I Am So Pissed

[Lemonking]

I used to think Valve is a cool company
but last year hpw I heard that Valve said that HL2 doesnt perform good on Nvidia Cards I felt sad for most of my friends cuz most of em got an 5600 I wasnt worroed cuz I had a 9600pro
but 3 weeks ago that changed my dad bpught me a 6800OC from BFG.playing CSS and HL2 I had 40-60fps even in a action sequence
but now with my 330$ expnsive Card I get 60-70fps even on low settings except for Model and Tex Detail both are on high
My PC aint supa hardcore but I consider it as pretty fast4 2,4 OC
to 2,89ghz and 2gig of Kingston HyperX ram and a 180 gigs of space
now I ask u when I play Frar Cry I get 70-100fps on very high settings and I bet would get really good fps in Domm3 if I hadf it intstalled right now IS THAT FAIR?
btw I even unlocked these pipes everybody is talking about and yes I have the nu 66.7 Drivers ur thoughts? maybe u can even help me plz comment

PS as always If u dont like my spelling then FU

 

[Cypher19]

1) Take grade 3 English
2) In the case of the 6800OC, you could try researching video cards and their performance in your favourite games BEFORE buying them.
3) For the GeForce FX 5600's...well, let's just say your friends deserve every low framerate they get.

 

[Ren.182]

Wow, you're really nasty. He wants help, not to be insulted.

Sorry but i can't help on the matter, not really a big computer super techy person. Just know whats good and what aint.

 

[Lemonking]

1) Take grade 3 English
2) In the case of the 6800OC, you could try researching video cards and their performance in your favourite games BEFORE buying them.
3) For the GeForce FX 5600's...well, let's just say your friends deserve every low framerate they get.

1.let me gues a cool guy?
2.people with 5900 get better fps then me so there has to be a problem with the 6****
3.be glad that I dont know where u live If I would I would redocorate you're house. thx bye

Edited for racism/threats

 

[Cypher19]

How am I being nasty? I'm suggesting he should learn about the $300+ pieces of equipment he's buying BEFORE the purchase. It's well known that the FX series is crap in general, and also that nVidia cards just don't play Half Life 2 as well as ATi's cards.

 

[winnipegartist]

Edited out because it shouldnt be there

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Gotta love online tough guys!

 

[Lemonking]

How am I being nasty? I'm suggesting he should learn about the $300+ pieces of equipment he's buying BEFORE the purchase. It's well known that the FX series is crap in general, and also that nVidia cards just don't play Half Life 2 as well as ATi's cards.

6***is not a FX Card those FX cards are the 5*** dipshit

 

[KagePrototype]

How am I being nasty? I'm suggesting he should learn about the $300+ pieces of equipment he's buying BEFORE the purchase. It's well known that the FX series is crap in general, and also that nVidia cards just don't play Half Life 2 as well as ATi's cards.

1) Take grade 3 English

That, right there, is nasty.

 

[Cypher19]

the FX series is crap in general

Was in defense of #3 from my first post...

nVidia cards just don't play Half Life 2 as well as ATi's cards.

Was in defense of #2 from my first post...

:rolling:

 

[Ren.182]

Yes i agree, people should do research BEFORE buying stuff. But from what i read his dad brought it him. He probably just went into a shop and said, whats a good card.

But you don't need to go saying his friends deserve bad FPS, maybe they can't afford good cards. Or say he need English letter. His English isn't that bad for a foriegner (sp?).

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Calm it guys theres no point. No need in getting angry. I have an ati card so i cant offer much in the way of support, but there is something wrong here, you should get a better performance than that, with that card. Have you tried third party drivers or older versions? Perhaps your card is too hot and is not performing to its highest potential?

 

[Chascicco22]

Well I saved this little expert from a post a while ago, note that this is not my writing and I can't explain the details in it. But it should be helpful:

Basically, some guys on Guru3d figured out what Valve did to cripple nVidia cards.

First off, you need 3dAnalyze. I'm assuming everyone knows that you can force HL2 to run in DX9 mode on FX cards, right? Only, you get artifacts in the water and other areas?

Well, that's pretty easy to fix. Just have the 3dAnalyze util report your card as an ATI Radeon instead of a GeForce FX.

*taddah* All the artifacts go away, and you get true DX9 reflections!

Okay, but there IS a performance hit doing that. How to get around that?

Well, the funny thing is that Valve coded Half-Life 2 to use FP24 shaders all the time every time. And it's really not needed. Nope. In fact, FP16 seems to do the trick all the time - as seen in that above pic. FP16 and FP24 are indistinguishable in Half-Life 2.

Again, using 3dAnalyze you can test this. It is capable of forcing a card to use only FP16 shaders no matter what is requested. You'll see no image quality difference doing that - just a HUGE performance boost. Why? Well, because while FP16 is all that Half-Life 2 *needs*, if they let the GeForce FX cards do THAT, they might have been competitive! So, instead, they forced FP24 (unneeded), which caused the GF-FX cards to render the DX9 mode in FP32 all the time. With the obvious associated performance hit.

Try it yourself. The link to the article is here. Download 3dAnalyze, and follow these instructions:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Presi
Open it and follow the numbers:
1. select HL2.exe file in half-life 2 folder
2. select any file inside the folder half-life 2\bin
3. select Steam.exe
than check these options:
- Under the section Pixel and Vertex Shader: FORCE LOW PRECISION PIXEL SHADER
- Under the section Remove stuttering: PERFORMANCE MODE
- on the bottom left: FORCE HOOK.DLL

If you haven't change the file dxsupport.cfg with the method described in the beginnig of this thread, you can obtain the same result typing in the section DIRECTX DEVICE ID'S the ATI Vendor and Device ID, there are just two device though.
....
In the end 3D ANALYZE gives me an error, CREATEPROCESS FAILED, I launch HL2 anyway, the water looked awesome, awesome detail and I noticed a boost in performance too. I think around 20/30% which allowed me to play the WATER HAZARD level with this setting: 1024x768 everything max, water relection to ALL, 2xAA, 4xAnisotropic with a range of fps of 40 and >150.

Amazing, huh?

I havent tried this yet since my FX5950 runs HL2 great, much better than I thought it would. But I do have a 3,2 GHz Pentium 4, that that would help.

PS. Hope the quotation helps. It is for FX cards in general but VALVe supposdely screwed up all the Nvidia cards in comparison with ATIs. So it much help but dont flame me if it doesnt.

 

[Eunoch]

lemonking u dumbass open your eyes. the guy lives in Birmingham, England

go slit his throat lmao

p.s. ur pc is good, but u should think of getting a new processor. i get 40-90 (jumps a lot) fps on source and hl2 with medium settings and all i got is a 9800. make sure uve actually installed the card correctly.

nvidia is crap
go ati

 

[Ren.182]

No, i'm in Birmingham, not cypher.

Nvidia aren't crap. HL2 is just optimized for ATI, it's about the money, and ATI had the money.

 

[diluted]

Uh oh, he's gonna slit your throat for dissing his friend's shitty computers! Run!

 

[Lemonking]

Calm it guys theres no point. No need in getting angry. I have an ati card so i cant offer much in the way of support, but there is something wrong here, you should get a better performance than that, with that card. Have you tried third party drivers or older versions? Perhaps your card is too hot and is not performing to its highest potential?

60 celsius is that to hot I dunno

 

[TheChemist]

you do know that anything above about 60 FPS is completely the same to the human eye, right?

 

[Eunoch]

60 celsius is probably too hot. although its not over the limits a normal card should operate at 40-50 celsius. (100 celsius are required to boil water, ur more than halfway there to just about melting ur gfx card)

 

[Harryz]

1.let me gues a Brit?

What is that supposed to mean?

Before you purchase a product, how about read up on it, to see how it peforms and compares to other systems. Valve didn't force you to buy it.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

not really. /lou voice: thats a right kerfuffle.

In all honesty your fps isnt that bad, just try those tweaks on the first page, and look into alternative drivers.

 

[Ren.182]

60 degrees? Isn't that a bit hot? I thought they were meant to maintained at 30-40 degrees? Or am i wrong?

 

[Lemonking]

60 celsius is probably too hot. although its not over the limits a normal card should operate at 40-50 celsius. (100 celsius are required to boil water, ur more than halfway there to just about melting ur gfx card)

endlich ma ein deutscher
hab grad nochma CSS gezockt und nochma wegen der Temparatur geguckt es sind genau 48-52 grad celsius

 

[A True Canadian]

60 celsius is probably too hot. although its not over the limits a normal card should operate at 40-50 celsius. (100 celsius are required to boil water, ur more than halfway there to just about melting ur gfx card)

Interesting. OK, noob question: How do you check the temperature? I have a feeling my card may be overheating as well.

 

[Lemonking]

60 degrees? Isn't that a bit hot? I thought they were meant to maintained at 30-40 degrees? Or am i wrong?

thats probally due to my overclocked CPU
I tryed to OC my 6800 once then I got weird line I think there called artifacts

 

[Lemonking]

you do know that anything above about 60 FPS is completely the same to the human eye, right?

well yeah thats true but I have this desease called: must be better then others must have better toys then others got that from my dad I guess^^

 

[Ravioli]

they are making a game, they cant make it work on a PC from 1985

imaginge you creat a game, you install it on a Lower Rated computer, and it laggs, WHAT YOU GONA DO ABOUT IT? are you gona start Microsoft Word and typ: lag 0 ?

NO, why dont you tell them how to get that lag of, computers are being stronger and stronger, the old once cant take the new games, its just that way.

 

[Lemonking]

they are making a game, they cant make it work on a PC from 1985

imaginge you creat a game, you install it on a Lower Rated computer, and it laggs, WHAT YOU GONA DO ABOUT IT? are you gona start Microsoft Word and typ: lag 0 ?

NO, why dont you tell them how to get that lag of, computers are being stronger and stronger, the old once cant take the new games, its just that way.

is my 6800 that old :upstare:

 

[diluted]

My Radeon 9600xt runs at about 35 celsius when idle (at least according to the 'overdrive' tab in the advanced video settings)

 

[Lemonking]

My Radeon 9600xt runs at about 35 celsius when idle (at least according to the 'overdrive' tab in the advanced video settings)

maybe I should take my PC to a shop and let them check if soemthings broke or maybe I need a nu fan or something
ntw good nite see ya all tomarrow

 

[63]

you do know that anything above about 60 FPS is completely the same to the human eye, right?

Anything above 30 is the same for most humans.

 

[bvasgm]

Ok...I've been reading this and there's a few things that I don't get. First of all, 60-70 frames/second with all settings on high is nothing to get mad about. In fact, that's pretty damn good. Second, I've got the exact same graphics card as you, with a slightly faster processor (you said you had it oc'd to 2.9, I've got a 3.0) and less than half the RAM (768mb) and I get roughly 88 frames/second.... Maybe you should try defragmenting your hard drive, that usually helps, especially when it's been a long time since it's been done. Try running disk cleanup, scanning for spyware...The problem might just be that there's so many other programs running in the background that it's overloading the cpu and slowing down the game to a mere 60-70 frames per second.... If that doesn't help any then I don't know what to say except try, somehow..to endure such un-playable slide-shows...as that.

 

[Dark Auro]

Anything above 30 is the same for most humans.

I think thats just with TV screens. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS. I sure can. I can even tell the difference to probably from 60 to about 80 FPS and then it pretty much looks the same to me.

 

[63]

I think thats just with TV screens. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS. I sure can. I can even tell the difference to probably from 60 to about 80 FPS and then it pretty much looks the same to me.

You might be right about the TV's, but Id have to say that telling the difference between 60 and 80 fps would be VERY hard to do... maybe you have superdeeduper eyes or something.

 

[Milkman]

Funny, my two friends run BFG 6800 OC's 256mb and they get 60-110 FPS, on highest possible settings.

I think thats just with TV screens. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS. I sure can. I can even tell the difference to probably from 60 to about 80 FPS and then it pretty much looks the same to me.

"Real time" is 30fps, and anything over it is minutely noticable.

 

[Arathiel]

if it's 30 fps, and the frames are spread evenly through the second, than it's not noticably different than higher speeds. However, you can have a 30 fps that looks choppier because maybe half the second is at 45 fps and the other half is at 15... or you have 60 fps for a half second, and then a half second lag. It'll show as 30 fps, but feel much chopper.

 

[Coolhead2100]

Although you can not distinguesh between 60 and 6x or 7x or whatever frames per second, you will realize it because your eyes will feel more relaxed. This doesn't mean that 30 frames per second will unjur your eyes though, not at all.

 

[antaydos]

I fail to see the complaint here. Is 60fps bad?!?

 

[CREMATOR666]

What are you trying to say, exactly?.. :hmph:

 

[Messermeier]

http://amo.net/nt/02-21-01fps.html


60° is normal for gf6, nothing to worry about.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Uh, this has nothing to do with Valve, it's your hardware config in some place, because I have a 6600GT and can play at stable ~60 FPS on high during intense action scenes