Ignorant White Women

[CptStern]

Here in Texas we have many militias, some that I am damn proud of.

it wouldnt be too hard for the government to denouce these militias as unamerican and dangerous to the freedoms of the citizens of america...hey if they can sell the majority of the citizens that invading a country is the right thing to I dont think it would be all that difficult to turn the public against any militia group powerful enough to overthrow the government

 

[GhostValkyrie]

We were a foreign nation that joined the US. Sometimes secessino is damn tempting.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

it wouldnt be too hard for the government to denouce these militias as unamerican and dangerous to the freedoms of the citizens of america...hey if they can sell the majority of the citizens that invading a country is the right thing to I dont think it would be all that difficult to turn the public against any militia group powerful enough to overthrow the government

You couldn't be more wrong. At least about Texas. We tressure our militias, no one will take them away. And besides, you're talking about invading another country. If anyone stood for the Govt. seizing control of Militias, Texas would not be one of them.

 

[CptStern]

You couldn't be more wrong. At least about Texas. We tressure our militias, no one will take them away. And besides, you're talking about invading another country. If anyone stood for the Govt. seizing control of Militias, Texas would not be one of them.

it all depends on the spin the media puts on it

 

[Direwolf]

Nah, too many people paranoid about the media. Fewer and fewer people dont check another source before believing something these days, especially when it comes to something so dire.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Trust me. It wouldn't work.
And if it did, it would be civil war.

 

[CptStern]

exactly my point...they wouldnt stand a chance against the US army

 

[Direwolf]

Hehe....too bad the army live here. I'd be damned if most of or even any of the army would go through with something like that.

 

[CptStern]

but you cant deny the army has in the past killed american civilians with little to no provocation. Kent state 1970

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I never said that I Denied it. I'm addressing a different issue.

 

[Direwolf]

Something insane like that is an exception, and likely only happens with the right people in the wrong situation. We're talking something far more full scale here.

 

[CptStern]

but it all ties together...my point is that at the time the army felt it was doing the right thing, that they were in danger. The media intially picked up on this, but after the investigation it was clear that they had intentionally fired on the students. You have to remember that at the time most americans were for the war in vietnam and that most thought the students were "a bunch of hippy rabble rousers"...the massacre changed all that

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Oh please, the American army wouldn't stand a chance against a large-scale civilian uprising. Are you people going to say a bunch of Iraqi insurgents can defeat the US Army, but millions of heavily armed civilians can't?

 

[CptStern]

they would never allow it get to that level. they would declare martial law from the very get go and the army would be patrolling the streets arresting anyone who didnt comply with the martial law. Look how quickly they reacted to the LA riots...the mob had no organization

 

[Kadayi]

With the things that go on here I can understand. I myself am disappointed at what's going on. While I'm overtly patriotic, my reasons are different than the simple "I'm bettar than you attitude.", posted my reasons earlier. I think of this country as the host to people of different cultures. However, the people have merged these cultures into this Immoral mecha of advertisements, blindingly overt narcism, criminal symapthyzation, and pure idiocy. Yes, the Media as we know. Anyone who talks on me one on one knows I'm not a blind patriot, but this nolonger feels like an Anti-America debate, so I can really go without having to defend myself at the moment.
Like I said, I love America for what its foundations and out of respect for how lucky I am to be here.

Terrorism is not acceptable. However, I can certainly understand the feeling that there's this looming immorality in pieces of American culture. I feel the same way. I love America, but we've taken a really bad turn over the years. That doesn't make us bad at all, especially those of us trying to change it, and doesn't warrant outright hate and Anti-Americanism(especially when some of the people dishing it are in countries with similar problems), but we certainly need to step back and look at where we went wrong.

Ghost

I'm not having a go at the US, I was just saying that with 9/11 the world view was one that allowed the invasion of Afganistan and the pursuit of Bin Laden. However the invasion of iraq is a different matter. Despite Saddams nature, the grounds for invasion were always suspect, and the subsequent fallout due to a myriad range of issues hasn't been a positive points winner for the USA in the eyes of the Middle East, which isn't a good thing.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Ghost

I'm not having a go at the US, I was just saying that with 9/11 the world view was one that allowed the invasion of Afganistan and the pursuit of Bin Laden. However the invasion of iraq is a different matter. Despite Saddams nature, the grounds for invasion were always suspect, and the subsequent fallout due to a myriad range of issues hasn't been a positive points winner for the USA in the eyes of the Middle East, which isn't a good thing.

I was agreeing that we can't change the minds of the Arab world at this rate. In fact, the damage done through mistakes has made their own propaganda look like bold fact. The other part of the paragraph was just me stating that terrorism isn't right. It will take decades of influence, hopefully healthy relations wil Afghanistan and Iraq, and help from allied nations to bring the Arab world around.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

they would never allow it get to that level. they would declare martial law from the very get go and the army would be patrolling the streets arresting anyone who didnt comply with the martial law. Look how quickly they reacted to the LA riots...the mob had no organization

The mob was just a bunch of of people using Rodney King and other instances of brutality as an excuse to loot stores, rape, women, and burn entire neighborhoods. It wasn't an uprising, it was chaos. These were criminals trying to win through force with no tactics. Militias and military men are smarter than that. Hell, civilians with a goal are a hell of a lot smarter than that. These criminals had no goal, only self-gain. You can't try to make the LA riots an example of an attempted over-throw, it was just a large mass of hoodlums destroying shit and killing people.

Besides, I'm not the only one awaiting the Govt. to make it's gambit, many people suspect the same could happen, and the Militias are more than prepared for such a thing.

 

[CptStern]

but these are small pockets ...do you think the average american is prepared to fight their government? Heck if it was me, I'd take my family and move to canada. Most people equate militia groups with fanatics, aryan groups and radicals. I'm not saying they are all like that but the public preception is that they are outside the law, that they dont respect the government and are borderline terrorist groups. Not sure how it is in texas but most people equate militias with the likes of terry nichols, timothy mcveigh, the unabomber etc

 

[amneziac85]

I disagree about taking guns away lowering the death at all. In fact, it would jump. Remember what happened when we did away with the death penalty? It was like a candy store for murderers, it quickly became an even worse problem than before.

This has to be the most ridiculous post ever on HL2.net

So you think if there were no guns then more people would die. Um...OK, exactly how would they die? Everyone is going to turn into Zorro?

Second, I dont remember when they "did away with the death penalty", as a matter of fact, no one does. It never happened.

A criminal is a criminal, I really doubt saying "hey we wont kill you, but we'll put you in a little cell for life!" is gonna hurt the crime rate. As a matter of fact, i hope you do kill me, f*ck that little cell. Point is, how many people who actually commit a crime are really thinking of the scary ol death penalty? If they actually thought they would be caught period, they wouldnt be doing it.

 

[amneziac85]

Besides, I'm not the only one awaiting the Govt. to make it's gambit, many people suspect the same could happen, and the Militias are more than prepared for such a thing.

Riiight, and let me guess, the American military consists of...the Chinese! Last time I checked, it was Americans in the AMERICAN army.

All these militias are a bunch of people who are scared of everything and who needs guns to feel like a man. Get over the civil war, it was a long time ago. We all have learned what happens when these militias try to do something, its called Oklahoma city, the unabomber and WACO. Why dont you militias go and find Bin Laden and stop blowing up buildings, setting houses on fire and instigating your kids to take your guns to shoot up the local high school.

And by the way, no one got raped or killed during the riots, and if you had actually known what you were talking about, you would know this.

 

[Direwolf]

Wow....well that was stupid.
Something good to point out is that "militia" often refers to the national gaurds (air national guard, normal national guard etc).
They're as well trained and equally equipped as the real army.

 

[amneziac85]

Wow....well that was stupid.
Something good to point out is that "militia" often refers to the national gaurds (air national guard, normal national guard etc).
They're as well trained and equally equipped as the real army.

Um, thats not what militia refers too, it refers to a group of guys who train with each other to stop anyone who wants to challenge them. the national gaurd is the military.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

This has to be the most ridiculous post ever on HL2.net

So you think if there were no guns then more people would die. Um...OK, exactly how would they die? Everyone is going to turn into Zorro?

How are you going to take every gun away from every criminal? That's my point, you can't. If you could take guns away from criminals I'd lean more towards your idea, but you can't, so it's dumb.

 

[Direwolf]

Um, thats not what militia refers too, it refers to a group of guys who train with each other to stop anyone who wants to challenge them. the national gaurd is the military.

Thats what it refers to in the US Constitution.
The national guard was conceived as an officially sanctioned version of the individual state's militias. If you just throw the word around it can be difficult to make the distinction.

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

Im sorry if i go over some other posts however Im too tired to read 7 pages and Ill just post concerning the first page.

Damn how I hate those self appointed moral guardians.They see something that offends their narrow sensibilities and over reacts without taking into consideration the fact that some teenagers (No matter what their back ground) are gonna react that way.Its universal,if you went into any school in the world and put on that same show there would be people applauding and cat calling during the "Chamber Scene" in Hamlet.(I know because I was there earlier this year)

This reminds me of the Parents Council at our school.The are for lack of better words,Facists.This year they banned Coca Cola as in their eyes it made us hyper completely ignoreing the fact that some of us were living off the stuff.Also they seem oblivious of the fact that the group running the canteen have been upping prices all year for "food" I wouldnt feed to an animal.Even worse they have mandatory charity donations every time they want good publicity.I wouldnt mind so much if there wasnt an alterier motive and if it wasnt mandatory.

And may I suggest a change of the forum name to "Ignorant Self-Appointed Moral guardians" Just a thought