How disappointing...

[McGooTheWise]

Not so disappointing now...

I just figured out that some of my best friends are stoners. I went to the local Homecoming and they went to the side of the park where no one was and started doing pot. Of course, I thought we were just walking around, then one of my friends pulled a pipe out of his pocket and lit it and started passing it around. By time I figured out what was going on there was a cloud of smoke in my face from my friend going "Hey dude, wanna try it?" I said no... One of my very best friends did pot and I didn't know it. So, I told them I was leaving then, and they tried to get me to smoke it...

You know, I thought it was alright until that happened. He tried to get me hooked even after I declined. That really disappointed me, because if he's like that, fine, but he was telling me he wasn't going to let me leave unless i was high, and for god's sake, I was driving my Mom's car.

Should I be disappointed? I think so... It's also been scientifically proven that pot kills brain cells, so to all you weirdos that think it opens up your mind and makes you smarter, less brain cells doesn't make you smarter. However, if pot GREW brain cells then I'd smoke the shit every damn chance I got, but, unfortunately, that's impossible. I just thought better of my friends, and they do this... This has been a really bad day anyway...

 

[Dog--]

Everything kills brain cells, who cares stop being such a pussy.

I'm not saying 'dude, you should do it!', but don't leave a friend because he tried to get you to do it, he likes it and wanted to share that with you.

Alcohol, cigarettes all this shit kills brain cells, yet it's always weed that gets the attention for it. Do you disown friends for smoking cigarettes or drinking? I hope not.

EDIT: For the record, I don't drink, smoke weed or cigarettes. I have been asked to do all 3 many times, but I just said no, people say it's fun (people on this board would probably pressure you into alcohol), and it awesome and all that, and I just keep saying 'no, I'm fine'.

 

[Jintor]

I would be dissapointed in my friends if they tried to make me smoke pot (one does, but he doesn't push it on me or anything).

 

[Absinthe]

You don't deserve your friends, you ****ing pussy.

 

[McGooTheWise]

Everything kills brain cells, who cares stop being such a pussy.

I'm not saying 'dude, you should do it!', but don't leave a friend because he tried to get you to do it, he likes it and wanted to share that with you.

Alcohol, cigarettes all this shit kills brain cells, yet it's always weed that gets the attention for it. Do you disown friends for smoking cigarettes or drinking? I hope not.

I do realize that these kill brain cells, and all these same friends do that, so maybe i should have expected that, but it caught me by surprise. I'm not going to stop being friends with him either, I'm not an ass, but I realize I have better friends out of this experience.

I was raised not to do drugs, and my parents did used to do them, and every time we talk about it they tell me how much they regretted it, and how much time they wasted getting drunk and high when they could have been doing something more productive. Sure, I do things like that now that waste my time, but at least I know that doing drugs could add to that. And, you are right, everything does kill brain cells, so why kill them off faster? It doesn't make sense to me. I guess the only thing I can compare it to is hitting yourself over the head with a brick. That's just the way I see it though. Sure, you may be stunned for a bit, but you just ****ing hit yourself over the head with a brick. (There's the bullshit comparison of the day)

I just don't see the point of doing drugs is all, and I thought better of my friends than to go for something so silly, but that's fine if that's who they are. I don't disown people for being themselves. Yet I was still disappointed by it. you can't call me a pussy for that.

 

[mikeecm]

Dr. Breen is also a toker. Look what that led him to do.

 

[Lucid]

Get over it.
I bet your parents smoked pot when they were your age... does that make them terrible human beings too?

Just because your friends are stoners doesn't make them any less human, even though the fact that he kept insisting you try it was sort of an asshole thing to do.

But then again, he was probably high when he was doing that so I wouldn't completely penalize him for it.
If they forced you to smoke, like threatened you... then I'd probably disassociate myself from them.

 

[Absinthe]

No, I totally can.

You think less of people for taking a recreational substance based on some bullshit Mom and Pop told you. Yeah, you're a classy guy. The only real objectionable thing in your story was that they wanted you to smoke it before driving, and that's distinct from the act of smoking marijuana itself. Then, of course, there's the whole "kills brain cells" thing, which is actually debatable if not outright bullshit.

If you don't want to smoke or do drugs, fine. But this is really just sad. "WAAAAH Mr. Clean Jeans is my only real friend in the world WAAAAH". Shut up.

 

[VirusType2]

You don't want anything to do with it?

If you want to make a point, never talk to them again. Then they will get the point. You either change them or lose your friends.

That doesn't really sound like fun to me though. I'd just be cool about it if I were you. It's not like he was trying to get you to smoke some crack or inject heroine while driving around.

 

[MJ12]

Well as long as they are not so consumed with pot to point where it affects everything they do, who cares.

I will say though, when you are hanging out with some friends who know that you don't smoke, when they get high while hanging out with you, it's incredibly rude.

It would be like, if all your friends were Star Trek fans, except you, and you go over to hang out and your friend is like "Wait, lets sit down and watch some Star Trek for an hour".

 

[Absinthe]

Well as long as they are not so consumed with pot to point where it affects everything they do, who cares.

I will say though, when you are hanging out with some friends who know that you don't smoke, when they get high while hanging out with you, it's incredibly rude.

It would be like, if all your friends were Star Trek fans, except you, and you go over to hang out and your friend is like "Wait, lets sit down and watch some Star Trek for an hour".

If they all want to smoke, why should they go out of their way for you if you're the exception? I know plenty of people who still head out to clubs or parties where everybody drinks, even if they don't. Likewise, I know people who don't have any problem when I and others step outside to get baked. They still get along, they still socialize, and they still have fun. That's not to say there isn't a time and place for it, but come on.

Maybe it's rude when you and your friends are thirteen and all you can handle after smoking a joint is passing out on the beanbag couch like a newbie.

 

[McGooTheWise]

No, I totally can.

You think less of people for taking a recreational substance based on some bullshit Mom and Pop told you. Yeah, you're a classy guy. The only real objectionable thing in your story was that they wanted you to smoke it before driving, and that's distinct from the act of smoking marijuana itself. Then, of course, there's the whole "kills brain cells" thing, which is actually debatable if not outright bullshit.

If you don't want to smoke or do drugs, fine. But this is really just sad. "WAAAAH Mr. Clean Jeans is my only real friend in the world WAAAAH". Shut up.

Alright, I get what you're saying, but I did say that I was fine until they tried to get me to smoke before driving. I wanted to leave because I've been around people that are high before, and it wasn't that fun. You get high? Fine. My friends do drugs? Fine, it's their body. Let them do with it what they want. I was a little hot headed when I made the thread though, so some thought chains in my head didn't connect right, and I should have been better than that.

And zombie, you are completely right. It wasn't really that thought out in my head, but I knew it'd be best if I left because I was sure that if I stayed there longer I'd be tempted to try it, and I didn't want that to happen. Really, when I think about it, I don't hold them in any lower regard than I did before then, and I over reacted to a 3 hour old memory. (I do that a lot. It messes with me sometimes... I'm already goofy enough without drugs.) I'm still a bit disappointed, but I'll get over it. I'm sure of that. I've known the guy too long to be pissed at him for trying to get me high while he's high.

And the difference is that we're 16.

 

[Vegeta897]

some bullshit Mom and Pop told you.

boy wat?

Two adults with life experience as well as experience actually doing pot themselves vs. what? You? His clueless friends?

Explain to me the logic behind calling his parents bullshitters?

I smell you just being some self-righteous punk who thinks he has the entire world figured out more than people with many years on you and the same experiences with the shit.

Your bias with the 'all adults and parents are lying shit-eaters' is just ridiculous. How about you wait until you're an adult with kids of your own before you say something like that?

 

[Bad^Hat]

If they all want to smoke, why should they go out of their way for you if you're the exception? I know plenty of people who still head out to clubs or parties where everybody drinks, even if they don't. Likewise, I know people who don't have any problem when I and others step outside to get baked. They still get along, they still socialize, and they still have fun. That's not to say there isn't a time and place for it, but come on.

Maybe it's rude when you and your friends are thirteen and all you can handle after smoking a joint is passing out on the beanbag couch like a newbie.

It's rude when he had no idea they were into that shit and they just bust it out and expect him to be cool with it. I've been put in a similar situation at least once and it's just ****ing awkward. I mean yeah, you get over it, you remain friends, life goes on. But it's still kind of a shitty thing to do.

 

[lefty]

Absinthe, are you some kind of asshole? VH is dissapointed in his friends because they turned out to be not what he expected, and then you go off on him. I had a friend, who for two years that I knew her didn't do any drugs, and then one day I see her and she's at school high. I was dissapointed. I also realized that, she has a pretty sucky life. Smoking might be a way for her to relax and get away from it for a little bit. I mean, it's still bullshit, but if it works... well, I don't want her to be unhappy.

Anyway, the point is this- There are ways to be entertained without having to alter your perception of what's going on around you. A lot of people realize that when they're older. How often do you see forty, fifty, sixty year olds going out on saturday getting pissed, throwing up in people's cars, or lighting up a bong in their friend's attic?

The thing is, that kind of lifestyle doesn't appeal to some people. Like how some people don't want to eat meat? Some people don't want to get high. That doesn't make them any less of a person. You know what you remind me of, Absinthe? You remind me of fundamentalist christians. Everybody else is wrong but me, and you're going to hell, and I'm gonna laugh at you from my cloud seat.

 

[Absinthe]

boy wat?

Two adults with life experience as well as experience actually doing pot themselves vs. what? You? His clueless friends?

Explain to me the logic behind calling his parents bullshitters?

His parents aren't the grand authority of knowledge in this universe. Not every adult looks back on their younger days with this kind of "Woe was I" attitude. You don't think you were productive enough back then? Blame yourself, not your ****ing weed.

Take their accounts into consideration. But, my God, their word isn't law.

But hey, maybe you can come over and parent me. I mean, if I hate parents and adults so much (what?), then I guess I'll totally respect you, right?

Absinthe, are you some kind of asshole?

Yeap. Your response is actually kind of predictable, and not surprisingly, completely off the mark. But thanks any way.

Also Badhat, maybe I read into zombie's post too much. It is assholish to drop something like that on a friend out of the blue. But if he was talking about the expectation of "Don't ever smoke in my presence", that's unreasonable.

 

[MJ12]

If they all want to smoke, why should they go out of their way for you if you're the exception? I know plenty of people who still head out to clubs or parties where everybody drinks, even if they don't. Likewise, I know people who don't have any problem when I and others step outside to get baked. They still get along, they still socialize, and they still have fun. That's not to say there isn't a time and place for it, but come on.

Maybe it's rude when you and your friends are thirteen and all you can handle after smoking a joint is passing out on the beanbag couch like a newbie.

Okay, lets say a non smoker and two other friends who smoke weed are hanging out. Yes, it's ****ing rude if the two smokers decide to get high while hanging out with the friend who doesn't.

Yeah, me and my thirteen year old friends. You got me dude.

 

[Dog--]

If you know someone who smokes pot, chances are they never told you, they busted it out first, I've had it happen to me, but I don't get all bent out of shape about it, it's more like 'oh I didn't know you smoked pot.. huh'. Then they get high and everything is fine.

BTW I don't know why you say being around high people sucks.. I find it pretty normal, atleast 10 of my friends get high before school or at lunch time, and they come to class high, it's not a big deal, they just spray deodorant on themselves, and you can't even tell, they can act completely normal if they want, or just go with it and act a bit wierd. Chances are if your friends are being retards while high it's because they want to (unless they got absolutely ****ed, my friends usually split a joint between like 3-6 people, so I doubt they are really high or anything).


Basically what I think: Get high if you want, you can offer, but I'll still say no..

 

[Vegeta897]

His parents aren't the grand authority of knowledge in this universe. Not every adult looks back on their younger days with this kind of "Woe was I" attitude. You don't think you were productive enough back then? Blame yourself, not your ****ing weed.

Take their accounts into consideration. But, my God, their word isn't law.

Hey now. That last line is certainly a different statement than calling their word 'bullshit', as you put it.

There's also such a thing as having respect for your parent's opinions. Those are values some people hold.

But back to the point, I'm not saying they're the ****ing ones who has it all figured out. Shit, nobody does. But I'd certainly trust a person who has experienced it and is done with it than a person who is currently experiencing it. I mean we're dealing with mind-altering drugs here...

 

[McGooTheWise]

His parents aren't the grand authority of knowledge in this universe. Not every adult looks back on their younger days with this kind of "Woe was I" attitude. You don't think you were productive enough back then? Blame yourself, not your ****ing weed.

Take their accounts into consideration. But, my God, their word isn't law.

Who said that? Am I bad for trusting in my own parent's judgment? Not only their judgment, but an entire state of Anti-Drug enforcement of schools where each school has it's own program to teach their students about drugs, not only the negatives, but the positives that many have. Most the time when everyone says something is bad for you, it turns out to be true.

Dog-- it helps a lot if you're used to that, which I am not. That's why it was weird and it freaked me out.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

Dr. Breen is also a toker. Look what that led him to do.

Yeah I know. That stupid cracker.

 

[Vegeta897]

Who said that? Am I bad for trusting in my own parent's judgment? Not only their judgment, but an entire state of Anti-Drug enforcement of schools where each school has it's own program to teach their students about drugs, not only the negatives, but the positives that many have. Most the time when everyone says something is bad for you, it turns out to be true.

I agree with you but you're getting into some serious shit bringing up the anti-drug organizations every pot smoker on the forums is going to be on your ass about how you're 'brainwashed' or something.

I think people who smoke pot just have this general bias against all adults or people of the law.

 

[McGooTheWise]

It's true though... And you're right also... I'd say something else about it, but the only thing i can think of atm is related to Anti-Drug organizations.

 

[Absinthe]

I think people who smoke pot just have this general bias against all adults or people of the law.

Because all pot smokers are rebellious teenagers.

I guess I just expect people to have thicker skins about this shit. Most people I know and met have exhibited such. It's not like you turn into a drooling idiot or some anti-social cretin when you're high. You laugh more. Oh, the god damn ****ing horror of it all. How will the straight edgers ever cope?

 

[McGooTheWise]

... Yeah... Pretty much.

Well, obviously that program failed on some of it's students, because my friends went through it too, but at the very least they can be informed about what they're doing. I know my friends... I think... But I know they're not the type to go cause problems. They get bitchy when I don't want to talk about booze with them, but that's it.

 

[lefty]

huh, I thought I knew ****-all.

 

[Absinthe]

Believe it or not, I'm actually trying to temper my responses. But you do know **** all.

Whoops.

 

[lefty]

And you still think you're better than everyone because you smoke weed. Which I find hard to understand, but there you go.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

Believe it or not, I'm actually trying to temper my responses. But you do know **** all.

Whoops.

Watch your ****ing temper. ****. I mean ****, you don't have to say **** to get your point across either.

 

[McGooTheWise]

It's a vicious circle. It will never end. :/

 

[Absinthe]

And you still think you're better than everyone because you smoke weed. Which I find hard to understand, but there you go.

See, I'd like you to point out, citing specific parts of my posts, how you've come to this conclusion.

I know people who are probably quantifiably better than myself who I respect and don't smoke weed. At the same time, these people don't get pissy and look down on my smoking habits or those of others. What should that tell you?

It may help if we're hanging out, but I mostly don't care about one's drug intake or lack thereof. The attitudes towards it, however, often say a lot about the person and how much they value the friendship.

 

[McGooTheWise]

That should tell him that your being an asshole lit a fire somewhere under his ass that motivated him to knock you down a few pegs. ^^

I also tempered my posts when you started arguing, because you made me feel like I was completely wrong. But I thank Vegie and lefty for stepping in and helping me remember that one asshole can make the whole world seem to hate you.

So, I still love you Absinthe... Even though you made me doubt myself in a way I haven't felt since the last time I spoke Anti-Dad (My father) about my problems.

 

[Absinthe]

Well... okay. I don't understand half of that, but it's good to know this is somehow therapeutic for you, or whatever.

I'm going to smoke and then blow out the rest of my dead, rotten brain cells.

 

[McGooTheWise]

You... Go do that. :|

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

That's the spirit! I'll have someone there shortly to collect the remains.

 

[Vegeta897]

I know people who are probably quantifiably better than myself who don't smoke weed. At the same time, these people don't get pissy and look down on my smoking habits or those of others. What should that tell you?

Says he's just an easy-going live and let live type of guy who can't really be arsed to give a ****. Doesn't really have anything to do with weed or anything else. Just his type.

Some people though, like me, speak up when he sees something he thinks is wrong. I'm not saying this to act all tough or strong or some shit, I wish I wasn't so easily bothered by these kinds of threads and can keep my head out of it to avoid the trouble, like I do with being ignorant to politics, but ahh.. I lost my train of thought.

I'm sorry for making some generalizations earlier, I've gotten over my anger incredibly fast here and I really don't give a shit anymore, you're probably right about a lot of what you're saying, I say the thread shouldn't exist in the first place because drama is drama no matter which side starts it, and it's never going to be resolved so it's best to just forget about it.

 

[Absinthe]

It's okay, because I'm drunk and possess a stunning lack of maturity. :thumbs:

My only point with that little anecdote was that I don't place myself on a pedestal above others just because I take mind-altering substances... Maybe for other reasons, but I digress. It's not like smoking dope gets you a freakin' Cool Card in my book or something. Although I probably don't construct my posts in a way that conveys that.

So instead you'll just get a boat load of shit from me, because that's frankly easier than actually trying to be articulate and sensitive. =\

 

[Vegeta897]

Hmm, I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't accuse you of that, in so many words.

It's more like, you're speaking out against non-smokers as a smoker yourself, about things that are very obvious that you would support, as a smoker. I'm having a hard time explaining this... It just kind of like, comes off as you putting yourself in a position to be able to fairly evaluate BOTH sides of the argument, which we can agree is not authority that could be granted to you. I think that's the jist of what I'd accuse you of doing in this thread.

But then, what makes a person able to make such judgements? I'd say someone like OP's parents who have been on both sides. Well, to be more accurate, one who has started it AND has stopped it on his or her own choice. Which means there's something that you may encounter later in your life Absinthe. Someone in this thread touched on this briefly. Something about realising that pot is not only unnecessary for having a good time, but that it's not worth that slight boost of enjoyment.

lol I'm rambling so much, I have no idea what the **** I'm saying. Props to anyone who can make any sense of what I'm blabbering about.

 

[McGooTheWise]

I'll say I can understand it for props.

What my reasoning behind it, earlier, was that if I am to have friends, I need them to be on the same level as I am when it comes to these things, but I realized that it's these neutralities that usually burn out relationships with people, so the fact that they do smoke pot may make them better friends to me, just because we can disagree in a friendly way and we can have something to talk about. (That's what I realized as this thread went on, anyways) so, you're right. The thread shouldn't exist, I overreacted to a small thing that I'm probably going to forget about in a week.

 

[VirusType2]

Van Halen, I experienced a similar situation in my life.

Lesson 1: (if they are really your friends, then try to be understanding)

My best friend from when I was 13 years old. We lived a few houses down. Grew up best ****ing friends for years and years.

When we were older, he got serious with a girl and we couldn't really hang out very much anymore, though we were still close friends. Eventually, we hung out even less.

When I was 17, I began to drink and smoke weed nearly every day, and not long after, it really was every day, all day. Most people didn't know I was high because I was always high, so they didn't see me acting any different.

Well, when I was about 23, my old best friend was going through a divorce with that serious girlfriend of his. I was there for him, and we hung out a couple times. It had been a long time since we hung out.

He found out I smoked weed, and he never called me back again. That was it.



Lesson 2: (driving while under the influence is not recommended - at least for legal reasons )

In 2002, I got pulled over 1/4 mile from my house and got a DUI marijuana which cost me thousands of dollars in legal fees and insurance bills, and I lost my license for a year or two, and had to pay extra for high risk insurance for quite a few years. That pissed me off, and I quit smoking weed. Now when I fill out job applications, I often have to list that.

For the record - About a year ago, I smoked about 2 dozen times within a month or two, then quit again. Too expensive and hard to get around here.



Lesson 3: (people have their reasons for using drugs)

Anyway, I lost my best friend because he was clueless about marijuana, and because I was using it. Self-medicating. I have Bi-Polar disorder. Marijuana helped me cope with depression, but it also had many negative things along with it, obviously.



Lesson 4: Friends change

Well, I don't smoke weed anymore, but I we still aren't friends any more.