I'm fed up with religion. /rant

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this is you guys.
 
Saturos said:
Here I thought all atheists/eggheads agreed with one another, that it was impossible to disagree with any agnostic/atheist point of view?
Are you guys telling me there's more than one way to "not believe in a god?!"

Oh well. This site is Atheist2.net.

BTW, I call some agnostics "eggheads". Cause you know, "ag-nos-tic" kinda reminds me of "egg-nos-tic". *Shit Nevermind*

/leaves thread
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Being atheist simply means we dont believe in god. It doesnt mean we agree on anything else, be it evolution, big bang theory, or even the "why" of our disbelief in god.
 
Krynn72 said:
Being atheist simply means we dont believe in god. It doesnt mean we agree on anything else, be it evolution, big bang theory, or even the "why" of our disbelief in god.
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You never miss a chance to "inform" me do you Krynn? Bunghole. :p
 
i think i have the ultimate solution:


arguing if god exist or not is fruitless, BUT...if we put aside the presumption that there is or isn't a god and focus on the things in life that happened just after god or no god then science wins hands down. think of it as a straight line where "god or no god" is the point of start. arguing if the point exists or not is useless but an infinitesimally small distance away from that point science does or will have answer for.


it would be much more constructive if we argue about the practicality of there being a god. since science will eventually understand and be able to manipulate everything except that small starting point... so does it matter if there is a god? i think god is unnecessary first and foremost.
but if we must go radical...then...since science is disproving religious belief every day, then the logical assumption would be that god will be disproven eventually.


one final thought...if all life in the universe instantly stops believing in a god/s, what would happen to god?
 
Malfunction said:
If it doesn't disgust you, take a long hard look and ask yourself why.
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People disgust me sometimes, but religion doesn't and a simple reason why (personal to me, I'm british and it may be different where you live):
Out of the people that have threatened violence against me, I don't think any of them were relgious.
Out of the religious people that I know, all but one have been lovely lovely people (and that one was a lass who was a bit of bitch to me, religion didn't come into it).

Do you think I am over-simplifying things here?
 
wow you are so ****ing ignorant. nobody knows how the ****ing world started so why bash on ppl who have SOME SORT of idea?? the god idea is just as viable a theory as any other scientific /non scientific theory bc quite frankly. WHO THE **** KNOWS?!??! l2 respect other pplz beliefs.

and that thing you sed about your smart good friend... dude youre a ****ing nazi. its "ok" to have friends that believe certain things. coexist
 
aznafro said:
wow you are so ****ing ignorant. nobody knows how the ****ing world started so why bash on ppl who have SOME SORT of idea?? the god idea is just as viable a theory as any other scientific /non scientific theory bc quite frankly. WHO THE **** KNOWS?!??! l2 respect other pplz beliefs.

and that thing you sed about your smart good friend... dude youre a ****ing nazi. its "ok" to have friends that believe certain things. coexist
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some sort of idea...well yeah i have, it's the spaghetti monster, and he told me that every other religion is utterly wrong and that only he is right.



anyway...you see, atheist have the potential to coexist with others, religious people on the other hand theoretically cannot. since the atheist doesn't have any imaginary rules he is obligated to follow he is much more flexible, with religious persons conflict is inevitable.

i like so sum it up with...."i'd much rather live with a fundamentalist atheist than a fundamentalist religious person", i think this thought pretty much says it all.
 
@Dinkleberry: I think you are. It's not all about what affects us individually. It's not like I've been recently gang raped by a bunch of religious people. It's for so many reasons, one of which does happen to be violence and/or discrimination.

@aznafro: Haha, strong first post. >< I must have really upset you for you to register only to yell at me. Rawr. My response:

I'm not ignorant. I've examined religion from different points of view, both being involved in one, and now being separate from it, and I've seen the lies and deceit. I've seen violence and discrimination acted out in the name of God/Allah.

For the record, the God idea, in fact, is not as viable as any other scientific theory. You see, there's this funny thing with science where you have to have data and make connections between information, and then make plausible hypotheses, and one day hope to come to a conclusion. Thusfar, there has been no conclusion proving the existence of a God. Similarly, there has been no conclusion that there is not a God, but how can there be such a conclusion when there is literally no evidence or credible information to even begin to hypothesize on?

I respect other people's beliefs when they aren't dangerous. I know plenty of people (even other atheists) disagree with me, but I still stand by my position. With that said, I feel obligated to raise awareness. It's sort of like how this sad old Catholic guy stands outside of my high school each day to hand out pocket Bibles or fliers explaining why I'm going to burn in a lake of fire unless I praise Jesus. Except I don't sound quite as loony.

Also, I did address the whole "my friend turned out to be a religious nutjob" thing within this thread, but I can see you didn't read all of it (I can't blame you). I'm still friends with the guy. I just think less of him now. It's no different than if I found out one of my friends started snorting cocaine. Sure, he's still my friend, but I look at him differently. I'm not quite sure how I'm a Nazi though. I am part German...hmm...maybe.
 
aznafro said:
wow you are so ****ing ignorant. nobody knows how the ****ing world started so why bash on ppl who have SOME SORT of idea?? the god idea is just as viable a theory as any other scientific /non scientific theory bc quite frankly. WHO THE **** KNOWS?!??! l2 respect other pplz beliefs.

and that thing you sed about your smart good friend... dude youre a ****ing nazi. its "ok" to have friends that believe certain things. coexist
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Okay, now you're just coming in here being retarded and that will not fly.
 
Malfunction said:
@Dinkleberry: I think you are. It's not all about what affects us individually. It's not like I've been recently gang raped by a bunch of religious people. It's for so many reasons, one of which does happen to be violence and/or discrimination.
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I don't mean to pry (well, I do...but please accept the sentiment), but what was the situation in which religion was the cause of violence and discrimination against you?
 
I kinda see his point. Aznafro that is.

But the great Oden told me to strike down the so called "one true faith" and restore him to his previous glory. Starting tomorow.
 
Pulling an explanation out of your ass that invokes magic is not a valid alternative explanation to anything remotely grounded in a rational understanding of our world and universe.
 
aznafro said:
wow you are so ****ing ignorant. nobody knows how the ****ing world started so why bash on ppl who have SOME SORT of idea?? the god idea is just as viable a theory as any other scientific /non scientific theory bc quite frankly. WHO THE **** KNOWS?!??! l2 respect other pplz beliefs.

and that thing you sed about your smart good friend... dude youre a ****ing nazi. its "ok" to have friends that believe certain things. coexist
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Lol, epic first post fail.

You know what other beliefs are just as viable as Christianity? Scientology. RESPECT MY BELIEFS, ****ERS.
 
This entire thread is made of fail.
You can't make someone believe what you want to believe, and you guys are both making the same argument.
'Christians suck, don't believe in them, come with me.'
'Atheists suck, don't believe in them, come with me.'
'Everyone sucks, believe in xenu, give me monies.'

So why don't we all just shut up and stop trying to convert people.
If you guys really are atheists and don't care on way or another, why keep arguing?
 
Atheists trying to convert who?

Really, we're content with just arguing you wrong. Why do people mix the two up so much. If it does result in the byproduct of conversion, that's great. But otherwise most of us don't hold onto such lofty dreams.
 
Heres a question thats never asked... what do religious people have against atheism? Atheists and agnostics are the least trusted group in America, why?
 
Nothing, it's just annoying what you guys have against us.
 
Acepilotf14 said:
Nothing, it's just annoying what you guys have against us.
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What? The fact that we dont believe what you do makes us less trust worthy than any other minority in the entire nation?

I hardly think thats enough to justify this:

From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.

Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s lead researcher.
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“It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically been religious,” says Edgell.
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Wait, where did I ever say I don't trust you guys?
 
Acepilotf14 said:
Wait, where did I ever say I don't trust you guys?
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Nowhere. Where did we ever say you didnt?

Most of America believes we cant be trusted though, because our morality doesnt stem from a religious grounding. They think we're criminals and monsters.

Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
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“Americans believe they share more than rules and procedures with their fellow citizens—they share an understanding of right and wrong,” she said. “Our findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as self-interested individuals who are not concerned with the common good.”
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And we should just shut up and let them be that way?
 
Ignorance is a two way street. So is acceptance and tolerance.


Deal with it bitches.
 
Acceptance and tolerance cannot spawn from ignorance, and ignorance doesnt diminish with silence.



Wow, that came out more poetic than I anticipated.
 
Very true and poetic! Tolerance diminishes ignorance and develops acceptance.
 
Acepilot, no one's trying to convert anyone, we're just trying to understand each other's beliefs.

I am a theist, Muslim to be exact, and I think it's the media's fault that everyone is screwed up about each other. I mean, Muslims are regularly labeled as bomb wielding terrorists, Christians are just being made fun of and people are starting to leave their religion, and Jews... Well, you know. In Islam, it states in the Qu'ran that it will only get worse for believers of God/Allah until it gets better. What I think is that it's just a test to see who really believes in God/Allah and will stay to their faith from the beginning to the end. Theists all believe in the same God, and seperating ourselves because of a small difference in our holy books is just stupid.

And yes, I think we shouldn't bash them and they shouldn't bash us because we'll see who's right when we die.
 
Enzorr said:
And yes, I think we shouldn't bash them and they shouldn't bash us because we'll see who's right when we die.
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I think we can reasonably come to an assessment of who is right or wrong before that point.
 
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