How Iraqis Really Feel

seinfeldrules · Feb 17, 2005

Taken today from the Wall Street Journal:

Iraqi Shiites failed to reach consensus on picking Jaafari or Chalabi as premier and will hold a secret ballot, likely tomorrow. Insurgents put up a video of an Italian journalist pleading for her life. Four U.S. troops were killed, three in accidents. A crowd of Shiite worshippers spotted and beat a suspected suicide bomber to death.

I can almost feel the love for these 'freedom fighters'

kirovman · Feb 17, 2005

Hope it's true.

burner69 · Feb 17, 2005

Sorry to be a biatch, but I could just as easily put a thread up of the same title and tell a tale about an orphaned Iraqi who became a suicide bomber.

There are better ways, I think, of showing that many Iraqis like the coalition.

Either way, fair play to the guys. Although how was he suspected? And why didn't he blow himself up?

seinfeldrules · Feb 17, 2005

No idea. This was just a quick overview of Iraq that they show on the front cover everyday.

gh0st · Feb 17, 2005

burner69 said:
Sorry to be a biatch, but I could just as easily put a thread up of the same title and tell a tale about an orphaned Iraqi who became a suicide bomber.

There are better ways, I think, of showing that many Iraqis like the coalition.

Either way, fair play to the guys. Although how was he suspected? And why didn't he blow himself up?

I think seinfeld is making the point that a larger percent of Iraqis side on the coalitions side than the terrorists who daily attack them. And I cant imagine why. I can tell you though that what one iraqi extremist does, doesnt represent an entire nation of people, so your point is sort of invalid.

Razor · Feb 18, 2005

gh0st said:
I think seinfeld is making the point that a larger percent of Iraqis side on the coalitions side than the terrorists who daily attack them. And I cant imagine why. I can tell you though that what one iraqi extremist does, doesnt represent an entire nation of people, so your point is sort of invalid.

Yes, it is just unfortunate that the media only chooses to represent the extremists side, as it is more exciting and thrilling and is guarenteed to cause more of a reaction from the public.

Was the suspected suicide bomber that was beaten to death actually a suicide bomber or just someone who looked dodgy?

smwScott · Feb 18, 2005

Heh, seems more like a general instinct of not wanting to get blown up than a political statement.

Pesmerga · Feb 18, 2005

smwScott said:
Heh, seems more like a general instinct of not wanting to get blown up than a political statement.

I'd have to agree. It's amazing in the airports I take to travel to Belgium to visit my dad how people react to unordinary events. They drop attention of anything they are doing and focus on what is going on. I'm sure if someone tried to take off his shoe in the middle of the airport, at least a dozen strong men are going to beat the man to death. Better to be edgy than to be lax and dead.

burner69 · Feb 18, 2005

gh0st said:
I think seinfeld is making the point that a larger percent of Iraqis side on the coalitions side than the terrorists who daily attack them. And I cant imagine why. I can tell you though that what one iraqi extremist does, doesnt represent an entire nation of people, so your point is sort of invalid.

My point was, showing what one group of people does, does not necessarily represent a majority. I've heard of 70% Iraqi's voting that they liked the coalition - I was saying that would be a better way of expressing the general opinion rather than a single incident.

Kebean PFC · Feb 18, 2005

Why an Italian reporter though? Why her? Wierd.
The problem in Iraq is that we have our Army acting as police which is exactly THE OPPOSITE of how they are trained. A good example of this is the soldier who is being prosecuted for shooting the Iraqi on the ground AFTER HE WAS KNOW TO BE AN ENEMY! I would have done the same, the only safe target is a dead one. You guys wanna argue, go ahead, but you know if you saw a man (even assumed) to be the enemy alive and wounded, reaching under his coat, you would shoot him too. My friend and i were argueing about children (how they get killed in a warzone) and i brought up a point which i believe has relevance.

If there was the cutest 11 year old girl you have ever seen running at you, shouting in a language you didn't know, and clutching a grenade with the pin pulled, what would you do? Would you shoot her, and let the nade' go off, or would you let her take you out with her? War is hell, especially this kind of war, but when it happens it does, and prosecuting someone for caution is IMHO, stupid.

My $0.02

Sgt_Shellback · Feb 18, 2005

gh0st said:
I think seinfeld is making the point that a larger percent of Iraqis side on the coalitions side than the terrorists who daily attack them. And I cant imagine why. I can tell you though that what one iraqi extremist does, doesnt represent an entire nation of people, so your point is sort of invalid.

This is the thing that they just don't get. Or want to shut out. The people planting bombs in Iraq are not terrorists, or insurgents, and specially not freedom fighters. They're nothing more than criminals with no more rank than the violent crime commiters in Canada (Which there is a lot of).

Iraqis, by their vote, and by their actions want to see these idiots iradicated as much as any right minded individual.

KoreBolteR · Feb 18, 2005

wow the media actually posted something decent for a change. normally they are defending the terrorists, 'freedom fighters' my arse.

K e r b e r o s · Feb 18, 2005

Yea ... no kidding.

K e r b e r o s · Feb 18, 2005

Why an Italian reporter though? Why her?

Because, they'll take anyone. Even aforementioned Canadians ...

My point was, showing what one group of people does, does not necessarily represent a majority. I've heard of 70% Iraqi's voting that they liked the coalition - I was saying that would be a better way of expressing the general opinion rather than a single incident.

No, Ghost made a much more valuable point. Sorry, but he did. (No, thats right; im not sorry.)

Sprafa · Feb 18, 2005

seems to me they just didn't wanted to die, not that they love America.

KoreBolteR · Feb 18, 2005

they are even killing shia muslims now. any excuse to kill innocent people and spread fear in the heart of iraq. i dont know if we can ever beat these terrorists.

seinfeldrules · Feb 19, 2005

seems to me they just didn't wanted to die, not that they love America.

The point was that not all the action in Iraq is bad news involving some terrorist blowing himself up. There are plenty of Iraqis who are willing to fight for a free Iraq.

Sgt_Shellback · Feb 19, 2005

They can't stand the Bastards killing them... Cowards.. Criminals.. Devils... If there is such a thing,

Trying to turn this into an anit-american thing Sprafra? Go get a vest and fill it full of C-4. But don't be a coward and walk into the nearest bunch of civilians. Take it across a marine check point to get them Americans.

Seems to me they want to be free and need help. Seems to me Americans have done that and are determined to see it through for these people.

Seems to me from being there that they're grateful irregardless of what you arm chair anarchists want to believe.

Your opposition doesn't help the coalition, obviously, It doesn't help the Iraqi's... You're supporting terrorist who kill innocent civilians.

If you don't like this complain to the mods. I've only got one point left, I'm sure you can stifle my comments from your tender ears. But when you close your eyes to go to sleep tonight I hope you see the faces of those that you refuse to acknowledge need help to rid themsleves of killers and bullies.

Tr0n · Feb 19, 2005

OMGWTFBBQ!

We're commie anti-america arm chair anarchist because we don't support the war!

So that means we support terrorist and terrorism!

Kommie · Feb 19, 2005

I am so glad mr O'reilly has graced these forums with his presence

Because obviously if someone in America does not support the Government 100% of the time they are filthy commie leftist anarchist terrorists
Maybe if we pretend he is not here, and ignore him claiming that we are terrorists he will go away.

This is good news, It shows that support for the coalition efforts is increasing. and the freedom fighters are losing it.

Tr0n · Feb 19, 2005

Kommie said:
I am so glad mr O'reilly has graced these forums with his presence
Because obviously if someone in America does not support the Government 100% of the time they are filthy commie leftist anarchist terrorists
Maybe if we pretend he is not here, and ignore him claiming that we are terrorists he will go away.

This is good news, It shows that support for the coalition efforts is increasing. and the freedom fighters are losing it.

Hey...your nickname is Kommie...so you must be a anti-american commie!GET IT?HA HA HA... *cough*

Kommie · Feb 19, 2005

Tr0n said:
Hey...your nickname is Kommie...so you must be a anti-american commie!GET IT?HA HA HA... *cough*

Damn you found out my secret, I must now kill you.

CptStern · Feb 19, 2005

Sgt_Shellback said:
You're supporting terrorist who kill innocent civilians.

ahem, dont make me make you look like a hypocrite

Sgt_Shellback said:
If you don't like this complain to the mods. I've only got one point left, I'm sure you can stifle my comments from your tender ears.

well you only have yourself to be balme ..you probably should have kept your racist/abusive comments to yourself

on topic: I think much as in palestine, Iraqis will live with acts of terrorism (domestic or state-sponsored) for a very long time. No amount of foreign installed democracy will change that ..in fact one could argue that's the reason in the first place

K e r b e r o s · Feb 19, 2005

on topic: I think much as in palestine, Iraqis will live with acts of terrorism (domestic or state-sponsored) for a very long time. No amount of foreign installed democracy will change that ..in fact one could argue that's the reason in the first place

I disagree.

I win:

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Terrorism&word2=Democracy
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Kerberos&word2=CptStern
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=America&word2=Terrorism
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Israel&word2=Palestine

Although, you did win one Stern:

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Video+tapped+Beheading&word2=Photographed+Torture

But this one was'nt good:

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Kerberos's+logic&word2=CptStern's+logic

LOLOMFG

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