I love the British, you guys have balls

[oldagerocker]

I have alllot of respect for Galloway, wether I agree with him or not, I tihnk he's an excellent, very astute polititian and any party would welcome him into their party with open arms if he supported their policies.

Badger you're far too much of a womanizer to be a politician. you'd be all over the sun and shamed in seconds :E

 

[Korgoth]

Elchistonia is open for business...

"Yeah I was going to call it peter land, but the gay bar down by the airport already had that name" :E

/randomfamilyguygoodness

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I'd like for Canada's system to work more like the United Kingdom one in this regard.

Right now it's sort of a mish-mash of the UK and US ways of doing stuff (leaning mostly to the UK, but not enough). There's all the booing a heckling but it's not as transparent. It never gets any public recognition unless it's small enough to fit a soundbyte or is hyper-topical. There's also a lot less of this kind of interaction between the big leaders and the general public.
I'd love to see Martin or (especially) Harper just getting casually grilled on network TV on a regular basis.

I guess what I'm saying is keep up the good work, UK!

 

[el Chi]

The heckling in Parliament can get a bit trying sometimes, though. It just looks like a mockery as certain politicians - let's take a good example and say, ooooh, Michael Howard especially - make snide little childish jibes that seem to steer clear of political debate in favour of petulance.

 

[Lobotomy Lobster]

The heckling in Parliament can get a bit trying sometimes, though. It just looks like a mockery as certain politicians - let's take a good example and say, ooooh, Michael Howard especially - make snide little childish jibes that seem to steer clear of political debate in favour of petulance.

I agree, but at the same time, I think it's better than if people were pulling their punches and not voicing their opinions. I think it is incredibly important that the PM is made to account for his actions in front of his peers at a regular interval.
Also, now Labour doesn't have such a large majority, we should see an end to this whole "President Blair" thing.

Elchistonia is open for business...

Mind if I join the madness?

 

[clarky003]

pah, Gallaway is so right, spot on.. the repubicans are just trying to shift the focus of the blame, in doing so they showed themselves up as a right bunch of hypocrit's.

 

[Feath]

pah, Gallaway is so right, spot on.. the repubicans are just trying to shift the focus of the blame, in doing so they showed themselves up as a right bunch of hypocrit's.

Shift the blame for what?

 

[SAJ]

Shift the blame for this perhaps? - http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5195222-103681,00.html

Its a link to a report that shows u.s government connived with(or turned a blind eye to) the majority of Iraqi oil smuggling, and profitted handsomely at the same time.

 

[Razor]

EH!?! another dig at wales :bonce:

* KoreBolteR turns red with anger


:E j/k

Hehehe, i am only joking . But for the record, Galloway is Scottish.

But it is strange that CptStern hasn't jumped into this thread, after all, Galloway is saying the same things that Stern says...infact...has anyone ever seen Galloway and Stern together, thought not...CptStern, are you Galloway?

 

[kirovman]

Hehehe, i am only joking . But for the record, Galloway is Scottish.

But it is strange that CptStern hasn't jumped into this thread, after all, Galloway is saying the same things that Stern says...infact...has anyone ever seen Galloway and Stern together, thought not...CptStern, are you Galloway?

Come to think of it...I've never seen them post a message at the same time here :O

 

[iyfyoufhl]

That guy is just a twat, he just stands for causing trouble. Everyone seems to be obcessed with making their own party so they can promote themselves, it does no good for anyone.

all he say is true though, isn't it?

 

[Solaris]

Ive just watched the video of George Gallows 'interview' by the US senate on the matter of him being accused, of trading oil with Iraq and benifitting from it. Something along those lines. However he has done IMO a wonderful job of defending himself, he has exposed the claims as a pack of lies, and shows how unfairly the senate has treated him. He speaks out agianst the corrution of the US senate, and against the war. He puts forward a fantastic argument.

I have been a long supporter of gallow way and his party 'Respect'. I personally consider him a Hero, and his opening speech is absoluteley fantastic. The first 15 minutes are the best, but i would recomend watching all the way through.

A throughley excellant 47minutes of my time. It was fantastic to see hime tell it straight.

Thoose guys got pwned!

These allegations are being made becuase he is far left they see him as a threat to their right wing establishment, and are making these false claims to destroy his reputation, he has not let that happen and I praise him for it.

 

[Sprafa]

Ive just watched the video of George Gallows 'interview' by the US senate on the matter of him being accused, of trading oil with Iraq and benifitting from it. Something along those lines. However he has done IMO a wonderful job of defending himself, he has exposed the claims as a pack of lies, and shows how unfairly the senate has treated him. He speaks out agianst the corrution of the US senate, and against the war. He puts forward a fantastic argument.

I have been a long supporter of gallow way and his party 'Respect'. I personally consider him a Hero, and his opening speech is absoluteley fantastic. The first 15 minutes are the best, but i would recomend watching all the way through.

A throughley excellant 47minutes of my time. It was fantastic to see hime tell it straight.

Thoose guys got pwned!

These allegations are being made becuase he is far left they see him as a threat to their right wing establishment, and are making these false claims to destroy his reputation, he has not let that happen and I praise him for it.

he might be guilry

 

[Feath]

he might be guilry

He could even be Guilty. Heh.

But anyway, I'll say this again. The Commitee is a partisan commitee. It consists of 7 Republican Senators and 6 Democrat Senators. And one of the Republican is the only Republican that voted against the Iraq war.

These are not just "pro-war Republicans".

 

[oldagerocker]

The board are finding out why the oil for food program was a sham. because certain people benefitted from it financially... like Galloway, as alledged. I dont know why they're still pressing it, he won his case against the telegraph (i think thats the paper)...

 

[Feath]

The board are finding out why the oil for food program was a sham. because certain people benefitted from it financially... like Galloway, as alledged. I dont know why they're still pressing it, he won his case against the telegraph (i think thats the paper)...

They say that they have different evidence.

 

[Solaris]

Have you seen the video, have you heard his side?

He was a strong opposer of the oil for food program.Their is NO substancial evidence against him. How can they make these claims with so little evidence?

 

[kirovman]

Have you seen the video, have you heard his side?

He was a strong opposer of the oil for food program.Their is NO substancial evidence against him. How can they make these claims with so little evidence?

Because he's Un-American

 

[Feath]

Have you seen the video, have you heard his side?

He was a strong opposer of the oil for food program.Their is NO substancial evidence against him. How can they make these claims with so little evidence?

Well, I heard his opening statement. But anyway, I'm just saying what the US say they have.

 

[UltraProAnti]

The board are finding out why the oil for food program was a sham. because certain people benefitted from it financially... like Galloway, as alledged. I dont know why they're still pressing it, he won his case against the telegraph (i think thats the paper)...

"Oil for Food Program is sham" = distraction from the fact that the sanctions that the OFFP was supposed to ameliorate killed 1.2M Iraqis, about 700,000 of which were children. (This was the death toll that Madeleine Albright said was "worth it" to 'contain' Saddam.) There then followed the war, with 20,000-100,000 killed, and "certain people benefitted from THAT financially". It's the same old story: minor crimes are pursued and obsessed over (the OFFP corruption scandal, prisoner abuse and allegations of flushing the Koran down the bog and menstruating on Gitmo internees etc) while the major crime (the war itself) is left unpunished.

 

[Solaris]

In galloways own words "It is the mother of all smoke screens".

 

[burner69]

Yeah, he's a twat, and if he's guilty he should be punished. I mean, if Saddam made money off of deals with Galloway then Galloway is basically an accessory to all of Saddam's crimes. (Although, I too am confused with it being a US thing as opposed to an international thing.)

But as far as his speech is concerned, he has a point.

Yeah if he's guilty he should be punished, but only if everyone else who benefitted from Saddam is as well. Which includes several countries, UK, US, Russia included.

I loved this beauty from him, after being asked about his 'many' meetings with Saddam.

It went something like this: "I met Saddam as many times as Rumsfeld, only I wasn't selling him weapons."
Brilliant.

 

[Kangy]

Yeah if he's guilty he should be punished, but only if everyone else who benefitted from Saddam is as well. Which includes several countries, UK, US, Russia included.

I loved this beauty from him, after being asked about his 'many' meetings with Saddam.

It went something like this: "I met Saddam as many times as Rumsfeld, only I wasn't selling him weapons."
Brilliant.

It's a shame that those accusing him weren't witty enough to come back hilariously to that, really.

Galloway is an arse, I despise him.

 

[Razor]

It's a shame that those accusing him weren't witty enough to come back hilariously to that, really.

Galloway is an arse, I despise him.

But would you rather him win or the US senate and the US government?

 

[Solaris]

Him, hes a hero and is exposing the corrupt elite as they really are.

 

[Kangy]

But would you rather him win or the US senate and the US government?

The US senate and government. Galloway is no modern day Robin Hood. He's a cunning, greedy bugger who'll play anything he can get a hold of. Much like the government, but at least they tried to get rid of Saddam later on in his regime, unlike Galloway who continued to be his good buddy.

 

[Griz]

The US senate and government. Galloway is no modern day Robin Hood. He's a cunning, greedy bugger who'll play anything he can get a hold of. Much like the government, but at least they tried to get rid of Saddam later on in his regime, unlike Galloway who continued to be his good buddy.

Might i suggest you actually listen to the whole of Galloway's testimony. If you did you'd find that he repeatedly, and has publicly on many occassions, clearly stated that he deplores Saddam Hussein. Everybody seems to get the idea that just because he met with Saddam on just two occassions that he's Saddam's best buddy. Why does nobody make the same supposition of Rumsfeld whose purpose for his visits was to assist Saddam in acts of war whereas the purpose of George Galloway's visits were humanitarian (trying to get the sanctions lifted that were crippling the Iraqi people).

btw. Whilst i'm not a Galloway fan, i don't believe he's guilty of these charges (on the basis of the evidence, or lack of, presented so far) and his testimony before the senate was undoubtedly the best bit of politics i've seen in ages.

Edit: He's on Question Time now talking about this.

 

[Kangy]

Might i suggest you actually listen to the whole of Galloway's testimony. If you did you'd find that he repeatedly, and has publicly on many occassions, clearly stated that he deplores Saddam Hussein. Everybody seems to get the idea that just because he met with Saddam on just two occassions that he's Saddam's best buddy. Why does nobody make the same supposition of Rumsfeld whose purpose for his visits was to assist Saddam in acts of war whereas the purpose of George Galloway's visits were humanitarian (trying to get the sanctions lifted that were crippling the Iraqi people).

btw. Whilst i'm not a Galloway fan, i don't believe he's guilty of these charges (on the basis of the evidence, or lack of, presented so far) and his testimony before the senate was undoubtedly the best bit of politics i've seen in ages.

Edit: He's on Question Time now talking about this.

Yeah I'm watching him. Nice to see him riding this little train all the way to power.

Him saying that in his testimony is all nice and good, but it was him acting buddy buddy with him not too long ago. It's those little things that really make him seem like a completely dishonest bugger.

 

[Solaris]

Look what do you understand about Gallowway? Do you know much about his party respect, do you know about his previous political background?
He was protesting on the streets against the war,along with me and thousands of others. He has campiagned to stop this witchhunt agains asylum seekers. He has always condemed Sadam and the USA and Britian for aiding him. He was a Strong voice against the 'oil for food program' which killed a million Iraqis, most of them children.

The fact that anyone can call him a greedy bugger is beyound belief. Have a look at the real culprit, lets have a look at who REALLY benifited from the war, what about dick cheneys oil company that he recieves payments from, they got a contract. Have a look at all the companies involved in STEALING Iraqs oil. I belive at the momet 6BillionDollars worth of Iraqs oil is unaccounted for. Yet you can call a good man tring to help dying children a greedy bugger.

 

[Feath]

Look what do you understand about Gallowway? Do you know much about his party respect, do you know about his previous political background?
He was protesting on the streets against the war,along with me and thousands of others. He has campiagned to stop this witchhunt agains asylum seekers. He has always condemed Sadam and the USA and Britian for aiding him. He was a Strong voice against the 'oil for food program' which killed a million Iraqis, most of them children.

The fact that anyone can call him a greedy bugger is beyound belief. Have a look at the real culprit, lets have a look at who REALLY benifited from the war, what about dick cheneys oil company that he recieves payments from, they got a contract. Have a look at all the companies involved in STEALING Iraqs oil. I belive at the momet 6BillionDollars worth of Iraqs oil is unaccounted for. Yet you can call a good man tring to help dying children a greedy bugger.

Why did he stand for election in Bethnal Green and Bow?

 

[Solaris]

To win, I'm not sure if that was it. He stood in east London somewhere, howver otehr members of his party have stood in other places, and the reason is to win.

 

[Feath]

To win, I'm not sure if that was it. He stood in east London somewhere, howver otehr members of his party have stood in other places, and the reason is to win.

So it was easier to win because he stood in an area with 45,000 muslims against a black, jewish woman?

 

[SAJ]

Edit; On second thoughts Ill just leave it alone.
Apologies.

 

[Feath]

Well, Ive just been to Oona King`s official labour party page, and I dont see any reference to her religion(not that it should matter beyond your reference), but I did see this:

"Travelled to Palestine and then raised human rights abuses of Palestinians. Launched boycott of Israeli products"

But what you suggest about the muslim population has some truth to it, the choice of seat was undoubtedly tactical in that GG would be well aware that his anti-war stance would be better received by those who might more readily identify with Iraqi civilians , rather than the U.S government.

Well, that and Galloway claimed that the US was raging a war against Muslims:

Mr Galloway raised the temperature at that first clash by accusing the government of being part of a "war on Muslims". While Ms King said her support for Saddam Hussein's overthrow had been principled, Mr Galloway said his candidature represented the "ghost of Labour's past" come back to haunt her.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4519575.stm

And about Oona King; her mother was Jewish:

Ms King, who is black, said the fact her mother was Jewish had come up repeatedly "in a quite disturbing way".

"As a kid it was always 'oi, you ******', 'you wog' and all the rest of it and now it was 'yids', 'you Jewish bitch, get out of here', all of that sort of stuff."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4535885.stm

 

[SAJ]

Yeah , I got that.
I edited my post after looking further. That and the fact that I didnt think it was appropriate for me to bring a candidates religion into an arguement. Part of the reaction was suspicion of your motives for bringing it up,and for that I appologise.

I also read her father was an American civil rights worker.
Its a shame we couldnt have both of them really,as from past records King vs Galloway arguments are quite entertaining, in firey kind of way.

 

[Solaris]

You cannot hold it against him, becuase he won over a black jewish woman.
She was black and jewish, and all people should be aloud into politics. However, just becuase she was black does not mean she was the best candidate.

 

[Kangy]

He was protesting on the streets against the war,along with me and thousands of others. He has campiagned to stop this witchhunt agains asylum seekers. He has always condemed Sadam and the USA and Britian for aiding him. He was a Strong voice against the 'oil for food program' which killed a million Iraqis, most of them children.

I belive at the momet 6BillionDollars worth of Iraqs oil is unaccounted for. Yet you can call a good man tring to help dying children a greedy bugger.

Fantastic! Vote Lib Dems, it's exactly the same thing, only, rather ironically, somewhat respectable! If you knew anything about his past career, you'd know that he's had many dodgy deals,

I think he's just as guilty as taking Iraq's oil as anyone in the US is, the only difference being that he pretends to be some voice of good and all that is hopeful.

He loves to hype himself up. "Most sensational election result" my arse. It was a simple matter of rallying up an extremist Muslim vote.

 

[Solaris]

I know alot about his past career.
I will not vote lib dem and this is a reason why. They have Lords in their party. The arrogance of this title angors me. Why are they a lord, becuase they were born into a certain familly. They are not superior to me, or a better person yet the title theve adopted states they are. This just shows that they are not built for the average joe, teh working class. They are a bunch of rich people trying to get into power by apealing to the working class. However Respect (Galloways Party), are built by and for the working class.

Respect practise equality. Both parties (lib dems and Respect) opposed the war, however the Lib dems made a small speech in the hosue of commons saying how, they would not support a war without UN backing, but if war did happen they would support it. However we (respect) were on teh front line, in the streets and the palcards along with many others, george galloway himself was.

Respect are not about comprimise and talks. Respect are for what is right in this country, we will not fall to pressure or as George Gallow has proven let wild allegations against us stand. When the daily express printed its 'false' claims on George Galloway he took them to court, and shown the world taht these appers were false and he was an innocent man. These right wing papers ocnstantley try and dismiss him, I was reading an artivle in the times about him, and the critism had nothing to do with his politics, but his age appearnace and accent. This sort of childish name calling, is an atempt for the right wing establish ments and governments to try and tarnish his reputation. They cannot argue abotu real facts becuase he always comes out on top. Instead they just try and dissmiss him as 'loony left' and the such. This, as he is now an MP, is obviously not working. So if you are going to dissmiss him please try and provide a bit more strength to your argument, than calling him a crazy twat. If you can.



Solaris

 

[MjM]

"I met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is that Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns, and to give him maps the better to target those guns."
--George Galloway, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, 05/17/05'

Classic. Good to see someone who annunciates and doesn't look like a whiney prat(Senator Norm Coleman). All in all i hope it was a positive experience for US opposition politicians.

 

[SAJ]

"we will not fall to pressure or as George Gallow has proven let wild allegations against us stand."
Just out of interest solaris, are you speaking as a member of respect or just a supporter.