I respect these kids

Agreed. The whole anti-emo thing is just ****ing stupid.
 
What're they getting mad about? The fact that they're getting beat up and discriminated against just gives them more fuel to cry about. If emos didn't have anything to whine about they'd just go away; the punks and metalheads are preserving their subculture.
 
If it's how they choose to live then let them be. They aren't harming anyone. Everyone deserves respect unless they do something to void that. They haven't.
 
I thought emos were suposed to suffer, and enjoyed it
 
I think both the emos and the anti-emos are all morons.

This is a lulzy situation though.
 
Darkside55 said:
What're they getting mad about? The fact that they're getting beat up and discriminated against just gives them more fuel to cry about. If emos didn't have anything to whine about they'd just go away; the punks and metalheads are preserving their subculture.
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I'm pretty sure they spawned from the whole angst scene that punks and metalheads were built off of.
 
Personally I think that any person choosing to make depression and sadness his or hers lifestyle is indeed a moron.. They will have enough unwanted depression and sandness when (if) they reach old age
 
Oh, sorry. I thought you meant you dont' respect ANY emo kids just because of how they choose to live. I can understand not respecting people who want to have stupid street fights.
 
What's with you people saying, "everybody deserves respect?"

Nobody deserves respect. You earn respect.
 
You should respect people you don't know, because you don't know everything they've done in their life and so how do you know they haven't "earned" respect already. It's just a basic human courtesy. Don't judge people or assume.

Though of course if you do witness them earning respect, you can respect them even more then. They can ascend from the level of basic human respect to "hey, this guy really has done something good, I have a first-hand reason to respect him, based on my own opinions of what I know about who he is or what he has done"
 
I always hate everybody at first site, and usually people win my respect,save for some exceptions. Hell, me and my best friend met when we had a punch fight
 
its not about "Hey, I'm better than you" its about "Hey, I'm emo, get over it and ignore me." its not a streetfight, but a demonstration.
 
Most emos in my country are 10 to 17 year old girls, which says a lot in my opinion... There are those who are older, but those are just really really sad people
 
zombieturtle01 said:
Not saying it's wrong to be weird (obviously, look at how I dress) but christ, look at them, all a bunch of f*cking drones "the emos", "the punks", "the metal heads", everyone of them thinks they are different. But are they really?

My question is, whatever happened to just being a person?
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When I was in high school there were certain groups, and it was easy to spot them by the way they dressed. Get in where you fit in I guess. I was always in one of these crowds myself.


At the time, it all seemed so normal, but now it's a shame.

I have some younger friends at work. About 20. cool as ****ing hell, but it seems like they aren't allowed to like certain things.

Like, if I say I like this song from (insert music group here), they will be like, "that emo shit", or "that gangsta shit", or whatever. I would say, come to this party, hang out, and when everyone is loving that song and dancing and having a blast or whatever, you tell me why I saw you nodding your head if it's so horrible.

I prefer to like whatever the hell I want. not being allowed to like certain things because they are from a different group culture is immature and stupid.

You can tell, because I listen to whatever kind of music I like. I go up to this really cool black dude from work, and let him listen to death metal from my headphones, and he bobs his head. The next day, I'll be playing something completely different and he nods with approval when he hears it. Do you think he would respects me or like me more if I only ever played rap or whatever? I like some of the music he likes too.


Just be yourself, who you were your entire life, or you will never be respected. Like whatever you like. Don't be ashamed of anything you like no matter what it is.

Try to be open minded.
 
Tarkus said:
Most emos in my country are 10 to 17 year old girls, which says a lot in my opinion... There are those who are older, but those are just really really sad people
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Emos generally don't exist past high school.
 
Darkside55 said:
What's with you people saying, "everybody deserves respect?"

Nobody deserves respect. You earn respect.
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Pfft. Everybody gets basic human respect which is like I don't restrict their liberties by killing them or eating their elbows. This is because without other people I would not exist as an individual nor a physical body.

Zombieturtle, are you really suggesting that these 'emos' are bringing it upon themselves by being flamoboyantly different and giving themselves labels? In practical terms that may be true, but in moral terms, it is absurd. It's like the old argument about how gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt because the kids would be teased at school - an argument which essentially reduces, with not much distortion, to "some people are vicious idiots. give the idiots free handjobs".

No matter how retarded a movement is, its mere ostentatiousness, or difference from the norm - even if deliberately provocative, or provocatively different - is no justification for the removal of its liberties by the likes of thugs.

Moralising aside, this is pretty absurd and hilarious.
 
But my point is they shouldn't have to fight for anything serious. Everyone should have the right to obnovious hair. Everyone should have the right to "act angsty and annoy the shit out of everyone" if it doesn't actually become a break in liberty.

I don't mean to compare the two 'struggles' to each other, but rather simply implicate that there is a similar mentality involved whereby one shifts blame from the aggressor to the victim for 'provocation' that remains within the remit of what a just society should have the integrity and strength to tolerate (the issue of whether or not gays chose to be gay is to me irrelevant when arguing about the morality of their actions - they harm no-one, therefore are not immoral). Bringing in rape, and the old "she was asking for it" chestnut, would probably be a fair example, but that's such an inflammatory comparrison, you know? It's a little ridiculous because it's so severe - even though actually it might be a better parallel to draw, the girl in question choosing to wear 'provocative' clothing.

You don't care if they get their asses beaten because...they're dressing like twats, then getting organised when other group start beating them up for it? :p

God, what wankers!

So again, it's this I find ridiculous:

But these kids go out of their way to get their asses kicked, they put these stupid labels upon themself such as "emo" and then try to make a big scene about it. For what? Freedom? No, absolutely nothing.
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If doing what they are doing is "going out of their way" for violence, the culture in question has problems. And yes, it is for freedom - the freedom not to be delibertied for something as essentially harmless (indeed, as beneficial) as difference, and for the right to be pointless.
 
I've gotta go with emos here. Wearing make-up and doing your hair like Goku cause it's cool is kind of stupid, but protesting against a fashion sense trumps it hands down.
 
It's funny, because real emo, back in the late 80's/early 90's, was a really rough n' tumble genre - some of the most energetic and rawest live gigs were performed by some of the actual emo bands back then like Rites of Spring. Not that I can talk, having only sat gawping at Youtube videos and wishing so very much to of been born earlier, but punk and metal these days... shit, the ''fans'' you see thesedays would have a right run for their money at a Funeral Diner show.

But I'm ranting, and regardless of my angry ethics on what kids call emo these days (it's dead, alright? It died long, long ago and it was most certainly not this form over function rubbish you see today. See also: picture in link) the concept of attacking or bullying someone for how they dress or what they listen to is one of the things I've hated growing up listening to music that would be considered 'alternative' as I know exactly how it feels. Well, not on riot-scale like this, but the whole bullying thing... it sucks.
 
I entirely emphasise. Personally I tear my hair out that the modern genre of 'punk rock' - apparently encompassing Fall Out Boy - has quite little to do with actual punk. It confuses and angers me.
 
Kay, well you've gone from "they deserve it" to "I don't care" from what I can tell.
 
VirusType2 said:
When I was in high school there were certain groups, and it was easy to spot them by the way they dressed. Get in where you fit in I guess. I was always in one of these crowds myself.


At the time, it all seemed so normal, but now it's a shame.

I have some younger friends at work. About 20. cool as ****ing hell, but it seems like they aren't allowed to like certain things.

Like, if I say I like this song from (insert music group here), they will be like, "that emo shit", or "that gangsta shit", or whatever. I would say, come to this party, hang out, and when everyone is loving that song and dancing and having a blast or whatever, you tell me why I saw you nodding your head if it's so horrible.

I prefer to like whatever the hell I want. not being allowed to like certain things because they are from a different group culture is immature and stupid.

You can tell, because I listen to whatever kind of music I like. I go up to this really cool black dude from work, and let him listen to death metal from my headphones, and he bobs his head. The next day, I'll be playing something completely different and he nods with approval when he hears it. Do you think he would respects me or like me more if I only ever played rap or whatever? I like some of the music he likes too.


Just be yourself, who you were your entire life, or you will never be respected. Like whatever you like. Don't be ashamed of anything you like no matter what it is.

Try to be open minded.
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This. :D
 
zombieturtle01 said:
Yes everyone has the right to dress flamboyantly, but like I said, I don't care about either group. But still, I don't see why the emo kid couldn't just dress flamboyantly and leave it at that? why did he have to go out and label himself "emo"?

...
I know my comparison seems stupid, but that's exactly my point, this whole issue is stupid, both groups are stupid, and I don't care about either of them because they are both generally stupid.
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Oh, no doubt they're all collossal nonces, but saying "both sides are stupid" establishes a mutuality that is false.

The Angry Salami Guys are spontaneously committing violence against the Sad Keyboard Heads because of behaviour a free society should allow.
The Sad Keyboard Heads are non-violently demonstrating in response.

They are quite polarised and creating a kind of equivalence between them doesn't explicitly but does implicitly mean saying "the emo kids kinda deserve it". :p
Why do they need to label themselves emo? I don't know, but asking that question still shifts focus in a pretty bizarre manner onto the group which is patently the victim. The correct question to ask is, rather, why shouldn't they?

WHY DO THOSE RAPE VICTIMS WEAR SUCH PROVOCATIVE CLOTHING SURELY THEY COULD JUST PUT ON A LITTLE MAKE-UP
This is a rape issue, zombie turtle. What are you, a rapist?
 
What the **** is a rockabilly?


Anyways... don't have to respect the emo kids, but they also do not deserve to be attacked.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Pfft. Everybody gets basic human respect which is like I don't restrict their liberties by killing them or eating their elbows.
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Everybody should get basic human tolerance.

And you should really look into emo-elbows. The meat's salted from all the tears and it comes pre-cut.
 
As long as they've died by natural causes. I'm an ethical eater.
Of course, in this case, it is prudent to accept a pretty wide definition of 'natural'...
 
Sometimes the meat is a little too dark. Sometimes I think when they process it they don't do a good job of cleaning up that black makeup.
 
zombieturtle01 said:
edit: veg, i don't believe i once actually said "they diserve it" i think i stated from the begining "i don't care what happens to them" I checked my posts to make sure I didn't slip up. :p
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I wasn't quoting you. I was summing up my impression of your opinion.

So now I will quote you:

"But these kids go out of their way to get their asses kicked,"

You're saying what they are doing warrants them to get their asses kicked, or naturally results in getting their asses kicked. Or that them getting their asses kicked is an acceptable outcome. Essentially you're saying they deserve it.
 
What're they getting mad about? The fact that they're getting beat up and discriminated against just gives them more fuel to cry about. If emos didn't have anything to whine about they'd just go away; the punks and metalheads are preserving their subculture.
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Emo is just short for Emo-tional. So, what? Are emotions out but hawt raw buttsechs in?

What are we? Rock Band Borg?
 
Damn that's a lotta emos.

And holy shit, when I saw this thread title I smirked and thought it was going to be an Onion article.
 
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