HL2 too much like HL1
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I can't say the author/editors were unfair, but the whole article annoyed me because of the tone. It was written as though HL2 was supposed to conform to a higher standard than any other game, and the editors were disappointed when everything wasn't absolutely mind-blowing. Emphasizing that "what little shooting we got to do didn't really seem that far out of the ordinary" is pretty freaking rediculous when comparing the game to UT2K4, Battlefield:V and Painkiller, all three games being the epitome of digging up last years games and slapping new graphics on them. Admittedly, all three are well executed and fun, but hearing Gamespot whine about lack of innovation in FPS gameplay while praising those games is just laughable.
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So, I guess everybody missed the part of Valve saying that they will keep most of the new weapons a secret, even from a press? Oh well, I just can't wait until this game comes out, and play it, I am tired of previews, movies, screenshots, etc. Want to judge for myself.
marksmanHL2 :)
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He just seems angry that he doesnt have the game yet. Which kinda reminds me of someone spoilt....
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yah too much like halflife1.
remember that level in halflife1 were you drived accross a cliff and picked up mines using a super gravity gun to destroy alien soldiers and burn down houses at the end of this cliff??
i remember that part.
remember that level in halflife1 were you drived accross a cliff and picked up mines using a super gravity gun to destroy alien soldiers and burn down houses at the end of this cliff??
i remember that part.
dscowboy said:
Actually don't expect good score from GameSpot if HL2 turns more like HL1, they regard innovation a must, especially with sequels, they gave Super Mario Sunshine 8.0 because although it was fantastic game it was way too similar to Super Mario 64 and didn't continue the innovation of Super Mario series, other websites like IGN or Gamespy gave Super Mario Sunshine very high scores > 9.5. Read their Half-Life review, it is the highest score they ever gave to any PC game, so HL2 must be greater not equal to Half-Life to please GSpot.
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I am sorry to say but for a new Mario game, 8.0 is pretty average, where all other mario games get near perfect score. For some ordinary series it might be a fantastic score, but for some high profile game it is not, it shows it is weakest of series.
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Naveed said:Actually don't expect good score from GameSpot if HL2 turns more like HL1, they regard innovation a must, especially with sequels, they gave Super Mario Sunshine 8.0 because although it was fantastic game it was way too similar to Super Mario 64 and didn't continue the innovation of Super Mario series, other websites like IGN or Gamespy gave Super Mario Sunshine very high scores > 9.5. Read their Half-Life review, it is the highest score they ever gave to any PC game, so HL2 must be greater not equal to Half-Life to please GSpot.
So why did UT2004 got a good score then? It's just a mix of UT and UT2003, with one new mode.
Mr.Reak said:
This is your opinion, read their review it outlines why they gave it such high score, and please remember UT2004 is a multiplayer game, Half-Life is a single palyer, whatever HL2 will do in multiplayer it will never be able to compete with UT2004 in that domain, HL2 strength lies in its single player, same as of Half-Life.
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Naveed said:
Hm..very true. Basically what you mean is an 8.0 would be considered a bad score for a game in a series that usually garner's 9.0 or above. Makes sense. I don't see Half-Life 2 scoring below a 9 though, even if it does end up being a rehash (not much chance of that happening however). Although, if it DOES get a score like that, I can already see the hundreds of "THIS IS BS LAMESPOT SUX!!!!" topics popping up in message boards all over.
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Guys, calm down i know what happened.
[SARCASM]When Spitcodfry visited Valve he stole a door pass + an ID card. He's been using it to get in and out for months now. He saw on Gabe's timetable sheet that all the magazines were coming to visit and so he thought it would be an ideal time to have his revenge on Gamespot - they ate all his goldfish when the staff team came round to his house for some tea and crumpets (long story, tell you about it some other time)
Anyway, he used his pass to get into Valve's offices on the magazine visit day, but he came in really early and set up a room in the building with a computer and some snacks. The Gamespot team were the first to arrive and so this worked to his advantage. The guy going to greet the team was taken out with Spitcodfry's blow pipe and the team thought he had narcolespy so they didn't do anything.
Spitcodfry ran downstairs and told the Gamespot team to come upstairs to the newly made testing room. They got in there and Spit cunningly put the HL disc into the machine while the Gamespot crew were deciding how many sausage rolls to eat.
So what they played was HL. That's the reason why they think it's not so impressive graphically and why the game seems to be the same as the original. It's because what they played was the original![/SARCASM]
It came to me in a dream.... :frog:
[SARCASM]When Spitcodfry visited Valve he stole a door pass + an ID card. He's been using it to get in and out for months now. He saw on Gabe's timetable sheet that all the magazines were coming to visit and so he thought it would be an ideal time to have his revenge on Gamespot - they ate all his goldfish when the staff team came round to his house for some tea and crumpets (long story, tell you about it some other time)
Anyway, he used his pass to get into Valve's offices on the magazine visit day, but he came in really early and set up a room in the building with a computer and some snacks. The Gamespot team were the first to arrive and so this worked to his advantage. The guy going to greet the team was taken out with Spitcodfry's blow pipe and the team thought he had narcolespy so they didn't do anything.
Spitcodfry ran downstairs and told the Gamespot team to come upstairs to the newly made testing room. They got in there and Spit cunningly put the HL disc into the machine while the Gamespot crew were deciding how many sausage rolls to eat.
So what they played was HL. That's the reason why they think it's not so impressive graphically and why the game seems to be the same as the original. It's because what they played was the original![/SARCASM]
It came to me in a dream.... :frog:
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Naveed said:
You can’t really read well, can you? :upstare:
I didn’t say Half-life 2 will compete with UT in terms of multiplayer or anything in that matter. I was wondering, why UT2004 got such high score and praise, being a complete rehash of UT and UT2003 (now, it still is a great game), with one new mode added. The same reviewer, GregK, now says that HL2 has a lot of things in common with HL, and he faults HL2 for that. I don’t like when people being hypocrites.
Yeah what about Max Payne 2 - which got a 9 despite being merely prettier AND shorter evolution? What about Far Cry getting a 9.1 - when it is a completely derivative FPS with no innovation at all? What about Vice City getting a 9.3? UT2004? etc etc etcMr.Reak said:
None of these games are even vaguely revolutionary compared to their predecessors and yet still GS managed to sing their praises pretty damn high. Naveed's argument doesn't hold up - if GS look for big innovation in sequels then it is bloody well inconsistent. As I said earlier it is just sour-grapes from the delay - pretty lame for an adult journalist.
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well considering the fact that greg k wasn't the guy who reviewed ut2k4 it isn't much of a hypocracy
and i love gamespot, since they've always been mean to games and pessimistic they have much higher standards, when gamespot gives a game a high score that means the game truly really does deserve one
and i love gamespot, since they've always been mean to games and pessimistic they have much higher standards, when gamespot gives a game a high score that means the game truly really does deserve one
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What are you talking about?...
The only weapons I have seen so far that were in hl1 and in hl2 is the gauss and the crowbar... What else would you put in half life 2 that wasn't in half life 1? Almost every fps has some form of shotgun, assault rifle or pistol. When you play half life 2, you will realize it's the same feel as if you were playing halflife 1 only with better graphics and physics, which is all it needs.
The only weapons I have seen so far that were in hl1 and in hl2 is the gauss and the crowbar... What else would you put in half life 2 that wasn't in half life 1? Almost every fps has some form of shotgun, assault rifle or pistol. When you play half life 2, you will realize it's the same feel as if you were playing halflife 1 only with better graphics and physics, which is all it needs.
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well i don't want it to be exactly like half life to the point where it's just a rehash, and i seriously doubt it will be b/c it's much longer than the original and the setting and physics are gonna play a pretty big toll
well...
far cry for one seemed to follow the half life formula without looseing steam towards the end
and vice city was actually a lot more different than people make it out to be
and i guess onslaught mode was just too fun for gamespot to give it a lower score
well...
far cry for one seemed to follow the half life formula without looseing steam towards the end
and vice city was actually a lot more different than people make it out to be
and i guess onslaught mode was just too fun for gamespot to give it a lower score
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The Gamespot article was great; the first not to feature stupid and sickening ass kissing. I'm glad professionals are starting to publicly point out how much impact the game has lost from the stellar games that have launched in the mean time and Valve's lies over the past year.
And, yes, Half-Life 2 being overly similar to the first one is a problem. I don't want to play Half-Life all over again with prettier graphics. I want a different experience.
And, yes, Half-Life 2 being overly similar to the first one is a problem. I don't want to play Half-Life all over again with prettier graphics. I want a different experience.
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totally agree, people here should stop thinking that hl2 is gonna be good no matter what, that's what ign and gamespy are doing, that goes to show that unlike gamespot they won't just give it to you straight, they may very well no tell you all the downfalls and be biasely for the game no matter what, that's why i like gamespot's higher expectations
Yeah, I kind of agree seeing as they were one of the few 'big' commericial sites to give DX:IW a vaguely honest review, but they're hardly the best IMO. I like Avault, FiringSquad, and 1Up better - they are even more candid than Gamespot. PC Gamer is pretty good also...Sai said:
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I would agree with you except for the fact that they only played the game for like 30 minutes, they complained about the weapons even though it has been stated before that all the new weapons are being kept secret. they complained that it was just like every other first-person shooter on the market even though they were really only able to play an extremelly small portion of the game.Iconoclast said:
Fact is they are just giving their opinions, and gamespy's opinion was that the game was good, meanwhile the opinion of gamespot seemed that the game wasn't much different from everything else out their.
This is a HL2 fansite if you havn't noticed. So when everyone here acts like HL2 will be the greatest game of all time it really shouldn't come as a shock. What do you expect us to do? Bitch, moan, and complain 24/7? Or support the game that we all want to get?
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Iconoclast said:
Iconoclast indeed
I however agree with you on this, that's why I like this review, and alot of Greg's in particular: no sugar-coating, just the straight information and impressions on the game.
As for the game being too similar to Half-Life, honestly I don't see that as much of a problem, and I definately don't see HL2 being a rehash as a possibility. For me, having Half-Life's core gameplay + vehicles + all the good stuff that comes with the Source engine is a damn fine game to me. I still play Half-Life deathmatch and plenty of it's mods so obviously the core gameplay is good enough to keep it's hooks in me. I won't mind even if it was just Half-Life with better graphics.
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That reviewer didn't seem too clever. Everyone else who played talked about the cool stuff they did with the physics and the Manipulator, and how they tried different playing styles. It sounds like this guy just ran around like a total goon shooting at people.
PatPwnt said:
I agree, can you imagine the outcry if HL2 didn't have a shotgun? These weapons do all the donkey work throughout games. You're not likely to waste the ammo of your sparkling fancy alien weapon to dispatch a headcrab or a zombie.
The weapons also look more realistic in Half Life 2. By that I mean from the screenshots of Stalker I've seen, and from playing Far Cry, the graphics may be great but the weapons are bland in comparison.
