I just watched the review of Halo 2 from gamespot and.....

[Ames]

thats because HL1 came out a LONG time before Halo 1.

It still is true though. If you took one look at a screen from HL and HL2, you wouldn't even know that they were related, unless you had some similarities like headcrabs, zombies, etc. in them. With Halo and Halo 2, you wouldn't even know that they were different games, unless, like above, you saw some differences like the normal mapping and such.

 

[Sparta]

You're not a fanboy at all huh? Halo 2's multiplayer is far better than CSS, IMO. I have indeed spent countless hours in multiplayer. It's just fun, pure fun. However, it's my opinion. Why does it offend you so much that alot of people like the games multiplayer?

To me, Halo 2 multiplayer looks like the cousin of UT 2004.

The little younger cousin that tries so hard to be as cool as you, but can't quite pull it off without looking like a slight tryhard.

I'm not saying its bad, but essentially thats what the multiplayer looks like to me. I watched 8 video's of it last night and they've even got the UT voice going, and it says things like "Double-kill" "Triple-kill" and even (I loathe this one) "Kill-TACULAR!!".

It will be an awesome multiplayer game to play with friends, but i doubt i'll be calling it the best MP ever anytime soon.

And before you even TRY to call me a fanboy, i bought Xbox Live yesterday, mostly for Halo 2 (and partly for Ninja Gaiden: gotta love that sweet Ninja taste :E oh YEAH!!)

 

[brink's]

It still is true though. If you took one look at a screen from HL and HL2, you wouldn't even know that they were related, unless you had some similarities like headcrabs, zombies, etc. in them. With Halo and Halo 2, you wouldn't even know that they were different games, unless, like above, you saw some differences like the normal mapping and such.

ITS ON AN XBOX!!!!! How can their be a huge graphical improvement if the hardware hasn't improved?

 

[<RJMC>]

you should watch the gamespot forums

they are mad about that score

 

[Gorgon]

you're an idiot
why must people compare these two games
one is on a console and the other on pc.. nuf said

exactly,

I mean com on guys, Halo2 is a killer but for console vs Console games genere.

We could make vs thread when the right time arrives, Next year Halo2 on PC.

HALO2 is AWSOME game. (XBOX)
HALFLIFE2 is 2X Awsome (PC).......

 

[dart321]

To me, Halo 2 multiplayer looks like the cousin of UT 2004.

The little younger cousin that tries so hard to be as cool as you, but can't quite pull it off without looking like a slight tryhard.

I'm not saying its bad, but essentially thats what the multiplayer looks like to me. I watched 8 video's of it last night and they've even got the UT voice going, and it says things like "Double-kill" "Triple-kill" and even (I loathe this one) "Kill-TACULAR!!".

It will be an awesome multiplayer game to play with friends, but i doubt i'll be calling it the best MP ever anytime soon.

And before you even TRY to call me a fanboy, i bought Xbox Live yesterday, mostly for Halo 2 (and partly for Ninja Gaiden: gotta love that sweet Ninja taste :E oh YEAH!!)

Fanboy. No seriously, having a group of friends come over and playing Halo is , IMO, the best multiplayer experience. UT2004 is good, very good. As far as the UT2004 comparison goes: Halo has very different gameplay.

So thats why people don't like Halo! You need friends!

 

[B_MAN]

I just watched the video review
and its made me even more excited about the game!

 

[Newbie's Journey]

You're not a fanboy at all huh? Halo 2's multiplayer is far better than CSS, IMO. I have indeed spent countless hours in multiplayer. It's just fun, pure fun. However, it's my opinion. Why does it offend you so much that alot of people like the games multiplayer?

i used to be a fanboy of halo 1, but i was disappointed by the halo 1 pc version, that it doesn't even come with coop. then i start thinking what is the point to waste time being a fanboy of anything, just play and enjoy what i judge is good. and what is so original in halo 2's multiplayer ?? name some features that don't existe in other games. the game, is it really that fun ? or just the commercial make it to appear fun, and after all, it's just the same old crap. Man i enjoy playing red faction 1 online more than playing halo 1 pc online. and Ut2004 beats halo 1 to hell, now the halo 2 just looks like the same old halo 1. I'm getting excited over it.

My favor online fps games are natural selection, css, dod, battlefield serie, ut2004, red faction 1, etc. I don't see anything in halo 2 multiplay can surpass the games in the list.

 

[pingu]

Fanboy. No seriously, having a group of friends come over and playing Halo is , IMO, the best multiplayer experience. UT2004 is good, very good. As far as the UT2004 comparison goes: Halo has very different gameplay.

So thats why people don't like Halo! You need friends!

Trying to see whats going on, on your quarter portion of the television screen, using the shitty controller, being able to see what everyone else is doing, the bad framerates, the not near so fun gameplay, the 4 player max limit, is not what I would call the best mp ever.

 

[dart321]

Trying to see whats going on, on your quarter portion of the television screen, using the shitty controller, being able to see what everyone else is doing, the bad framerates, the not near so fun gameplay, the 4 player max limit, is not what I would call the best mp ever.

Half of you're reasons are pure opinion, the others can be fixed with system-link or Xbox Live or by playing with a descent group of people.

i used to be a fanboy of halo 1, but i was disappointed by the halo 1 pc version, that it doesn't even come with coop. then i start thinking what is the point to waste time being a fanboy of anything, just play and enjoy what i judge is good. and what is so original in halo 2's multiplayer ?? name some features that don't existe in other games. the game, is it really that fun ? or just the commercial make it to appear fun, and after all, it's just the same old crap. Man i enjoy playing red faction 1 online more than playing halo 1 pc online. and Ut2004 beats halo 1 to hell, now the halo 2 just looks like the same old halo 1. I'm getting excited over it.

My favor online fps games are natural selection, css, dod, battlefield serie, ut2004, red faction 1, etc. I don't see anything in halo 2 multiplay can surpass the games in the list.

Well what do you want me to say? Thats you're opinion. I respect it, I agree with some of it. I have played every single game on that list and while they are all fun, it just doesn't compare to the great experiences I've had with Halo.

 

[Newbie's Journey]

let's bring this dicussion to gamespot forum, and flame that guy who review the halo 2 to hell. Giving faking score like that which contradicts what he has said in his review. he shouldn't review games anymore.

 

[pingu]

Half of you're reasons are pure opinion, the others can be fixed with system-link or Xbox Live or by playing with a descent group of people.

Well, im my opinion, HALO MP is just plain boring compared to the likes on NS, TFC, CS, DOD, Tribes, Battlefield, Enemy Territory, UT2004, and Halo 2's multiplayer looks like a bad rip off of UT2004's assault and CTF, its not going to be revolutionary at all.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Whats the deal with no HP, only shields? Anyone else a little confused by this?

 

[dart321]

Well, im my opinion, HALO MP is just plain boring compared to the likes on NS, TFC, CS, DOD, Tribes, Battlefield, Enemy Territory, UT2004, and Halo 2's multiplayer looks like a bad rip off of UT2004's assault and CTF, its not going to be revolutionary at all.

Who the hell said anything about it being revolutionary? It's going to be fun! (IMO)

 

[Ames]

Whats the deal with no HP, only shields? Anyone else a little confused by this?

So you don't have to go looking for health packs. Just wait for your shields to recharge.

 

[Prince of China]

Halo 2 doesn't look like that much of an improvement from Halo.
Half-Life 2, by the looks of it, is definetly better than Half-Life and Halo 2.

 

[pingu]

Who the hell said anything about it being revolutionary? It's going to be fun! (IMO)

it was an assumption due to the hype this games getting, basically what im saying is this game does not deserve the hype at all, I thought Halos single player was no better than Devestation on the PC (infact I enjoyed Devestation more and it got no coverage from anything), and apparently Halo 2 is exactly the same, I dont see what the big deal is, and the multiplayer has been done a million times before.

 

[Warbie]

I can point out that the single player campian (that is what everybody wants for HL2) is only 10 hours on Halo 2 (or less if you rush through it.) But I'll try Halo 2 on legendary and see how long it takes..I really enjoyed Halo 1 on legendary cause it was so challenging and spectacular. The reason why Halo 2 is getting a Higher rating is because it is a CONSOLE GAME! NOT MANY CONSOLE GAMES CAN DO WHAT HALO 1 and 2 DID!! ESPECIALLY MULTIPLAYER!! But on the PC, you can do almost anything because you don't have the restrictions a console would have. But overall Half-life 2 will be a far better game, in terms of gameplay and graphics. If you watched the review for halo 2, gamespot points out that the graphics are not as good as everyone was saying it would be, Especially the cutscenes. That's why I think HL2 will kill Halo 2 (at least for me)

You admit yourself that Halo on Legendary was 'challenging and spectacular'. Anyone reason why you think the sequal will be different?

Also, that 10 hour estimate must be based on easy/normal difficulty settings. You know as well as I that mastering Halo 2 on Legendary is going to take ages (especially as it's meant to be harder than the first /o\)

You also forget to mention co-op - which alone is worth the price of the game (and an XBox imo) When it comes to pure gaming fun, very few titles can come anywhere near Halo in co-op (and i'm including Half-Life in that)

 

[Newbie's Journey]

Half of you're reasons are pure opinion, the others can be fixed with system-link or Xbox Live or by playing with a descent group of people.



Well what do you want me to say? Thats you're opinion. I respect it, I agree with some of it. I have played every single game on that list and while they are all fun, it just doesn't compare to the great experiences I've had with Halo.

ok simply answer the question in my post, what makes halo 2 online so fun, like what features, what modes, what gameplay ?? are u able to name any ?? if u can name any, explain why they make halo 2 better than other games, such as css, ut2004, bf, etc.

 

[destrukt]

some things are just plain fun, like running after a kite ? why ? noone really knows [though someone could make a reasonable explanation].

human behaviour 101: people like company.
so, co-op is fun, just plain fun. you can sit there yelling @ each other trying to dodge enemies and have both of you survive, or you can run around tryin to see who can do the most impressive jump on level x.

xbox lans are so fun, having a bunch of people sitting around a few tv's killing each other.

single player: it has a good storyline, one of the few fps that do have a good storyline [one of the other's being the halflife series]. plus, ilovebees and the books add to the storyline, for halflife all we have to follow is the ingame, so this allows me to say, the halo series storyline is more indepth, but i won't.

halo2 is innovative and fun and interesting.

i give you this question, what makes hl2 so good ? and don't say the physics and mod's as every other person does ...

other people like [love] other games, you don't need to try and understand that, just understand that everyoen is different to you.

 

[Alig]

He can't name any because none exsist.

I didn't find anything fun in Halo playing with mates...it didn't make me go "wow this rocks, so much fun" like goldeneye did. Tbh i have had tons more fun in Timesplitters MP...and SP.

single player: it has a good storyline, one of the few fps that do have a good storyline [one of the other's being the halflife series]. plus, ilovebees and the books add to the storyline, for halflife all we have to follow is the ingame, so this allows me to say, the halo series storyline is more indepth, but i won't.

Whats halo's story about again? Aliens attacking the planet? One man (or should i say wo-man so i believe) saving the planet. Did you know that one of the first FPS ever, if not THE first FPS had a story almost the same as that. Yeah, Doom - Monsters [replaced by aliens] come from hell [replace with space] and one man [replace with woman] saves the world. The end.

To tell you the truth i dont particually like Half-Lifes story either. Its no better than FarCrys imo but atleast it has some unanswered un-obvious questions in there like Who the hell is G-Man!?

 

[Newbie's Journey]

man, anything u name there, we can do with any other multiplayer game

and half life 2 isn't out yet, so i can't name any now from an objective point of view.

 

[pingu]

i give you this question, what makes hl2 so good ? and don't say the physics and mod's as every other person does ...

other people like [love] other games, you don't need to try and understand that, just understand that everyoen is different to you.

Well from the look of it, the complete immersiveness of the game, the way the story unfolds, the intense reaslism, the oodles of detail thats gone into every nook and krany (halo 2, the same as the last game, the same all the way through practically), the way youre not just blasting hordes after hordes of aliens like in halo 2. The genius level design, not the cut and paste blocks in Halo 2. The way the game makes you think, instead of the serious sam style halo has adopted. The graphics/physics etc are supreme compared to halo 2, there is no comparison. The whole game makes Halo 2 look pathetic. Oh yes then theres the endless mods, multiplayer and customisation to make the game popular for years to come.

 

[destrukt]

halo2 has a detailed story as i said, and it's even more immerive.

according to the reviews the amount of detail put into halo2 is impressive.

specific references to the cut and paste in halo 2.

serious sam ? this is far from serious sam, combat evolved may have been a tiny bit similar in the flood events but halo2 is far from it [need to destroy environment etc].

if it makes halo2 look so pathetic? why is halo2 goign to be more sucessfull [sell more etc].

i don't mind if you say hl2 is a great game [which it will be, i have it preordered] but is there a need to try and downgrade halo2 ?

 

[Sparta]

if it makes halo2 look so pathetic? why is halo2 goign to be more sucessfull [sell more etc].

Biggest Marketing Campaign EVER

That was a stupid question, really.

 

[dart321]

ok simply answer the question in my post, what makes halo 2 online so fun, like what features, what modes, what gameplay ?? are u able to name any ?? if u can name any, explain why they make halo 2 better than other games, such as css, ut2004, bf, etc.

Exactly what destruckt said. I don't know if its the balanced gameplay or the level design or what. It's just pure solid fun. Other examples of this is COD, nothing new MP wise, but its solid and polished. If you rate games only if they bring something new to the table, then you're missing out on alot of great games.

Now on another note: Halo has brought a good deal of features to multiplayer gaming. 2 weapon slots and the grenade trigger we're made widely known by Halo. Split-Screen gaming on a TV console was never attempted before Halo (I think, I'm really not sure).

It seems by the look of things that you people have to constantly keep finding "flaws" (you're opinion, not mine) to reassure yourself that you're not missing anything special. Half of you people probably don't even own an Xbox and you just don't want to admit you're gonna miss out on very good game. Not revolutionary by any means, but good.

The mods for HL2 are the thing that really outshines Halo 2. Seeing as how you can't have mods on a console (yet) I really don't see a reason to fault Bungie.

 

[seinfeldrules]

So you don't have to go looking for health packs. Just wait for your shields to recharge.

Do you think they upped the shield hp then? I never really played Halo 1 except on the PC, and never played MP as it was awful. Halo 2 seems excellent though.

 

[Sparta]

Exactly what destruckt said. I don't know if its the balanced gameplay or the level design or what. It's just pure solid fun. Other examples of this is COD, nothing new MP wise, but its solid and polished. If you rate games only if they bring something new to the table, then you're missing out on alot of great games.

balanced gameplay and Halo in the same sentence, does not compute

Unless you're talking about Halo 2, which i haven't played yet.

 

[destrukt]

what's so amazing about halflife2 ? your in a secret facitily [whoa, originality jsut knocked me off my chair], you have to fight some aliens who are trying to take over a facility because they have been teleported with/tampered with by scientists [doom3, other games ?], you then have to escape [escaping is original].

there's halife in a nutshell. see how crap and unoriginal it sounds? it's just the way you word it.

sparta so it is going to be successfull, there allows peopel to say halo2 is better. better find a better response to that answer to backup hl2.

 

[Sparta]

sparta so it is going to be successfull, there allows peopel to say halo2 is better. better find a better response to that answer to backup hl2.

Edit: Wait i gotcha now

The more the public knows about it, the more people are going to play the game. simply because a game sells well and more people see it does not mean its a better game then a game then less people know about it.

take "The Longest Journey" for example. I'm playing through it now and its one of the best games i've ever played. Barely anyone but hardcore adventure fans have heard of it. Simply because a game isn't as successful financially or publicly as another game, doesnt mean its better.

 

[Alig]

if it makes halo2 look so pathetic? why is halo2 goign to be more sucessfull [sell more etc].

HL2 is on a whole new level of FPS from the information we have on it. Nothing like it has been made before and it will make Halo2 look shit (it might not be shit for a console game - fair enough i give in, i cba with this anymore) in everything expect gameplay, which i still think HL2 will be far more fun from previous experience of Halo (on both Xbox and PC). HL2 is like the supreme FPS in everything expect graphics and most probably sound [which doom3 has the upper hand] (i dont give a **** about ratings because thats just 1 other persons opinion. they are no different than yours or mine).

Halo2 might sell more than HL2 at first but over the years i doubt it will. Should we take a bet that in 1 month you can't hear an echo of a Halo2 thread?. Halo2 fansites will have nothing on them either...they may very well still be packed with people but what will they be talking about? :| How they beat the game in 2 hours? How many times they can roll a vehicle over?. Exactly, this forum however will be just as active as it is now, if not even more active because HL2 does'nt end when the end credits come up like Halo2 does. Oh yeah and if its about what sells the most then Halo2 will look Kreed if you put its sales next to GTA:San Andreas.

 

[dart321]

balanced gameplay and Halo in the same sentence, does not compute

Unless you're talking about Halo 2, which i haven't played yet.

Halo's gameplay was balanced. Everything fit. What didn't you think was balanced?

 

[Alig]

what's so amazing about halflife2 ? your in a secret facitily [whoa, originality jsut knocked me off my chair], you have to fight some aliens who are trying to take over a facility because they have been teleported with/tampered with by scientists [doom3, other games ?], you then have to escape [escaping is original].

there's halife in a nutshell. see how crap and unoriginal it sounds? it's just the way you word it.

sparta so it is going to be successfull, there allows peopel to say halo2 is better. better find a better response to that answer to backup hl2.

Was that at me?

I could'nt care less if i saw the enemies/monsters appear right infront of me out of thin air (not even teleported in!!). I could'nt care less if HL2's story didn't exsist, i simply liked HL1's gameplay THAT WAS IT and have faith in Valve to not spoil that element. Edit/ Of course, its going to be fun dropping a 2 tonne metal box on the enemies heads but that isn't why i think HL2 will be the best FPS. I'm not even a HL fanboy either. I much prefer FarCry over HL1 now. But i'm sure i'll prefer HL2 over FarCry.

 

[destrukt]

i'm not basing off sales that halo2 will be better, i don't ever compare the 2 games directly trying to prove which is better.

i'm trying to help others understand how wrong they are being and how then can better themselves by comparing 2 different games, on differenet platforms on false pretexts.

lol, i was trying to quote you when you first posted, but when i hit quote it came up with the new response, it started to freak me out.

 

[Sparta]

Halos gameplay was balanced. Everything fit. What didn't you think was balanced?

Single-player was balanced, Multiplayer was horribly unbalanced.

even the Bungie guys have said that were some major issues with Halo's multiplayer that they've fixed for Halo 2.

Take the pistol in Halo for example.

Its the best weapon in the game. Its powerful, its accurate, fast and it has a zoom feature. Its the king of the Halo Multiplayer arena. I remember playing guys on LAN and kicking ass just using the pistol alone.

And wait a second, i'm not a HL2 fanboy. If the game turns out to be crap, i'll be disappointed but i wont crawl into a corner and cry like some people here would do.

 

[dart321]

Single-player was balanced, Multiplayer was horribly unbalanced.

even the Bungie guys have said that were some major issues with Halo's multiplayer that they've fixed for Halo 2.

Take the pistol in Halo for example.

Its the best weapon in the game. Its powerful, its accurate, fast and it has a zoom feature. Its the king of the Halo Multiplayer arena. I remember playing guys on LAN and kicking ass just using the pistol alone

Maybe so. We never have a problem with it because we counter it with a shotgun. You get up close with a shotgun and the pistol does not stand a chance.

And you, by far, are the more reasonable anti-Halo guy. I didn't mean you we're a fanboy.

 

[destrukt]

bungie recognised their mistake and changed it for halo2.

like the assault rifle sucking, they've added the new [and better] one.

so halo2 will be a massive improvement upon halo: combat evolved.

 

[Sparta]

Maybe so. We never have a problem with it because we counter it with a shotgun. You get up close with a shotgun and the pistol does not stand a chance.

Not on the other side of the map. And yes they have changed it, but other then that, i'm not hearing any really big difference in gameplay, other then dual-wielding, car-jacking and no repetition (thank god).

Multi-player looks awesome, but like i said earlier, its like a B-grade version of UT 2004. Slower and with smaller and less amount of maps.

And Oh my ****ing god i'm not Anti-Halo. If i were Anti-Halo why the hell would i have pre-ordered Halo 2 AND have bought Xbox Live for it?

 

[dart321]

Not on the other side of the map

It's the same thing with a shotgun except you have to be on the same side of the map. See: balanced.

 

[Sparta]

It's the same thing with a shotgun except you have to be on the same side of the map. See: balanced.

No its not. Even if you are close enough to hit me with a few pellets, 5 shots to the head will have you down. Not to mention melee combat as well (that is an awesome feature). And what if i have the shotgun as well? Then i'm invincible