In God We Trust... or, do we?

[Sulkdodds]

That's pretty commendable, I guess. And scientific hoorah!

But if you don't know either way, doesn't that mean...you're an atheist?
The word only signifies lack of a positive belief in God, so saying "I don't know whether God exists or not; maybe he does maybe he doesn't" could be considered a lack of positive belief, thus atheism.

Well, feminism isn't all about equality. It's about demanding rights. In fact, some of them even say that women are better than men. And by the way, I don't think either are better than the other, males are the ying to the female yang.

I think a lot of feminists would dispute that, rather concieving of both males and females as complete beings themselves!

It's true that 'feminism' sometimes includes an element of 'feminist supremacism' but it seems fair enough to say that this is usually (vastly usually) not the case. Femininsm is usually defined as being primarily concerned with gender inequality.

I don't think abortion is only a woman's issue. One could follow a kind of libertarian-positivist route and say that since there is no reason to believe an early feotus is 'alive', there is no reason to make its killing illegal. Maybe there are a few problems with that (best not to get into that argument in this thread) but it's certainly a justification for abortion that doesn't rest on exclusively female rights.

 

[firenbrimstone]

My personal belief is: I don't know. So I'm trying to show what's wrong with both sides.

If you haven't yet set your own opinion, belief, faith-based reasoning, or whatever the heck you'd like to classify it as... how in the HELL can you judge what is right or wrong?

You can't be the judge, jury, and executioner if you can't even formulate a theory of your own.

 

[Seagull]

You're lacking evidence of there being a lack of evidence on Theory A. So I could argue that you're wrong in EXACTLY the same way you say Theory A is wrong.

Just reading this I was reminded of Mechagodzillas's post on logical fallacy in the politics forum

"4: Reversing the Burden of Proof:
In science, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this"
If the person reverses the burden of proof by only saying "you can't disprove this," their argument is invalid."

 

[Jintor]

Atheist.

 

[ShinRa]

Books are written, and can be written by anyone. I can write a book that says that we came from monkeys, sure, but does that make it true? I can write a book saying that all other books are false, or maybe write a fiction that I take to seriously and turn it into a religon, but that doesn't make it true, does it? Again: Nothing can be proven without seeing it with your own eyes. But then, no one else will believe it unless the same happens. It's just a bit farfetched that all of this happened as a coincidence. THe Big Bang? What happened before then? What CAUSED it? The universe goes on for infinity, yet at the same time infinity is unattainable. The answer is right there, but just out of reach.

I agree with most of this except the books can be written by anyone part.

And for the record:

Agnostic = Someone who doesn't believe in GOD, but believes there is some type of higher power that is unknown due to a lack of evidence.

Atheist = Someone who denies or disbelieves that God or any type of higher power exists.

 

[Raziaar]

Pantheism didn't have a single vote, so I voted for it. :bounce:

 

[Skaadi]

At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, I'm going to admit that I have no idea what any of the terms below "athiest" mean. I'm Catholic, so wherever that fits in.

 

[Raziaar]

At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, I'm going to admit that I have no idea what any of the terms below "athiest" mean. I'm Catholic, so wherever that fits in.

Monotheism.

 

[Skaadi]

Monotheism.

Oh right, thank you

 

[Pesmerga]

no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique

Maybe if you got a proper ****in education you'd start to understand evolution better.

"I believe in evolution" without actually knowing what it is makes you as irrational and illogical as someone who believes in God.

 

[15357]

No, In the Goddess we trust.

 

[Jintor]

I hope you mean Isis.

 

[[Matt]]

I am atheist
the whole "god makes universe and attempts to destroy all life he creates but is unsuccessful" is a bit much for me
then again,I don't believe all that Darwinism mumbojumbo since its always changing
first-we come from monkeys
then-maybe dogs,we are similar
now-we have so much in common with mice,is it possible?
my answer-NO DUMBASS,let me find the appropriate card for you
oh here it is,its called the SHUT THE HELL UP card
humans are not mice
laymans terms
human=human
mice=mice
human doesn't equal mice

Ignorance does not make one right. Go read these and then come back to the debate before you can try and refute Evolution.

http://www.amazon.com/Climbing-Moun...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195468135&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Watchma...bs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195468135&sr=8-2
http://www.amazon.com/Selfish-Gene-...bs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195468135&sr=8-3

 

[Kula Meenur]

So Many Aetheists! :|

 

[[Matt]]

That's a belief.

No its the lack of a belief. I simply cannot answer the question of 'is there a god?' with a definite yes or no answer and anyone who claims they can is claiming knowledge that they simply cannot possibly know. It may be the case that someone who 100% emphatically denies the existence of god has a belief but you will find the vast majority of atheists when they try and answer the question of whether a supreme bieng exists will say 'probably not'.

 

[Jintor]

Nevertheless, we must respect their beliefs.

 

[PvtRyan]

I once again welcome all the self-proclaimed "agnostics" here who do not grasp the concept of the burden of proof.

 

[Cole]

no,I get evolution,if it would stop changing,maybe I would believe it
monkey=human is the only plausible example out there,yet science tries to convince everybody that we are from about 5 different organisms,which make 0 sense when each is completely different and unique

We share a common ancestor. For example, there are animals with vertebraes and animals without. All animals with vertebraes share a common ancestor that first developed the vertebrae.

 

[Druckles]

Amaeba -> Two-Celled organism -> Blob -> Plankton -> Fish -> Bigger Fish -> Seal

Etc... you could find paths between anything really

 

[kupocake]

Despite being an atheist, I must admit to being a little concerned over the appearance of more militant atheists practically on some kind of inverse crusade to abolish all religion, which is seen as the source of all human ills. That just seems like the equivilent of 'Hollier than thou' arrogance to me ('Smarter than thou'?), and structures Atheism more like a belief than a lack of belief.

 

[RidleyRockets]

I would really like to respect Atheists but it's really a lot like feminism... Always a bunch of people who really BADLY represent the idea. If you are an Atheist because you think religions and what they teach are absurd, you sir, are a dipshit.

So for example if you are an athiest because the notion of a talking snake tricking a naked women into eating magic fruit in a magic garden made by a magic man is absurd to you.... you're a dipshit?

 

[Naurgul]

Well, I voted for atheist, but that doesn't really some up the way I think. It's actually simpler than that for me: I don't care. I don't see what relevance the existence of deities, spirits or whatnot has with my life. So, I don't actively believe in any of these... Sure, they may exist, or not. But it doesn't matter either way, because it won't have any effect in my life at all.

 

[French Ninja]

Nevertheless, we must respect their beliefs.

Wow, this site is extremely applicable to this thread!

 

[Stigmata]

Well, I voted for atheist, but that doesn't really some up the way I think. It's actually simpler than that for me: I don't care. I don't see what relevance the existence of deities, spirits or whatnot has with my life. So, I don't actively believe in any of these... Sure, they may exist, or not. But it doesn't matter either way, because it won't have any effect in my life at all.

You lack belief in deities and gods. You are, by definition, an atheist.

 

[Naurgul]

If you say so. To be precise, I don't exactly lack belief. I think you can not care about something regardless of whether you think it exists or not. For example, I don't care about any TV shows, does that mean I believe they don't exist? Anyhow, do the semantics have any value at all? I've already voted for the closest one that happens to be spot on according to you.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

In case anyone hasn't figured out, Atheism.

 

[Druckles]

:O Don't shock me like that!

 

[Sulkdodds]

Atheist.

That's right. I'm talking to you. I'm calling you an atheist.

 

[Druckles]

Wait... me or him...?

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Both, but neither. :O

 

[Dynasty]

'In Gates we trust'

 

[Pesmerga]

In gravity we trust.

 

[jerkasaur]

I think that this thread is unneccesary.
These threads always come to the conclusion that atheism is better, and that religon is unneccesary and stupid. This is not the case. If there was no religon, then what would we do with our lives? Nothing. We would strive for nothing, because we would know that after this life comes nothing. Mu. So, what's the point? With religon we know that after this life comes a newer, better life that this life pays for. Religon is neccessary, true or not, and if we do not have it, many things would go uknown. We would all fear death. Do we really need another one of these threads to cement the fact that Atheism is the dominant belief in this forum? Even atheism is a religon. It guides your actions, and what you do.
[See: Assassin's Creed; Sibrand]

Also, nothing is proven. Evolution cannot be proven. Nothing can be proven. Nothing.

I wasn't trying to come to a conclusion, I just wanted statistics, that's all.

 

[theotherguy]

By the way, is Pantheism believing in Pan, as in Fauno, from Pan's Labyrinth? If so, I'm totally converting to that religion.

:afro:

pantheism is the belief that the universe itself is god.

 

[Druckles]

pantheism is the belief that the universe itself is god.

I thought I was God. I don't recall being the universe

 

[[Matt]]

pantheism is the belief that the universe itself is god.

Wonder if spinoza would be classed as a pantheist?

 

[[Matt]]

btw it would be interesting to see how we vote depending on what nation we live in?

 

[RidleyRockets]

I'd be interested to see the ages too.

 

[theotherguy]

Wonder if spinoza would be classed as a pantheist?

probably, and Einstein.

 

[Jintor]

In gravity we trust.

IT'S ONLY A THEORY!!11!11!11!oneone!11!oNE!