I Hate Nintendo

[VirusType2]

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EDIT: Aguing what system is best and what games are best is like arguing what the best color is.

The question I wanted the world to know is:
How can GT1 get 10's and GT4 get 8.9 ?

It's just not acceptable to me so I'll just never respect reviews anymore

It's not scored on originallity! Even if it was, GT freakin invented this whole genre, shouldn't they be alowed to perfect it without losing points for not being a totally new idea?

It's improved 10 fold in every way.

Oh well, just forget it.
I should have thought more carefully and named this thread:
"I hate game reviews"

CLOSED.

 

[Razor]

By Razor:


First while I don't think most are 3 times better, I think the ps2 has in absolute term more better games than nintendo consoles.


By Warbie


Yes you are, and yes you do. When nintendo does not innovate it's okay cause that particular piece of hardware wasn't supposed to do that, but you critizise sony for the same thing, how about. Anything nintendo does is excused and everyting sony does is not, you are hard core inintendo fan.



Well someone who thinks they are smart may draw a paralel between EA and sony saying, look at EA, sells shit and still the bigegst, but a really smart person might look at it and say wait a little, nintendo had far more brand recognition, far more following, why the hell did they still lose to sony, simply the games were betetr on psx and more modern, the proof in that is that nintendo is trying to emulate sony, the gc didn't follow nintendo tardition it did what the ps2 did, and though nintendo releaed the ds, they are still making the new gayboy to have something that can actually compete with the psp, lets just hope teh ybring it out before sony figurs out how to make the battery life of the psp mre that 30 min or else nintendo are screwed.


And virus you are complety right that nintendo is beeing judged on a completely differnt scale that other systems.
BTW here is another thread if you wanan discus the psp or ds
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66322&highlight=sony+nintendo

The ps2 has more good games then the Gamecube, but the Gamecube has more great games then both the Xbox and Ps2 combined. Nintendo has always never had a problem getting the greatest games on there own console, the only problem Nintendo actually has is getting the "good game that is available on half a million platforms...gta3" type games to be available on the Gamecube though.

And the reason the ps outsold the n64 and the ps2 outsold the Gamecube is marketing, plain and simple. Nintendo marketed the n64 to people who enjoyed the snes, Sony advertised the Playstation towards teenage boys, trying to make it cool and be fashionable to have a Playstation in your bedroom, hence the reason why some of the biggest games on the Playstation were the Tomb Raider games, again top selling but lacked a lot of the quality that should go with a top selling game.

 

[Warbie]

The ps2 has more good games then the Gamecube, but the Gamecube has more great games then both the Xbox and Ps2 combined. Nintendo has always never had a problem getting the greatest games on there own console, the only problem Nintendo actually has is getting the "good game that is available on half a million platforms...gta3" type games to be available on the Gamecube though.

And the reason the ps outsold the n64 and the ps2 outsold the Gamecube is marketing, plain and simple. Nintendo marketed the n64 to people who enjoyed the snes, Sony advertised the Playstation towards teenage boys, trying to make it cool and be fashionable to have a Playstation in your bedroom, hence the reason why some of the biggest games on the Playstation were the Tomb Raider games, again top selling but lacked a lot of the quality that should go with a top selling game.

Well said.

 

[Direwolf]

I think a lot of people are annoyed at the missing online component too...thats just kinda become expected in racing games these days, from Gotham to Burnout.

 

[VirusType2]

Yea I was looking forward to that, but sometimes online play just doesn't work for certain games.

You might want to save like a setting for each car for each track so its just alot of stuff u know.

also it just might not be smooth and fair racing with lag can be a problem at times.

one guy posted on the "Gran toursimo 2 days!" thread a link to play online but I wonder how well it works, how easy it is to use, and if u can find someone to race.

 

[Cole]

We all like what we like.
Stop trying to change solid opinons and just go play your damn games. No ones solid opinon will change here will it?

Sooo goo and goo play your Gc, Ps2, Pc, Gb, PSP, or DS.

 

[Direwolf]

We're having a discussion, not the normal flame-war. Feel free to save that comment for the other million threads that need it though.
Edit: Right on time, IGN just posted an article listing the best games for the Cube:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/590/590436p1.html
Those are the first 10.

 

[Gray Fox]

By Warbie:

You're putting words in my mouth. None of what you mentioned is true. I can criticise Nintendo if you like (and would probably do a better job of it than you ) I'm a massive Nintendo fan, yes. But not a fanboy.

A massive Ninteno fan= a fanboy, and no you can't criticize nintendo, you have allready proven that.

Also, the psx does not deserve credit for moving to cds. What about pcs, or the Saturn? You're kidding yourself if you think Nintendo moving over to their tiny DVDs was emulating Sony in any way. Seriously - you really believe that they would have stuck with cartridges for this generation? (deep down you they wouldn't have)

He?, I do not see a post in this thread made by me saying that sony should be givin credit for it, but now that we are on ti, it does show how sony chose to put innovative technology in it's console and give devolopers more flexibilty, and luring squarsoft to the psx, while nintendo only thought about themselfes when they designed the N64, makes you not wonder why the N64 got so little third party support.

But what I have seen is you telling how nintendo innovates the most, you know like the ydid with the snes, which was basicly a powerdup nes, just like teh ps2 is a powerd up psx, exept that the games on snes, had about the same games, with the same character, the roughly same overall plotline, where the ps2 has internet and psx didn't and the eyetoy. And just like the N64, the gameboy advance, the GC. Actually the only time ninteno innovated is with the DS.

Lastly, there was always going to be a new Gameboy, the release of the PSP has nothing to do with this (other than maybe hurry things along) The DS they released because they wanted to try something new (and damn good it is too ) - surely you don't have a problem with that?

Well no i don't, but I still think the psp is better although I myself would buy a DS, but it's an unfair fight, the DS has got the puppy game, how the **** do yo uexpect me to resist a puppy game, you try resisting a puppy game, evertying else psp owns(for half and hour atleast).

By Razor:

The ps2 has more good games then the Gamecube, but the Gamecube has more great games then both the Xbox and Ps2 combined. Nintendo has always never had a problem getting the greatest games on there own console, the only problem Nintendo actually has is getting the "good game that is available on half a million platforms...gta3" type games to be available on the Gamecube though.

I disagree on the first part, although I can understand where yo uare coming from, if it was between N64 and psx, I would definatly be for psx, but GC has certainly got some good games. The reson Nintendo has a problem getting third party developers is because they make their console with only themselfes in mind and sony and microsoft don't, although once again the gc is pretty flexible, so it's probably the high orice devs/publishers have to pay to put their games on nintendo's platform.

And the reason the ps outsold the n64 and the ps2 outsold the Gamecube is marketing, plain and simple. Nintendo marketed the n64 to people who enjoyed the snes, Sony advertised the Playstation towards teenage boys, trying to make it cool and be fashionable to have a Playstation in your bedroom, hence the reason why some of the biggest games on the Playstation were the Tomb Raider games, again top selling but lacked a lot of the quality that should go with a top selling game.

That is just stupid, Nintendo has way more brandrecognition, had waymore experience, had more power. It has nothing to do with marketing, you do not overtake the big giant just by marketing, psx had way better and more professionals looking games. With the psx movies and games came closer, games coold easy compete with movies and books story and presentation wise, the games were above nintendo's in terms of depth, story presentation, tombraider was just a great game, after the third the franchaise become shit. The psx appealed to everyoen, nintendo mostly to kids, and soem select few adults.

By Direwolf

Hate to be flippent and dismissive, but that right there just loses any hope of making me listen.

and yet you quoted me, besides after that nothing important comes anyway.

 

[GhostBoi]

Wow, I have a lot of those games, and I have to agree that they are the best of the best(for the cube).

 

[Warbie]

No Super Monkey Ball?! No Paper Mario 2 or Tales of Symphonia!?

Nice they mentioned Wave Race though - that's a lovely game

 

[Dalamari]

Even though Virus pussied out, I still dislike Nintendo, and I will not give any reason except that they use the same gimmicks over and over.

 

[Vigilante]

7/10 - they liked it, especially in multiplayer



:cheers:

=/....only 7/10? I guess you can't score it high for graphics.

And yes, Super Monkey Ball does kick a lot of ass.

 

[<RJMC>]

I respect nintendo
even if they act like EA whit mario games

but nintendo is a big name in the videogames company and is equal to pure quality and it got all my respect

 

[Direwolf]

If making stuff thats consistently good and fun to play is a "gimmick" I wish more companies would use it.
I'd also like to add that their hardware is top notch. My Nintendo stuff has outlasted any other company's hardware.

 

[Vigilante]

Is this turning into another Grey Fox vs. Warbie thread?

 

[EVIL]

damn, the good old snes days, playing starfox untill my hands hurt
super R-type haha that was cool

anyway, every game from nintendo that I ever bought was TOP NOTCH! loads of fun, nothing to complain about. Offcourse the controller sucked (come to think of it, it was mighty comfortable for 1 cm thick 8 shaped plastick with buttons that klicked like my tongue to a womans cli.. ehm yeah) , but that was before they invented RSI so it was ok back in those days

Nintendo has my vote peeps, so whats the score, the gaming world vs virus and friends (2 @ most)

 

[kungfucheez]

Believe it or not there are people who dont like Nintendo, me not one of them. If we doesnt like Nintendo then thats his loss. however thats no reason to go after Sony and their PsP considering that im going to buy one

 

[Warbie]

=/....only 7/10? I guess you can't score it high for graphics.

And yes, Super Monkey Ball does kick a lot of ass.

That's a good score from Edge m8

 

[Murray_H]

But don't you just get bored of Mario? There's having a company mascot, then there's having a company whore

 

[Direwolf]

Well its not like they flood the market with Mario games. Sure theres the offshoots (Mariokart etc), which are good in their own right, but for actual Mario games you get two, maybe three, per console generation if you're lucky.
I still prefer to see Samus or Link kick some ass though.

 

[Warbie]

By Warbie:

A massive Ninteno fan= a fanboy

Of course it doesn't.

and no you can't criticize nintendo, you have allready proven that.

Ask me to nicely and I will.

it does show how sony chose to put innovative technology in it's console and give devolopers more flexibilty, and luring squarsoft to the psx, while nintendo only thought about themselfes when they designed the N64, makes you not wonder why the N64 got so little third party support.

That's true, 3rd part support was lacking. Fortunately the first party games were the best any generation has seen (especially if you include Rare in that) Losing Squaresoft was a crushing blow (the early work for FF7 on the N64 looked very sweet) However, after FF7 the series went to crap - so, other than financially, it wasn't such a big deal in the end.

But what I have seen is you telling how nintendo innovates the most, you know like the ydid with the snes, which was basicly a powerdup nes, just like teh ps2 is a powerd up psx, exept that the games on snes, had about the same games, with the same character, the roughly same overall plotline, where the ps2 has internet and psx didn't and the eyetoy. And just like the N64, the gameboy advance, the GC. Actually the only time ninteno innovated is with the DS.

Let's not do this again. Need I explain how they've innovated in the way we play games, in how they're designed, and in how they're controlled, once more?? Cast your mind back to when Mario 64 was released. Remember how nothing like it had ever been seen before - the leap was amazing. At a time when every other console was using digital control we suddenly had full analogue. The effect it had on their games was simply staggering (Zelda, Golden Eye etc wouldn't have been possible on a PSX or Saturn) It doesn't get any more innovative than this in this industry.

The other consoles started to follow, and eventually brought out their own analogue pads. But they weren't the standard pad, and as such few games were designed with analogue in mind - even fewer did it well. It wasn't untill the next generation that these companies (Sega, Sony and Microsoft) had caught up. You can't deny this - because it is fact.

This is just one example, there are plenty more.

What other company can compare in terms of hardware and software? You must admit that it's impressive how they regularly produce great hardware while also making some of the most exciting games in the industry. It doesn't matter what other games other developers releasing, everytime a new Zelda title is announced everyone pays attention - and for good reason.

Well no i don't, but I still think the psp is better although I myself would buy a DS, but it's an unfair fight, the DS has got the puppy game, how the **** do yo uexpect me to resist a puppy game, you try resisting a puppy game, evertying else psp owns(for half and hour atleast).

The only PSP game i've enjoyed so far is Lumines. Ridge Racer is pretty neat - but i've played and owned many in the series. Metal Gear Acid was a disappointment. I'm still greatly enjoying Wario Ware and the Mario 64 DS mini games though. This all comes down to personal taste, but I wouldn't swap my DS for a PSP (and, despite what you believe, this isn't because i'm a fanboy - but because I honestly enjoy it more)

Out of interest, why do you think the PS is 'better'?

psx had way better and more professionals looking games. With the psx movies and games came closer, games coold easy compete with movies and books story and presentation wise, the games were above nintendo's in terms of depth, story presentation, tombraider was just a great game, after the third the franchaise become shit. The psx appealed to everyoen, nintendo mostly to kids, and soem select few adults.

That's just rubbish. Sony appealed to the masses in the way Mcdonalds does. They were the Ford of the console world and targetted the casual gamer (particularly adolescent males) This isn't a critcism btw.

Sure, some of the psx games were very good, even excellent in a few cases, but on the whole they were pretty crappy. There were more games worth owning on the N64.

Call me a fan boy all you want. The fact is I greatly enjoyed the PSX (MGS was amazing, FF7 left me in awe, Tomb Raider kept me up all night for weeks. So many good and varied games that I will remember fondly for ever) The difference is that the best titles on the N64 completely changed the way I saw gaming - it was new, and raised the bar so much further than we'd seen before.

 

[dart321]

To me, Nintendo is just too damn childish. I mean, I know they have good, mature games like Resident Evil 4 and stuff but those games are not, technically, made by Nintendo (I‘m talking about Mario, Starfox, etc.). I’m sorry but to me, games are not about some fat plumber’s quest to save a princess by jumping on mushrooms. Their about engaging storylines, memorable and mature characters, good technology, and impressive gameplay. Nintendo just does not have that for me.

Honestly, I have enough trouble convincing my girlfriend to take my geeky hobby a little bit seriously. I don’t want to know what she, or anyone else that I know for that matter, would think if she caught me playing Mario Party (uh, what is it now 5? 6?). Mario Party 6? Anyway, this is just my opinion. They do have good gameplay to some of there games though.

And while we’re talking about Nintendo: why does EVERYONE who likes Nintendo say that Nintendo is so innovative and makes such new, fresh games? I mean that might have been true at one time, when video games we’re in their infancy, but now? No ****ing way. I dare you to tell me that a game like MGS3 or Half-Life 2 or GTA:SA is less inovative than any Nintendo game. Just because I have to rub my ass against my damn controller to shoot does not make the game anymore innovative to me. It’s just kind of amusing for a while, then pointless.

No thank you. If I want Japanese games, I’ll stick with my PS2, and if I ever feel the need to find a healthy new way to masterbate and get a new high score with a lizard playing tennis, I might buy a DS or something.

 

[Warbie]

Why do you feel that Nintendo titles are kiddy games? I play Mario party/golf with friends quite often - they're all in their mid 20's and early 30's, have jobs, went to university etc. We have a drink, a laugh, and enjoy them for what they are - a fun games. Never does it feel like we're playing a game made for children. If you're secure enough in yourself you won't worry what other may think.

Titles like Counter Strike or MGS are certainly no more mature than your average Nintendo product. Unless you still feel the 'playing army' is for adults - becasue that's all it is guys, don't fool yourselfs. We're all big kids who still like to play army.

You're right about innovation though. As time moves on it's becoming increasingly harder for any developer to innovate (HL2 being a great example. Does it innovate? No. Does it do what it does better than any other game before it? Arguably, yes)

It's not that suprising that the the one piece of innovating kit out this generation is a Nintendo product. It's also not suprising that they're promising big and new things with their next gen console (whether they'll deliver or not is yet to be seen) Either way, it's nice that at least one company is trying to do something new.

 

[Warbie]

Nthe handheld certainly didn't revolutionise gaming as it was hyped up to, but then, there are very few things that actually do live up to their hype these days.

Let's give it a chance

We haven't even experienced any titles that have been designed with the DS's unique features in mind yet (Wario Ware being the closest so far)

At worst it's a new and entertaining alternative from the norm. At best it's - well, we don't know yet :thumbs:

 

[Warbie]

It sure is nice to see at least one company trying to do something new, but I'm still quite worried that the market doesn't want something new. People are suckers for familiarity. You can show a superior product boasting more features and higher quality standards to the masses, but they won't like it because they have to be challenged by it. The one thing people do not like is to be challened, espeically in their ideas of convention.

You're probably right.

However, (imo) Nintendo aren't directly competing with Sony or Microsoft anymore. They have their niche, and a massive and loyal fanbase (which is why they still prosper and other companies like Sega and SNK haven't) If enough ppl buy their new console it will be a financial success. Appealing to the mainstream isn't always the be all and end all.

 

[Mattigus]

There are some huge freaking posts in this thread. I think everyone should just agree that they're just video games and we don't need to put THIS much effort into them.

And by the way, I love Nintendo too.

 

[Warbie]

As I said, most people dislike change, and the DS is alien to most, despite its redeeming qualities. Unless something comes out soon that truly influences gaming for years to come and sets the bar, I don't think that the DS will find much of a future outside of cheap ports, remakes and gimmicky games (excluding the inevitable exceptions).

That would be a shame, and is definately possible in the UK/US. There's still hope though, especially considering how well the DS has sold so far.

In Japan the DS has been accepted and generally welcomed by all. It's not alien to anyone there. But that's in Japan, and they're a little more opened minded when it comes to experimenting with new technology.

When ppl actually pick up and play one they soon realise how immidiately accessible it is. I've introduced quite a few to the DS, many of them non gamers, who've all received it well. So well infact that often there were arguments over who's go it was next.

Yoshi's Touch and Go arrives next month - hopefully that will shift a few units

 

[Warbie]

There are some huge freaking posts in this thread. I think everyone should just agree that they're just video games and we don't need to put THIS much effort into them.

And by the way, I love Nintendo too.

What a boring forum that would be

 

[Kyorisu]

Re: Warbie

My definition of Kiddie Games;

The developer in question "Nintendo" choose to mainly focus their network of workers onto making games with high levels of brightness and colours.

That may seem like a poor explanation and even you mentioned 30 year olds can easily enjoy a standard GC game, and I can too. However they should break away from these kinds of games a bit more often.

I personally enjoyed "Eternal Darkness" produced by "Silicon Knights, Inc." for the GC. It wasn't a game that would burn my retinas during an early morning gaming session in the dark.

All I can say about The DS's new touch screen feature is allready mentioned in this popular web comic.

Touch screens arn't exactly new. We've had them for quite some time. Nintendo merley introduced the tech into their new fang dangled device. Let's face it someone has to dive headfirst into these regions when it comes to gaming, heck I'm still waiting for a decent VR headset.

 

[Warbie]

Touch screens arn't exactly new. We've had them for quite some time. Nintendo merley introduced the tech into their new fang dangled device. Let's face it someone has to dive headfirst into these regions when it comes to gaming, heck I'm still waiting for a decent VR headset.

Let's be fair though. No one's ever used touch screen well - infact, so far the implemplentation of touch screen in games has been abysmal.

It's done very well on the DS. No other platform could allow me to play the games i'm currently enjoying.

 

[dart321]

I'm not complaining about how well the touch screen is implemented into the DS. It is, for all purposes of this discussion, done very well. The point is, is there a need for a touch screen in a mobile gaming system in the first place? I personally do not think there is. The only reason that Nintendo probably put a touch screen in the DS was to say that they have a touch screen in the DS.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they can come up with a few new things because of the touch screen. But overall, it's just another gimmick. I sure don't want to pay for a game where all you do is touch, rub, yell, and flick things. I do that enough in real life. (No perverted image intended.)

Warbie, you pointed out that MGS and Half-Life are just another version of "playing army". In some ways I agree. The overall presentation of these games, however, is far different than Mario Kart: Double Dash, surly even you must admit to this. In you're line of thinking, the cartoon version of The Lord Of The Rings should have won 11 Oscars just like the film version. (Wow, I sound really geeky now. ) The point is, it was made, for the most part, for different audiences. Sure, some adults like the cartoon version, but that does not mean it was made for them.

Edit: I'm not trying to make fun of the LOTR cartoon version. I need an analogy and this fits best.

 

[Warbie]

I see what you mean, but still feel the touch screen is far from a gimmick. As mentioned already - the games me and my friends are enjoying at the moment simply wouldn't exist if there was no DS. In this time of rehash after mindless rehash there is need to try something new - so imo there is a need for touch screen (or anything else that allows us to enjoy games in a new way)

Think about what a touch screen could offer. Imagine playing an RTS title - being able to select units and move them around with a few touches of the screen (better than a mouse? quite possibly). Even for standard game features like inventory management it would be a welcome feature (i'm greatly looking forward to the FF6 remake - selecting commands, sorting items, equipping armour etc will become so much easier and quicker to perfrom. Anyone who studies user interface design knows that this can have a massive impact on how usable and effective a system is - and, in the case of games, how much fun you'll have. Many pc fans argue how impossible it is to play a FPS with a joypad - the principle is the same) Then we get titles like Yoshi's Touch and Go and Wario Ware - titles that couldn't be played with a mouse/joypad.

You mention the presentation of Half-Life and MGS in comparsion to Double Dash, which is a little unfair imo. Put simply, Double Dash is crap. A fairer comparison would be Metroid Prime, Golden Eye, Mario 64, or Zelda OoT - in this case their presentation easily on par with those titles (and, imo, exceeds them considerably)

Blood and guts, swearing, sex and violence, doesn't make a game mature (quite often it achieves the opposite). Neither does bright vibrant colours, twee music, and cartoony graphics make a game 'kiddy'. What matters is how much a game involves you, whether it can engage you on many levels and be a joy to play.

I think I understand your LOTR analogy - that isn't what i'm trying to say though. If a cartoon version of the movie was as well crafted and entertaining, then surely it would deserve as much recognition? What about anime? My Dad used to wind me up about watching 'cartoons' in my late teens. I'm 26 now and still love anime. He completely missed the point, and failed to see past his immediate and biased first impressions. More fool him. It's the same with many video games.

 

[Gray Fox]

First of all, I would like to add, that a if nintendo brought out a device that you had to rub certain parts of your body to get soemthing done, I would really enjoy it.

Secondly, DS is great exept for the memory capacity, they should have used a mini cd or something, not those crappy sd cards, would have made it a lot more versatile, and this is just an example of nintendo only thinking about itself, and the kind of games they make, mini cd's would have made the ds a lot more versitile and a lot more developers would be atracted.
By Warbie

You mention the presentation of Half-Life and MGS in comparsion to Double Dash, which is a little unfair imo. Put simply, Double Dash is crap. A fairer comparison would be Metroid Prime, Golden Eye, Mario 64, or Zelda OoT - in this case their presentation easily on par with those titles (and, imo, exceeds them considerably)

Now that is just mean, mgs presentation exceeds everything else, every movie, game, book. You can't compare it to other tiltes. The lvl of depth in the story is just ****ing amazing, the movies are betetr than anything hollywood has made, and that all on the ps, mgs is the pinnacle of story telling and then we haven't even started to say anything about the gameplay, it has by far the best gamepley ever, ever. The game even makes you do stuff in the real wordl that affect teh game, like switching controlelr ports, looking on the back of your box, it checks your memory card and so analyses your personality to confront you with it, mgs exeeds very form of entertainmetn yet to date, wtf is wrong with you.
But then agan I'm a uber mg fanboy.

 

[Warbie]

Secondly, DS is great exept for the memory capacity, they should have used a mini cd or something, not those crappy sd cards, would have made it a lot more versatile, and this is just an example of nintendo only thinking about itself, and the kind of games they make, mini cd's would have made the ds a lot more versitile and a lot more developers would be atracted.

There's always advantages and disadvantages when it comes to cartridge vs cd/dvd. Extra storage space is great, but loading times suffer greatly. Even the mini GC dvds (which can load far quicker than the PS2 and Xbox media) feel sluggish in comparison to a cartridge. I agree with you that in most cases dvd's are the way forward, but for something which is all about 'pick up and play for 20 mins while on the bus' then maybe Nintendo made the right choice. (no time for 5 hours of MGS cutscenes )

Now that is just mean, mgs presentation exceeds everything else, every movie, game, book. You can't compare it to other tiltes. The lvl of depth in the story is just ****ing amazing, the movies are betetr than anything hollywood has made, and that all on the ps, mgs is the pinnacle of story telling and then we haven't even started to say anything about the gameplay, it has by far the best gamepley ever, ever. The game even makes you do stuff in the real wordl that affect teh game, like switching controlelr ports, looking on the back of your box, it checks your memory card and so analyses your personality to confront you with it, mgs exeeds very form of entertainmetn yet to date, wtf is wrong with you.
But then agan I'm a uber mg fanboy.

Hey - I loved MGS (and even thought the sequal was pretty good)

 

[Direwolf]

I'd like to point out that using "mini-cds" would have shortened the DS's battery life considerably. Those things don't spin on their own, and Nintendo knows it.
And while I appreciate the MGS storyline and presentation as much as the next guy, I can't say its better than many other books and movies.

 

[Warbie]

I'd like to point out that using "mini-cds" would have shortened the DS's battery life considerably. Those things don't spin on their own, and Nintendo knows it.

Good point. Even the 10 or so hours the DS lasts before a new charge is needed can be annoying.

 

[Gray Fox]

So both the psp and ds suck, why the **** do you people buy these things, jezus freaking christ. You just let the manufacturers screw you over, if you peopel waited they would have to improve theri shit before the yrelease it, until that time just play wow or something if you wanna wast your money.

 

[EVIL]

and warbie gains + 24 post's in this thread.

 

[dart321]

I'm with Grey Fox on MGS. It blows away everything related to game storylines for me. Even most movies and books don't hold a candle to it IMO. Anyway, Warbie, it really all comes back to a matter of opinion. My opinion is that Nintendo is for kids and, unless they drastically make changes to they're core signature games, this will not change anytime soon.

I'll arg... uh, discuss this a bit more with you when I get home.

 

[Warbie]

and warbie gains + 24 post's in this thread.

25 actually

How can people still believe Nintnedo make kids games? It's baffling :/