Im joining the army..yay

[Glirk Dient]

If people who wanted to join the army put much thought into it, no country would have an army

I fail to see the logic behind this. Many people do give it a lot of thought and recruiters won't sign you up until you know what your getting into. They want to make sure you are 100% ready physically and psychologically because if they sign someone up and they wash out it looks really bad for them.

 

[CptStern]

I fail to see the logic behind this. Many people do give it a lot of thought and recruiters won't sign you up until you know what your getting into.

come on there was a whole whack of accusations of trying to fill quotas by any means necessary

They want to make sure you are 100% ready physically and psychologically because if they sign someone up and they wash out it looks really bad for them.

they have quotas to fill ..doubtful whether morality plays a role in recruitment

 

[CookieCuttah]

Ever wonder why such a majority of old people are so wise? Humans of lesser wisdom and intellect get killed earlier through poor decision making earlier on.

 

[Aenama]

umm no,Thats because older people seen their fare share of life and the aspecrs of it.



also known as life experience.
Also you are insulting everybody that has died in the line of duty as a Soldier or Fire Fighter,Police Officer.So I'd advise you to watch what you say.

 

[Solaris]

umm no,Thats because older people seen their fare share of life and the aspecrs of it.



also known as life experience.
Also you are insulting everybody that has died in the line of duty as a Soldier or Fire Fighter,Police Officer.So I'd advise you to watch what you say.

Of course he isn't.

You know, I wouldn't be all to surprised if US soldiers were posted to help Isreal or something like that, what would you do if you were?

 

[Glirk Dient]

come on there was a whole whack of accusations of trying to fill quotas by any means necessary




they have quotas to fill ..doubtful whether morality plays a role in recruitment

You are concentrating on the few who do bend the truth. Whether or not the person being lied to has given it much thought about what they are getting into is not covered in that article.

Even still we are concentrating on the whole. He said that if people gave it thought about what they are getting into then we woulnd't have militaries. That is ridiculous to say that every person who has ever been in the military gave no thought when they signed on the line.

I agreee there are recruiters who will lie and cheat to get you in. My recruiter cheated to help me pass the medical entrance processing station. My recruiter cheated and I gave what i was doing plenty of thought. Heck i read the article you linked to before I even talked to a recruiter so that pretty much nullifies your article.

When someone makes the claim that every person that goes into the military gave zero thought about it...do I even have to say anything for people to realize that is false?

 

[CookieCuttah]

It's one thing to serve in a time of need , it's another to serve by choice for no real purpose whatsoever. That is all I meant to say.

 

[Gorgon]

go **** yourself

 

[Glirk Dient]

It's one thing to serve in a time of need , it's another to serve by choice for no real purpose whatsoever. That is all I meant to say.

Granted people who do serve for no choice are complete idiots. Lots of people serve for the benfits the military offers or for job training or heck some just join because the rest of their family did or they are interested in the military. Don't assume people just join the military because they are stupid and that's what stupid people do.

 

[Pulse]

I say bring back conscription; NO CHOICES FOR ANYONE!

 

[Aenama]

Germany has conscription.But they use the Bundeswehr in a almost purely Humanitarian way.

 

[gick]

Good luck man. All the people I know who did military service are really glad they did it, and wouldnt give up their experiences for the world(even the ones who've been to Iraq/Afghanistan) and think they're better people because of it.

I have lots of respect for people who volunteer for the military, mainly because if they didnt, then the rest of us would have to.

 

[CptStern]

You are concentrating on the few who do bend the truth. Whether or not the person being lied to has given it much thought about what they are getting into is not covered in that article.

of course not because I was specifically answering this comment of yours:

recruiters won't sign you up until you know what your getting into.

well no as I've proven it doesnt seem that many care whether you're aware of what you're getting into ..and that was one example; there's literally thousands of examples

Even still we are concentrating on the whole. He said that if people gave it thought about what they are getting into then we woulnd't have militaries. That is ridiculous to say that every person who has ever been in the military gave no thought when they signed on the line.

again I was specifically referring to whether recruiters were unscrupulous or not

I agreee there are recruiters who will lie and cheat to get you in. My recruiter cheated to help me pass the medical entrance processing station.

then by your own admission it's wide spread, which negates what you said earlier in this same post:

You are concentrating on the few who do bend the truth.

My recruiter cheated and I gave what i was doing plenty of thought. Heck i read the article you linked to before I even talked to a recruiter so that pretty much nullifies your article.

your personal experiences in no way negates my article; your experiences are not a valid indicator as to the motives of all those that join the military

When someone makes the claim that every person that goes into the military gave zero thought about it...do I even have to say anything for people to realize that is false?

yes you do because your experiences are not typical of military recruitment ..you joined on your own accord, you werent recruited. Of course the number couldnt possibly be 100% but I thought it was painfully obvious that he was being less than serious

 

[Asuka]

last week I inquired for joining the army,The only problem was I wast 12 pounds overweight,Im 6.2,and the max weight for that height is 211,I got up this morning now Im 212 :O
So ny next week,I will finish the spring semester and then sign up,Then after all the medical shit,I will be going to Fort Benning:bounce:
btw,Im not joining for the heck of it,I lack self discipline,I hope the army can give me that.My dad did the same thing in the 80s.

What do you need the army for self discipline. Your signing your life away...For something you can do on your own...

Joining the army is one of the stupidest things you can do..

 

[Aenama]

Good luck man. All the people I know who did military service are really glad they did it, and wouldnt give up their experiences for the world(even the ones who've been to Iraq/Afghanistan) and think they're better people because of it.

I have lots of respect for people who volunteer for the military, mainly because if they didnt, then the rest of us would have to.

Thats exactly why I wanna go,it sure as hell wont be "fun" but its an experience that will help me later on in life.

 

[Vegeta897]

..you joined on your own accord, you werent recruited.

By his recruiter... You must be thinking of drafting... You join by your own accord through a recruiter, he recruits you. If the recruiter recruited you without your accord that's called drafting, not recruiting.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Hard for me to see the comedy in this, I don't want to see anyone go to that stupid shit war. Best of luck to you Lemonking, if you can turn back, do it.

 

[Asknoone]

Don't.

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

GTFO of there as fast as you can Lemon.

G.
T.
F.
O.

You will most likely regret this.

 

[Aenama]

as I said before....I know it's going to be hard..and I will see things that one shouldn't see,but it will benefit me later on.

 

[CptStern]

By his recruiter... You must be thinking of drafting... You join by your own accord through a recruiter, he recruits you. If the recruiter recruited you without your accord that's called drafting, not recruiting.

ok let me re-phrase that ..he went to the recruiter with his mind already made up, he didnt run into a recruiter, heard the schpiel and decided to enlist ..the whole point of this debate is unethical practices recruiters use to lure enlistees

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

as I said before....I know it's going to be hard..and I will see things that one shouldn't see,but it will benefit me later on.

Christ my brother has seen things that one shouldn't from just pulling dead bodies from the ocean via him in the Coast Guard. You will get no benefit looking at dead bodies after having to shoot them. My friend's group recently(about a month ago) got attacked while on duty some retard ran up to his humvee shooting an ak at him and his crew, he blasted the guy right in the face with a 50 cal, lets just say that guy no longer had a head. Only benefit you might get is when you take the weapons from the people you kill you might find some cool gun, my friend found a german pistol on one of the guys they had killed.

 

[bvasgm]

People who don't do any research beforehand and base their decision entirely on what their local recruiter tells them, deserve to get shafted. Joining the military isn't a decision to be made lightly.

Also, it really irritates me when people automatically assume that just because someone's joining the army, they're definitely going to be sent to Iraq.

One last thing - Lemonking, what the hell man? Think of a better reason that just "lulz I want the discipline that only the army can give meh" before you sign away two to four years of your life. If your actual motivation goes beyond that, good luck, but if not, you should seriously reconsider your decision.

 

[Aenama]

^ I think I will be a better person after 2 year sin the army.

Christ my brother has seen things that one shouldn't from just pulling dead bodies from the ocean via him in the Coast Guard. You will get no benefit looking at dead bodies after having to shoot them. My friend's group recently(about a month ago) got attacked while on duty some retard ran up to his humvee shooting an ak at him and his crew, he blasted the guy right in the face with a 50 cal, lets just say that guy no longer had a head. Only benefit you might get is when you take the weapons from the people you kill you might find some cool gun, my friend found a german pistol on one of the guys they had killed.

Luger?

 

[Glirk Dient]

well no as I've proven it doesnt seem that many care whether you're aware of what you're getting into ..and that was one example; there's literally thousands of examples

They do care to a certain degree. If they tell you it's gonna be a fairy land and all you do is eat hot cakes and sit around on base then that recruiter will be in for a suprise when your disqualified because you couldn't psychologically take it and sat around crying in boot camp the whole time. They care to inform you enough to the point that you will willingly pass basic training.

then by your own admission it's wide spread, which negates what you said earlier in this same post:

My experience does not necessarily mean it's wide spread. I won't say cheating recruiters is wide spread but recruiters that lie to you so significantly that you go to boot camp completely ignorant of what it really is is not wide spread. I am not going to say it doesn't happen but to say that it is wide spread enough that if everyone who joined was informed correctly that they wouldn't have joined is wrong.

your personal experiences in no way negates my article; your experiences are not a valid indicator as to the motives of all those that join the military

Nope, but you can't guess as to the motives of people and assume those motives are because they are too stupid and join the military because they don't know what it is. I fail to see how you support that argument.

yes you do because your experiences are not typical of military recruitment ..you joined on your own accord, you werent recruited. Of course the number couldnt possibly be 100% but I thought it was painfully obvious that he was being less than serious

I didn't walk in and tell them I was 100% certain of joining. I didn't know what branch I wanted to join. I talked to the recruiter and even when I told him I wanted him to join we still met every week for a few months and all he would do is inform me and I already read all about the military on the about.com site you linked to and had a very good idea about it. Even though I knew all of this he still went through it. Do all recruiters do that? I don't know. Are there recruiters that blatantly lie to your face? Absolutely I am sure most will tell a lie in their career. Do most recruiters lie to you so much that you wouldn't have joined if they told you the truth? No, because they give you paperwork(that is also all over the recruitment building) that tells you a majority of what you need to know. They can really only lie on finer points so I still fail to see how anyone can back up the claim that most people join the military because they are stupid and the recruiters let them sign on the line right away.

One last thing - Lemonking, what the hell man? Think of a better reason that just "lulz I want the discipline that only the army can give meh" before you sign away two to four years of your life. If your actual motivation goes beyond that, good luck, but if not, you should seriously reconsider your decision.

QFT...ESPECIALLY if your thinking of infantry. YOU WILL do a tour of duty overseas if you join the infantry. It is a guarantee right now. You might do more than one as well. At least get a job that you can use once your our of the military and go to www.about.com/military and read up. Infantry is something you will most likely regret.

 

[Seagull]

Lemonking, ask to eat lemons in the military.


And make sure about your decision !

 

[Aenama]

I just cleared basic training in AA

 

[Solaris]

Thats exactly why I wanna go,it sure as hell wont be "fun" but its an experience that will help me later on in life.

And to hell with the people you'll be oppressing, just do what benefits yourself most, eh?

 

[Aenama]

**** you Danny

We are not like Nazis in feance.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

And to hell with the people you'll be oppressing, just do what benefits yourself most, eh?

STFU kid. Please just go back to your little corner and shut up. Jesus.

 

[Solaris]

**** you Danny

We are not like Nazis in feance.

No?

You gonna help send people here to be tortured and held indefinitely for years without trial or charges brought against them, many of them children. You think thats right? You're going to be the one fighting for it so I hope you think it is.

Or what about the massacre in fallujah?

oday marks the one-year anniversary of the U.S. assault on the Sunni city of Fallujah when U.S. and Iraqi military forced out the town's residents, bombed hospitals and buildings, attacked whole neighborhoods, and denied entry to relief workers. In a North American broadcast exclusive, we bring you an excerpt from a new film that accuses the U.S. of using white phosphorus as a weapon in the Fallujah attack. 10,000 buildings were destroyed, with thousands more seriously damaged. At least 100,000 residents were permanently displaced, over 70 U.S. soldiers were killed, and the Iraqi death toll is unknown. Independent journalist Dahr Jamail was a one of the few un-embedded, independent reporters in Iraq at the time. On our program, he first reported U.S. troops were using chemical weapons in Iraq.

• Dahr Jamail, speaking on Democracy Now!, November 2004:
  "I have interviewed many refugees over the last week coming out of Fallujah at different times from different locations within the city. The consistent stories that I have been getting have been refugees describing phosphorus weapons, horribly burned bodies, fires that burn on people when they touch these weapons, and they are unable to extinguish the fires even after dumping large amounts of water on the people. Many people are reporting cluster bombs, as well. And these are coming from the camps that I have been to, different people who have emerged from Fallujah anywhere from one week ago up to on through up toward near the very beginning of the siege."

Almost one year after these allegations came to light, a new documentary claims to provide fresh evidence of the use of chemical weapons in Fallujah. In the film, eyewitnesses and ex-US soldiers say white phosphorus bombs were used in Fallujah. Rai says this amounts to the illegal use of chemical weapons and says they were used indiscriminately against civilian populations.

Source

Does that sound right to you? I hope you're damn sure what the American military is doing in Iraq is right, because your about to potentially put you life on the line and kill for it.

 

[repiV]

I miss Iraq. I miss my gun. I miss my war.

When I came home, people often asked me about Iraq, and mostly I told them it wasn't so bad. The first few times, my wife asked me why I had been so blithe. Why didn't I tell them what Iraq was really like? I didn't know how to explain myself to them. The war really wasn't so bad. Yes, there were bombs and shootings and nervous times, but that was just the job. In fact, going to war is rather easy. You react to situations around you and try not to die. There are no electric bills or car payments or chores around the house. Just go to work, come home alive, and do it again tomorrow. McCarthy calls it pure and serene. Indeed. Life at home can be much more trying. But I didn't imagine the people asking would understand that.

You've got the experience of a lifetime ahead of you...best of luck. Personally I would establish myself in a career first so I had prospects to come back to afterwards, but that's just me.

 

[Parlez]

congrats. I hope that everything goes well for you in the Army. I am looking to sign up for the US Air Force when I get done with High School.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Yes, Solaris, because every soldier is a rapist and child-murderer.

-Angry Lawyer

 

[repiV]

congrats. I hope that everything goes well for you in the Army. I am looking to sign up for the US Air Force when I get done with High School.

Lucky you.

I'd swap my good yet gritty ?40-60k a year job for ?20k in the Marines any day...if I could, that is. Pilot?

 

[Aenama]

guild friend of mine is in the USAF,he enjoys it alot.

 

[Parlez]

Lucky you.

I'd swap my good yet gritty ?40-60k a year job for ?20k in the Marines any day...if I could, that is. Pilot?

Yeh I am thinking about being a fighter jet pilot. If I do become a pilot I would train to fly the F-18.

 

[repiV]

Yeh I am thinking about being a fighter jet pilot. If I do become a pilot I would train to fly the F-18.

The USAF don't use F-18s.

I hope you make it though...I understand it's somewhat easier over there, but here fighter pilots are the best of the best of the best. Tens of thousands apply every year to become a pilot (you can't choose which type - you get selected according to your capabilities after elementary flying training) and they take 180...less than 40 of those go on to become fighter pilots, and a third of those fail the training.

If you do, I envy you. It's all I ever wanted to do. I console myself with my 600cc sportsbike.

 

[CptStern]

I could go on and on and on about how horrific the war in iraq is but why bother? ..it's like trying to convince creationists of the validity of evolution

 

[Parlez]

The USAF don't use F-18s.

I hope you make it though...I understand it's somewhat easier over there, but here fighter pilots are the best of the best of the best. Tens of thousands apply every year to become a pilot (you can't choose which type - you get selected according to your capabilities after elementary flying training) and they take 180...less than 40 of those go on to become fighter pilots, and a third of those fail the training.

If you do, I envy you. It's all I ever wanted to do. I console myself with my 600cc sportsbike.

I thought that they flew F-18s or is that the Marines?