking out over this. This is something very very minor, but it does make me lose some respect for that specific writer of the article.

Just my opinion on it--
 
Well like you said, it was just one specific writer of that article, and said writer may not be contributing the E3 write-up of the game, so the opinions of the game at the moment and the opinions in the E3 write-up very well may differ. As for the spin, well I suppose that's possible, but maybe the guy really was slightly underwhelmed by it.
 
So long as we get videos, screenshots and quotes from valve....then i wouldn't be bothered if gamespot told us all to go and burn every copy of hl2 when it came out...unless of course people did actually attempt that.
 
Gamespot didnt say, "it sucks" or "dont buy it" they simply stated what impression their 15 min demo gave them.

they didnt romanticise the same footage like some other mags did (PcZone) and I for one am glad, this didnt add to my hype cogs at all... I cant even begin to count how many times I read a spiced up, literary piece on an upcoming game only to realize most of the action was in the author's head.

I dont know, Gamespot have always been fair and honest... its where I get most of my gaming news (I dont like IGN/or/Gamespy anymore)
E3 is close and we will be able to make up our own minds about it.
hopefuly we see the game soon.. just to get all this bullshit over.
 
Anyways, if it's like HL1, it means we're gonna have a great game!!! :D
 
I am fine with this preveiw. They basicly say the gameplay is intact. So I really dont see the problem....

Let's back up to the earlier sequence, though, which, as mentioned, was more remarkable. Like the first Half-Life, our demonstration of Half-Life 2 began on board a train--one with a couple of sullen passengers. Once the train stopped at the station, we found ourselves on the streets of City 17, the game's setting, which appears to be a near-future European town of some sort. And this otherwise quaint town is apparently in a state of martial law, at the hands of the mysterious gas-mask-wearing Combine forces. The Combine occupation of City 17, and the way in which their seeming leader, the white-haired administrator alluded to in the first Half-Life game, could be heard imploring the citizens into complacency over the airwaves, made this sequence reminiscent of some latter-day George Orwell's 1984--only with those gigantic, spindly strider creatures walking around in the distance.
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I mean that sounds GOOD. I like HL weapons and as for the buggy's drivability.

As a matter of fact, the implementation of the buggy rather reminded us of the buggy-driving sequences in this year's outstanding Far Cry.
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That sounds good too! I enjoyed Far Cry's buggy and jeep..
 
Oh no! I've read a spoiler. ;(

Like the first Half-Life, our demonstration of Half-Life 2 began on board a train--one with a couple of sullen passengers

Maybe it isn't one, but it could be the beginning of Half-Life 2.
 
From what i've saw, it does look a little similar and why shouldn't it? Half Life is set in a real world surrounding with real weapons for the most part, so why break something just to fix it as other people want. Im sure Valve looked accross countless board begging for a sequel and probably not one of them said no aliens, space combat, etc.

Half life is what Half life does, and it does it with style what ever incarnation its in style. Gamespot suck, it seems they get their info from a gormless paparazi who lives in peoples hair/cellar/toilet and pretends that he knows something just to try and prove he is not an insignificent idiot.
 
Shhhh,,,,
They will hear you,
forgive him mighty Gamespot

Seriously, i think the guy is just angry because he wants the game so bad...
 
chimpmunk said:
Shhhh,,,,
They will hear you,
forgive him mighty Gamespot

Seriously, i think the guy is just angry because he wants the game so bad...
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lol.. I bet hes crying cuz he wanted to play 30 mins like IGN did :LOL:
 
i always thought that valve'd start hl2 off in a train.
It makes so much sense. It's a typical technique: The first game was like this and we made you feel this. Now we're doing the second game exactly the same so you attach immediately, remember how good 1st experience was and then realise, comparatively, how much better (for example graphically) this new experience is.
 
They are more so just doing it to please the fans of the first game. It isn't so much of a wow technology has come far as much as it is just fanservice.
 
To much like HL1???? isnt that the point!!!

The whole article felt like he simply wants to see the full game (or at least more of it) I dont blame him feeling a bit pissed with a 15 minute playtest after a year of waiting, it didnt sound like he got to see much charecter interaction, (except for the intro sequence which he did seem impressed by) as for the combat sequence, it sounds fine to me, solid combat with deep immersive story elements.. (HALF-LIFE)

Anyway, the gamespy and IGN articles were more my thing :O
 
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