Homeland Security proposes shock bracelets for all airplane passengers

toaster-chan said:
WELL IT'S THE TRUTH

Also "bot" implies a lack of sentience, which is pretty racist imo. I may be made out of metal and run on electricity, but that doesn't mean I can't love.

FURTHERMORE, WITH REGARD TO THE ACTUAL THREAD TOPIC: Saturos raises a good point. How old would a child have to be to wear one of these? How old would a person have to be before they were no longer required? Obviously, people with certain medical conditions would be exempt, but... it just seems too risky to me. What if someone had a medical condition that they weren't aware of? It all just seems too risky to me, tbh. You're on a plane with no access to emergency medical services, wearing a bracelet that could shock you unconscious. No matter how rare a malfunction may be, there's always a possibility. I never thought I'd see a resonance cascade, let alone create one.
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Then all the geezers will sieze the opportunity to take over the planes, and we'll be powerless to stop them!
 
Argh. You lose points for calling me what Stern calls me.
 
It's Vegeta, not Vageta. I don't know how people can misread that.

Anyway, I presented an argument to the general consensus of the thread's opinion, I'm waiting for someone to reply to it.
 
Vegeta897 said:
It's Vegeta, not Vageta. I don't know how people can misread that.

Anyway, I presented an argument to the general consensus of the thread's opinion, I'm waiting for someone to reply to it.
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Oh, sorry, I didn't even notice. I guess I just spelled it like I said it. As for your argument...
 
We have no idea how safe these things are, they could be perfectly safe and non-malfunctionable.

Would you rather get shocked or experience a plane hijacking?

I just think the general attitude of OH NOES THEY CAN HURT US is silly fearmongering. Police brutality ALREADY exists, just because they can now hurt you remotely doesn't make any real difference. They're not going to abuse it because they certainly don't want their asses sued off or any negative press in response.
 
Aside from malfunctions, better safe than blown up I always say.
 
I think most people are uncomfortable with the idea that they are wearing immobilizing devices controlled by they-don't-know-who and could go off they-don't-know-when. It's like living on top of an UXB.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, people in charge make mistakes much mor often than planes get hijacked.
 
Plane hijacking, plane hijacking, plane hijacking! Whooooo!...

Seriouslt though, if anything, I dislike this because it seems somewhat Orwellian, and yes, it is potentially risky.
 
Vegeta897 said:
We have no idea how safe these things are, they could be perfectly safe and non-malfunctionable.

Would you rather get shocked or experience a plane hijacking?
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What sort of question is that? The fact remains that if a hijacker hijacks your electric thing, he could highjack your electric thing and shock you with the hijacked electric thing.
 
But then he'd get shocked. Then whoever shocked him would get shocked. Then whoever shocked that guy would get shocked by the hijacker's mother,

Then tickle fights.
 
And there is at least one girl.

One hot girl.
 
I've had enough of these mother****ing tickle fights on this mothe****ing plane!
 
Popular.. with... girls?

Blasphemy! There are not enough girls on the internet for that to even be possible.
 
toaster and vegeta, up a tree, ess pee ay em em-eye-en-gee!
 
Operational said:
In the case of a hijacking I'd rather not have a device that can "completely immobilize" me on my wrist.
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This is true. Electroshock is not effective on everybody. Potentially even suicidal terrorists that otherwise might be trained to resist electroshock.
 
Saturos said:
This is true. Electroshock is not effective on everybody. Potentially even suicidal terrorists that otherwise might be trained to resist electroshock.
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Not sure, but I think he was more concerned about the fact that some ****er somewhere else could potentially immobilize any airline passanger anywhere. Even in the middle of a terorist attack. When they're trying to stop the terrorists.

Actually that was the first thing that sprang to mind, but whatever.
 
Shit Thread Has Been Highjacked
Thank God For These Electro Shock Bracelets That Were Used In Page 5 So We Are Back On Track.
 
The airline industry is already struggling. I'm doubting they're willing to risk something this radical.
 
Why don't they just gas everyone pre-flight so everyone is unconcious?
 
Shippi said:
I don't mind the idea, but I'm not convinced it'd do much good terrorist-wise. You'd think a determined terrorist would think to remove the shock bracelet or disable it. Anyone wanting to cause trouble on an aircraft isn't going to wear one of those for any longer than they need to which kinda defeats the point of them. It's a good idea in theory, but bad guys won't play by the rules and let themselves be shocked.

But a bracelet to store travel and passenger info isn't a bad idea. Tickets are a pain. And they're wasteful! And it if stops luggage being lost then that's great
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I always wonder if highjackers stand a chance after 9/11 anyway, unless they manage to have a significantly large percentage of highjackers on the plane in relation to the passengers. Or you know, guns / knives / bombs.

Not that you want to leave the safety of the aircraft, its passengers and potential targets on the ground up to civilians, but still.
 
Humans are luggage. That's why airliners want them to be tagged.

I'm against it sort of... but when you add on the whole shock value aspect... I am completely ****ing against it.

So what happens? How do they control who gets the shock? Is it up to the pilot handling yet another thing... is it the stewardesses? With everybody having a shock bracelet, if 8-9 guys rush out of their seats and rushes the stewardesses... what are the odds that the right people will go down? If people on the plane are the ones controlling the shock, how are they going to single out those 8-9 guys before they rush and incapacitate the stewardesses?

If those guys do manage that and gain control of whatever device that handles the shocking... there's no doubt they will attempt to incapacitate and even kill everybody on the plane using it irresponsibly if they can manage it.

If it's done by somebody off the plane at a remote station observing the plane through video cameras thousands of miles away, how do you ensure that anybody involved don't manage to quickly disable any cameras that might be used to pinpoint who is causing the problem(if you had some special camera system that visually tracks the number of the people moving around the plane).

Would you remove the air marshals off the plane because of this new thing, leaving the plane completely without the presence of an armed and trained individual who has a physical presence on the plane? If he remains, will he have his own shock bracelet? If not, what if he's one of those air marshals you see all the time in the movies who is part of an involved plot to hijack the plane?
 
KineticAesthetic said:
toaster and vegeta, up a tree, ess pee ay em em-eye-en-gee!
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that made me lol



raz brings up a good point, who's on the other end of the remote? there are fairly strict guidelines in place in plice use of tazers and they're abused all the time. Will drunken and rowdy get someone a paralysis inducing electrical shock on an airplane? what about panicy idiot #456? there's always some person who panics at the slightest hint of danger (TURBULANCE? WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE) What if that passenger has a medical condition? pacemaker + electrical shock = fried from the inside.
 
CptStern said:
raz brings up a good point, who's on the other end of the remote? there are fairly strict guidelines in place in plice use of tazers and they're abused all the time. Will drunken and rowdy get someone a paralysis inducing electrical shock on an airplane? what about panicy idiot #456? there's always some person who panics at the slightest hint of danger (TURBULANCE? WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE) What if that passenger has a medical condition? pacemaker + electrical shock = fried from the inside.
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I was thinking along the same lines. People are nervous enough when sitting on a plane or even getting ready to board a plane, having a shock device forced onto your body is only going to increase the anxiety.
 
Cormeh said:
I was thinking along the same lines. People are nervous enough when sitting on a plane or even getting ready to board a plane, having a shock device forced onto your body is only going to increase the anxiety.
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I've been cut off at the bar inflight ..a less reasonable person might get a little ticked off and demand more liquor or god help them he's going to ... you looking at me? I mays be drunk but it looks like the two of you are looking at me ..

also will they put bracelets on children? or only children who's parents might be terrorists/the wrong shade of brown ..will they have pink dora the explorer bracelets for the girls and blue Go Diego Go! bracelets for the boys? they can have dick tracy themed bracelets or Sex and the City (I'm always availble cuz I'm a whore, but one that wears prada not the knockoff shit") bracelets for the adults and bracelets featuring zebra stripes or skulls to appeal to angsty teens. perhaps they'll have tie ins with McDonalds or American Idol

"I'll trade you my Hillary Duff bracelet for your Billy Ray Cyrus' daughter' stupid teen tv show"
 
The former.

My points are always good. They're never neutral or evil.
 
throw in evil every now and then for balance


jesus/christians is my balancer out of things

and for no apparent reason here's jesus

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There is no way I am ever having one of those on me, even if I have to take a boat instead. It amazes me how some people accept this and just give up the freedom we have. We don't just have it, we haven't earned it - it came from the sweat and blood of our ancestors.
 
How about a band that just pumps sedatives or morphine or some shit into you? I'd prefer that for a 23 hour flight to convict island.
 
I will happly let big brother put a band on my son. Then, if big brother wants me to, I will shock my son - to death if he wishes becuase I love big brother that much.

/story of abraham
 
I come in here expecting an Onion video since this is in the lounge, and I find this cesspit...
 
I'm sure some kid in his basement could make a triggering mechanism for the shock bracelet in the matter of a day too.
 
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