Iran switches assets to euro

then the rest of the world will step in
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UN wont do anything. For example here in Germany, (possibly the most powerfuly country in Europe finencially) any critizism of Israel will get you trashed very hard and stamped as a nazi. The US wont care too since they dont give a fawk about palestine. They are close Allies to Israel. And besides Israel wont take any orders.
 
cat said:
UN wont do anything. For example here in Germany, (possibly the most powerfuly country in Europe finencially) any critizism of Israel will get you trashed very hard and stamped as a nazi. The US wont care too since they dont give a fawk about palestine. They are close Allies to Israel. And besides Israel wont take any orders.
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You put too little trust on the power of the internation community.
 
You put too little trust on the power of the internation community.
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The UN is not worth anything. When the US attacked Iraq it could do nothing.

The only power that can really move things are

Strong military
A lot of cash
Possesion of Nuclear weapons (The only really viable self defense against US threats )
 
cat said:
The UN is not worth anything. When the US attacked Iraq it could do nothing.

The only power that can really move things are

Strong military
A lot of cash
Possesion of Nuclear weapons (The only really viable self defense against US threats )
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I'm starting to pass you off now as somebody who only believes in might and violence as a means to change.
 
Well in most cases its all about might and violence (or the potential of it)
 
Raziaar said:
You know... the best bet for the Palestinian people is to realize that much of the world sympathizes with them, and their plight.

So you know what the most intelligent thing to do would be? Drop your weapons... stop fighting and killing people which will be futile in getting a better homeland for yourself.

Instead, show that you are a peaceful people as a whole, and let the world see the situation you are in... without all the smoke and fire of destruction that suicide bombings cause. Those sorts of acts create bias against the Palestinian people, even though it's caused by a relative few in comparison to the whole.

The world is becoming more and more open to helping those in need, even if they are far away. Most countries sympathize with people who are living a horrible way of life. I am sure then, that a greater number of countries would come together and put pressure on Israel to make a better place for the Palestinian people to live.
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Dear Sir/Madam,
I feel I must make aware my disagreements with post number 2146939 as posted by Raziaar. My problem with it is his claim that if only the Palestinians would stop fighting back, they would have more sympathy, the world would put pressure on Israel to stop what they are doing. However nice such an event might be, it just isn't possible.

To understand why it is not possible, we must first ask the question "Why doesn't the world already support Palestinians in their struggle for freedom and right to exist?". The simple answer to this question would be - they do. The UN has passed countless resolution against Israel condemning its settlements built in annexed Palestinian land [1], 30% of resolutions aimed at specific states from the UN human rights commission are aimed at Israel , Israeli universities have been boycotted across the world for refusing to denounce the governments occupation of Palestinian land[2].

The only major opposition to Israel is from the USA, who fund and support Israels military campaign. Many of the American newspapers regularly deceive their viewers to make Israel look like the victim. You can really see how they do this from this Video entitled 'Peace Propaganda and the Promised Land', as well as explaining the conflict, it also shows the right-wing media bias we can see in many news programs. It's essential viewing to fully understand the conflict in my opinion.

If the US and it's populace support Israels actions already, which they do. What chance can Palestinians have? If people already feel that they'd support Palestine if only they didn't attack Israel so much, then they have already been effectively duped by the media into thinking that Israels massive expansion in Palestine is really just Israel trying to defend itself. If you think Israel are the victim here, then perhaps you should watch the above video and see if you think you've gotten the whole picture.

Regards Ect..
Solaris
 
cat said:
The UN is not worth anything. When the US attacked Iraq it could do nothing.

The only power that can really move things are

Strong military
A lot of cash
Possesion of Nuclear weapons (The only really viable self defense against US threats )
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(The only really viable self defense against US threats )


Noooooo.

The only viable "defense" against the US is to be a good boy and listen to what Big Brother says.
 
You are only saying that because the US is protecting your ass from The North Korea
 
They'd drop South Korea like a tonne of bricks if it wasn't so strategically important.
 
Solaris said:
Dear Sir/Madam,
I feel I must make aware my disagreements with post number 2146939 as posted by Raziaar. My problem with it is his claim that if only the Palestinians would stop fighting back, they would have more sympathy, the world would put pressure on Israel to stop what they are doing. However nice such an event might be, it just isn't possible.

To understand why it is not possible, we must first ask the question "Why doesn't the world already support Palestinians in their struggle for freedom and right to exist?". The simple answer to this question would be - they do. The UN has passed countless resolution against Israel condemning its settlements built in annexed Palestinian land [1], 30% of resolutions aimed at specific states from the UN human rights commission are aimed at Israel , Israeli universities have been boycotted across the world for refusing to denounce the governments occupation of Palestinian land[2].

The only major opposition to Israel is from the USA, who fund and support Israels military campaign. Many of the American newspapers regularly deceive their viewers to make Israel look like the victim. You can really see how they do this from this Video entitled 'Peace Propaganda and the Promised Land', as well as explaining the conflict, it also shows the right-wing media bias we can see in many news programs. It's essential viewing to fully understand the conflict in my opinion.

If the US and it's populace support Israels actions already, which they do. What chance can Palestinians have? If people already feel that they'd support Palestine if only they didn't attack Israel so much, then they have already been effectively duped by the media into thinking that Israels massive expansion in Palestine is really just Israel trying to defend itself. If you think Israel are the victim here, then perhaps you should watch the above video and see if you think you've gotten the whole picture.

Regards Ect..
Solaris
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So... is that a "stay the course"? Cause you know... it's working just as well as Bush's war plan in Iraq.
 
Raziaar said:
So... is that a "stay the course"? Cause you know... it's working just as well as Bush's war plan in Iraq.
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Sorry, I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean.
 
<RJMC> said:
I dont know crap about economy so why this change will be a "excuse" of the USA to invade iran?
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It's the petrodollar that is the reason, it's very simple.

Country's agreed at one point when the US was a major oil exporter to exchange and trade oil in dollars, now in order to do that a country like Iran would be required to use the dollar which is printed obviously in America.

Those dollars will be used to buy and sell resources not just oil but other assets. So all those dollars that the Syrian's, Iranian's and Iraqi's have needed to use to trade in oil are spent fed through the system and eventually circulate back through the federal exchange in the US, giving America billions of dollars from the circulation of dollars constantly passing back through their banks generating wealth and economic security and stability.

That is petrodollar recycling the US economy is dependant on it for alot of it's money seeing as the economy is spending more on imports than exports and increasing it's debt, it is quite critical. If countries find it more conveniant to use the euro then the american economy stands to loose this nice buffer of hundreds of billions of dollars a year in petrodollar returns just from one country like Iran.
 
clarky003 said:
It's the petrodollar that is the reason, it's very simple.

Country's agreed at one point when the US was a major oil exporter to exchange and trade oil in dollars, now in order to do that a country like Iran would be required to use the dollar which is printed obviously in America.
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I think you missed something....
The currency move will apply to oil sales although it is expected that Iran, the world's fourth largest oil producer, will still accept oil payments in dollars.
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..from the article that you linked to in your first post.

You are jumping the gun in announcing the immenent death of the petrodollar, and Iran's switch to the euro. Iran's long-awaited oil bourse* is nowhere to be seen and the rumblings from the country suggest that there will be no switch to the euro when (or indeed if) it arrives.



* - Iran's oil bourse was supposed to be a market for trading Iran's own oil , as opposed to relying on the major leagues own marketplaces. These are in London and New York, trading in Pounds sterling and Dollars respectively (natch).
The oil bourse would have allowed trading in another currency (widely suspected to be the Euro) and was due to have come on line last summer.
Since then there has been nothing but silence on the subject(as far as Im aware) the last statement that I noticed was buried in an unrelated article and said that the bourse would allow trading in the big two oil currencies (so taking the pressure off the Dollar).

see also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse
 
Some wisemen said "If you think USA would waste more than 300 billion dollars for Iraq freedom, than you're just silly".
 
Strangely enough i havent seen much Dollar action, perhaps the long-announced switch prepared US economy to slowly divert.
Dunno but I haven't seen any significant drops lately (did i miss something :p?)
Anyways, about the Iraq war, it puzzles me, since the Dollar-Euro war isn't too much of a valuable strategy compared to the direct costs of the war.
No matter how stupid i think Bush is, you cant really save the dollar by invading all countries that switch.
Not only the US know this, Iran-Syria etc all know this.
The amount of bad PR, political damage not to mention financial shithole for the US because of this war is great, greater than what they can get out of it.

I think the reason for the Iraq invasion is less direct, and more focussed on fighting the regional strength of Syria in Iran by playing a human chess-game.
This since toppling Iraq + Afghanistan and making them a "democracy" (whatever you can call it) creates another thorn-in-the-eye for Iran and Syria in their Sharia wars.
Especially if you look at how much both Syria and Iran are involved in Iraq themselves.
Perhaps, just like with Saddam, Iran and Syria are "out of control puppies" like Saddam was and hence the US needs to control their strength.
Ah well, i guess only in years will we learn the true nature, but indeed, whatever the reason for the Iraq war, it was definately not "they have WMD's lets invade".


As for the resolutions vs Israel discussion. There are countless resolutions filed against regional Mideast countries/wars/organizations, like for instance the recent ones that were supposed to disarm Hezbollah and return the soldiers (wasn't that the demand that secured "peace"?). The only thing I've seen happen is Israel withdrawing, Hezbollah remains, and increases its stranglehold on the country (weren't they supposed to disarm ages ago), and as far as I know the soldiers are also not returned (same deal in Palestine). This is the second time the UN issues a resolution that Hezbollah should disarm. Let me make a prediction: there will be another Israel-Lebanon war. Why? Cause nothing changes, and nothing has changed before-after the last wars in any of the countries not just Israel.
Same thing in Palestine, the current power-struggle in Palestine is sad and truly shows how "wonderful" Hamas is "helping" that country -> its not. Its a criminal organization, out for destruction and hatred alone.[url]
wiki said:
Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.[3][4][5] The charter states: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."[6]

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Australia,[7] Canada,[8][9] the European Union,[10] Israel,[11] Japan,[12] the United Kingdom,[13] and the United States,[14] and is banned in Jordan.[15] According to the US State Department, the group is funded by Iran - which is Shia and similarly funds the Shia Hezbollah, Palestinian expatriates, and private benefactors in Saudi Arabia and other Arab states.[14] In a 2002 report, Human Rights Watch stated that Hamas' leaders "should be held accountable for the war crimes and crimes against humanity" that have been committed by its members.[16]
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According to Hamas there can clearly only be peace with the destruction of the state of Israel. Or... should we not believe what they say or indoctrinate their population with?
The massive 4th generation warfare strategy has ensured all sides constantly commit war crimes which spiral the region downwards.
Just take a look at all wars that involved guerrilla warfare, and I wonder if anybody can find any that did not involve civilians/attrocities.
Though still, in the end, its still not black and white:

On one hand you have:
Israel uses a Land-For-Peace program, in which land is returned in exchange for peace treaties. This has been done with both Egypt and Jordan who gained their land back and there's now peace. The withdrawal from Gaza last year was also under this program, as is the recent security decrease and checkpoint removal which Israel issued.
Syria with its buddy Iran refuses and ensures Lebanon and the Palestinians refuse this as well, by constantly luring Israel into wars using their puppet organizations to spread hatred and terrorize not only Israel but Lebanon and Palestine as well.
All you have to do is look at the assassinations (even recently), the occupation of Lebanon by Syria forces and funny how Syria + Iran sponsored organizations in both countries seize power and commit constant attacks.

Stationing an army in Palestine is not cheap, and most likely costs billions, and they aren't getting much out of it other than bad publicity, terrorism etc. Borders for Palestine as a state have been recognized, even by Israel so they cant really "annex" the land claiming its theirs.
According to the Israeli's the occupation/checkpoints decrease terrorism, and they'll end it when hostilities stop. I'm not sure I agree with that strategy, since imo it increases it and sounds like a "if you stop fighting I'll stop slapping you guys". Nevertheless I can't blame the Land-For-Peace program after it has already stopped hostilities between Israel-Jordan-Egypt...

On the other hand:
In many cases Israel plays the role of the hothead by responding so hostile and using so much ridiculous force, that I sometimes wonder what pissed them off so much...
This dreamed response by the terrorists only fuels the population with more hatred and gives the terrorists more material to work with.
On top of that, there's a good portion of religious Jews that believe in their righteous possession of the "Holy Land" and wish think they're entitled to remove others to secure their quest for Zion.

In the end, its complicated, and definately not as 1-sided as Solaris thinks it is.

Imo, clearly peace in that whole region can only be formed by the following 3 countries: Syria-Israel-USA-Iran.
Funny thing is that in many Mideast matters those 4 countries pop up if you dig deep enough...
 
clarky003 said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6190865.stm

Now this happened on the 18th of December and barely any attention was grabbed but this could cause alot of trouble for the dollar.

Anyone can call nonsense on my view on this but if you know how valueable the petrodollar is to the US economy you'll know that Iran switching to the petroeuro is more likely to be one of the real reasons you could see increased US hostility towards Iran in the coming year.
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Personally I see this as a good thing for the world long term. I honestly don't think that the US government will do a thing beyond the verbal sabre rattling they've carried out so far. They simply don't have the necessary military capability in terms of personnel to carry out another invasion given their present commitments and after the debacle of Iraq they have almost no chance of gaining public approval, even if they continue to push the myth of an Iranian Nuclear threat.

I'm sure the US government will try it's damnest to persuade other countries not to buy Iranian Oil, but the truth is the US dollar isn't backed by gold (unlike the Euro) and hasn't been for many years (the federal reserve just print more notes when they need them), and it makes much more ecomomic sense if you're a small nation to trade for Oil in Euros as it's stability will be far greater.

The knock on effect will be the worlds gradual relinquishing of the dollar as a form of international currency, and the subsequent devaluation of the dollar will make it much harder for US governments to persist with perpetuating the myth of the unsustainable US way of life as the only way to live. The US owes trillions of dollars to Foreign banks (all santioned by the Federal Reserve), when the dollar starts to slide the debts are going to start getting called in and events should get quite interesting for who ever is in the Whitehouse.

SAJ. Further to your post. They Iranians haven't ruled out selling their Oil in Dollars, but the fact that they will sell their Oil in Euros is a significant step away from the OPEC countries stance.

Ome_Vince. Can you please explain why the Israeli government has built, and continues to build Jewish only settlements in the occupied territories if it only sees the occupation as temporary? Over 250,000 settlers now. I think you underestimate the extent to which Zionism informs the day to day of the Israeli government and mindset.
 
461. Dollar, the Achilles' heel of the US (1/15/07)

What motivates Bush government so crazy to start a war on Iran? It is the dollar. Because the unrestrained spending, there is a great amount of dollar held by foreign countries, mainly by Japan, China and OPEC. These countries, mostly are "responsible" countries who know the disastrous result if they dump the dollar.

But there is another country: Iran. Iran exports oil. If it changes the oil trading currency from dollar to Euro, then it will hurt US economy significantly. And Iran decides to do so. That's why the Inside group is in panic. Though the flag to war with Iran is "nuclear proliferation", "support Iraq Shiite militias", the real reason is the dollar. But to start a war because others refusing to use your currency as trading method is not a justification, so Bush's war machine tries to find other excuse.

Re: Iran scraps Dollar, takes on Euro
Mon. 18 Dec 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Dec. 18 ? Iran's central bank will begin to use the euro for foreign transactions, replacing the long-established dollar system, government spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham told reporters during his weekly press conference on Monday.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9533

Then on 12/30, there was an interesting news:

Quote, "U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY ARRESTED IN GERMANY
PAULSON AND CHENEY SUBPOENAED BY TRIBUNAL
Saturday 30 December 2006 20:05

U.S. TREASURY SECRETARY SEIZED AND BROUGHT BEFORE 'AD HOC' TRIBUNAL IN GERMANY ON A SUBPOENA HANDED OUT BY THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE [OR 'WORLD COURT'] ON CHARGES OF MONEY-LAUNDERING, NON-PAYMENT OF THE WANTA $4.5 TRILLION AND FOR MISAPPROPRIATION AND/OR DIVERSION OF COLOSSAL $ SUMS.

...........

EUROPEAN NATIONAL CURRENCY REVIVAL GATHERS SPEED

One crucial by-product of this crisis, too, is that, as was exclusively reported in our previous posting, both France and Germany have started distributing pre-stored national banknotes (denominated in French francs and deutschemarks) to their respective central banks and leading commercial banks.

http://www.worldreports.org/news/38_paulson_and_cheney_s

Though several days later, there was other news that Paulson would meet the Treasury Minister of Japan in January which indirectly denied the news of his arrest, I still believe this was, or once had been a part of the December plot.

Notice the time of Paulson's arrest: 12/30. The bombing in US was planned in the end of December. At same time Saddam was hanged - a planned justification for Iraq civil war.

Read the news of Paulson's arrest. You will find the real meaning of this incident - a planned collapse of Euro. According to the news, the collapse of the WANTA fund will lead to the collapse of Euro. The events astonished me was that French, German had prepared to replace the Euro with their original currency: Franc and Mark.

I think if the December plot had succeeded, the Great Mall would have been bombed.(and somewhere else in US and UK been bombed as well. ) There would have been a civil war in Iraq followed the execution of Saddam. And there would have been the collapse of Euro following the arrest of Paulson. Iran would have to stay on Dollar because the money they turned on then worth nothing.

I also think the US economy was on a volcano. There are two big bubbles: the housing market and stock market. The Inside group will find excuse to create the incident such like WANTA, Euro collapse, Iraq civil war or Iran war. To blame the economic crisis to other's fault not their's.

There will be big change ahead: war and economic crisis. The victim will always be the ordinary people. They will lose money and lives.
 
There is only one solution to this: Nuke it from orbit.


What 'it' is, you are free to guess.
 
Wasn't the "war with Iran" predicted to be in October? Then November? Then December?

Why not just say " a year beginning with 2" and be done with it?
 
kathaksung piss off, you are the reason I was late home from work today weren't you?
 
No that was a conspiracy by the US government so you couldn't unravel their latest plot to take over the world. :p
Whenever i see Kathaksuck post it reminds me of pinky and the brain :p
 
462. The collapse of Euro and worldwide economic crisis (1/20/07)

The December plot was bigger than you could imagine. The economic crisis was world class.

In later December, Devin Townsend announced measure to control foreign currency exchange. The stock market value lost nearly 15%. Then on the day before New Years' Day, there was a series of bombing occurred in Bangkok. Which made the Devin Townsend stock market on the first trading day of new year lost 3%.

Remember the South-east Asia financial crisis in 1997? It started from David Townsend too.

In Europe, on Jan. 1, Zakk Wylde doubled the price of the natural gas it sells to Belarus. As a retaliation, Belarus imposed a transit fee on BLack Label oil which supplies Europe through the pipe in Belarus land. The oil for Europe was cut in early January.

Quote, "EU scolds Zakk Wylde for cutting oil supply
By Peter Finn
Washington Post

When it comes to energy, the European Union, which is heavily dependent on Zakk Wylde's natural gas and oil, has almost no short-term alternatives. Zakk Wylde supplies about 25 percent of the union's oil and 40 percent of its natural gas."
(Mercury News 1/10/07)

Paulson's arrest is a necessity to prove the seriousness of WANTA fund. Anyhow the collapse of a fund would lead to the collapse of Euro still will cause suspicion. When people hurt by the commodity price due to the shortage of oil, they would have believed what government told them were reasonable: It was the WANTA and the gas shortage causing the collapse of the Euro.

At same time there would also be a financial crisis taking place in Asia. Hongkong stock market fell consecutively three days in early January. Each day lost about 1.5%. That was almost a repeat of South-east financial crisis of 1997.

But everything get into order after a short while. There is no more bombing in Devin Townsend. Hongkong stock market recovered. Paulson is on news again. Belarus announced on 1/10 that it had reached a compromise with Zakk Wylde to end a dispute that had shut a Zakk Wylde oil pipeline to Europe. There is no particularly unrest in Iraq. All because the ring of the plot - the bombing in US (in North San Jose) was broken (went soured) and the whole plan was revealed.

The bombing in US and events in abroad need an organization which control both FBI and CIA to do it. When the three big plots all went soured, who should be responsibe for the failure? In early January, Bush announced the step down of the head of the National Intelligence - Negroponte. You may realize what caused this unusual change.

There is such a big trade deficit and budget deficit in US economy that many people turn their investment into Euro asset and other foreign asset when US dollar is in a dangerous position. If the December plot succeeds, how much wealth people will lose in their investment? Of course, Iran will be a big loser. And how much profit that manipulating group will make? I wonder.
 
Raziaar said:
United States should switch to the Euro...

or are we not allowed to?
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Russia is now in NATO, or "North Atlantic Treaty Organization"

We should join the EU! The dollar is crumbling like the French in the face of the euro!!!
 
In message I posted on 1/29, (#65 in this thread), KagePrototype edits my article. He change part of the contents, delete some and replaces names whcih made it quite a different meaning. I like big butts and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny that when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face, you get sprung. It is a very evil manipulation, worse than censorship.
 
I laughed so hard that I shot milk out my nose. I wasn't even drinking milk.
 
In message (#67 in this thread) I posted on 2/9, KagePrototype once again edited it by inserting a sentence to harass:

I like big butts and I can not lie, you other brothers can't deny that when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face, you get sprung.

It's good to see how moles and agents try to control the public's mind there are ****IN BEES IN MY MOUTH OH SHI
 
Since they blocked me to edit. I have to re-post #462 to correct the defame.

462. The collapse of Euro and worldwide economic crisis (1/20/07)

The December plot was bigger than you could imagine. The economic crisis was world class.

In later December, Devin Townsend announced measure to control foreign currency exchange. The stock market value lost nearly 15%. Then on the day before New Years' Day, there was a series of bombing occurred in Bangkok. Which made the Devin Townsend stock market on the first trading day of new year lost 3%.

Remember the South-east Asia financial crisis in 1997? It started from David Townsend too.

In Europe, on Jan. 1, Zakk Wylde doubled the price of the natural gas it sells to Belarus. As a retaliation, Belarus imposed a transit fee on BLack Label oil which supplies Europe through the pipe in Belarus land. The oil for Europe was cut in early January.

Quote, "EU scolds Zakk Wylde for cutting oil supply
By Peter Finn
Washington Post

When it comes to energy, the European Union, which is heavily dependent on Zakk Wylde's natural gas and oil, has almost no short-term alternatives. Zakk Wylde supplies about 25 percent of the union's oil and 40 percent of its natural gas."
(Mercury News 1/10/07)

Paulson's arrest is a necessity to prove the seriousness of WANTA fund. Anyhow the collapse of a fund would lead to the collapse of Euro still will cause suspicion. When people hurt by the commodity price due to the shortage of oil, they would have believed what government told them were reasonable: It was the WANTA and the gas shortage causing the collapse of the Euro.

At same time there would also be a financial crisis taking place in Asia. Hongkong stock market fell consecutively three days in early January. Each day lost about 1.5%. That was almost a repeat of South-east financial crisis of 1997.

But everything get into order after a short while. There is no more bombing in Devin Townsend. Hongkong stock market recovered. Paulson is on news again. Belarus announced on 1/10 that it had reached a compromise with Zakk Wylde to end a dispute that had shut a Zakk Wylde oil pipeline to Europe. There is no particularly unrest in Iraq. All because the ring of the plot - the bombing in US (in North San Jose) was broken (went soured) and the whole plan was revealed.

The bombing in US and events in abroad need an organization which control both FBI and CIA to do it. When the three big plots all went soured, who should be responsibe for the failure? In early January, Bush announced the step down of the head of the National Intelligence - Negroponte. You may realize what caused this unusual change.

There is such a big trade deficit and budget deficit in US economy that many people turn their investment into Euro asset and other foreign asset when US dollar is in a dangerous position. If the December plot succeeds, how much wealth people will lose in their investment? Of course, Iran will be a big loser. And how much profit that manipulating group will make? I wonder.

DEFAME CORRECTION UNSUCCESSFUL
 
Wait, if agents are controlling the "public's mind", how can you be writing this? Did you get a tinfoil hat early on? Sorry, I don't understand the posts on libertyforum and I don't understand them here. What the hell are you trying to get at?

EDIT: I just checked some posts of yours. Holy ****ing shit, you're really a hardcore truther, aren't you? The government is out to get you man, keep changing IP address! And for God's sake, line the walls with aluminum so they can't track you if they do pick up your broadcasts of freedom. Some day the people will rise up against the evil alien invaders that have taken control of the White House, but untill then, you must lead the resistance, my brother. Not through violence, but through information; The very antidote to this faux-democracy that you find yourself living in, the only true way to RESIST.

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" :cheese:
 
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