Iraq Pictures

[seinfeldrules]

Seems to be a fairly objective piece, I really liked it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/flash/photo/world/eyes2005/index_frames.htm

 

[Datrix]

I think the second picture is the best...

 

[seinfeldrules]

I think the first was most memorable (even disregarding the footnote), while the second was just an overall great picture.

 

[bliink]

I actually like the 10th one by Joe Raedle.. you can see the stress in the Iraqi soldier's eyes there.
Actually, if you click it, there are some pretty good ones in the gallery for that photographer

 

[MjM]

hmmmm, i warn you its really graphic the stuff in the link below, but its in stark contrast to what was in that article and is probably more of an accurate presentation of what a conflict is like.

Theres some articles as well some of you might be interested in.

EDITOR'S WARNING. THESE GRAPHIC IMAGES MAY DISTURB: The founding purpose of information sharing is to empower individuals to make informed choices. If publishing these images causes those, who would otherwise send more to their deaths or support the killing of innocents, to consider the true consequence of their decisions, then publishing is justified. Photographs courtesy of Al-Jazeera.net - arabnews.com - ccmep.org - and independent sources.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/warimages.html

 

[KoreBolteR]

thx for posting that sein...

very interesting

 

[ALEXDJ]

there are a lot more powerful pictures around, that us gov. doesn't want you to see

 

[CptStern]

like this one

 

[Direwolf]

Alex: Uh-huh. I'm sure they're shaking in their boots.

Anyway, I've always like war photographers in general. Their accounts never have the detached spin that the regular news guys have, they've actually been in action, and they have a more objective and personal view of the war than many soldiers.

I have a book hanging around here called Shooting Under Fire which is a series of accounts by photographers of various conflicts. It's amazing and fascinating. Definitly worth a look.

 

[KoreBolteR]

caused by people like these.. who also kill innocent people on purpose.

 

[ALEXDJ]

 

[Dynasty]

yeah thats a great one to show the kids....ahem..actually it does show the realities of war that the press never show on TV

 

[Direwolf]

You do know that the reason that those don't get shown in public is over issues for the respect for the dead. While I don't object to their being available, I'm not entirely sure than posting them without so much as a warning is advisable.

 

[ALEXDJ]

yeah thats a great one to show the kids....ahem..actually it does show the realities of war that the press never show on TV

well, that's the truth, war is a f*cking horrible thing, and there is nothing noble or "fun" about it

 

[ALEXDJ]

You do know that the reason that those don't get shown in public is over issues for the respect for the dead. While I don't object to their being available, I'm not entirely sure than posting them without so much as a warning is advisable.

they didn't have to die, in the first place

 

[ALEXDJ]

oh, man i just found this photos, there are just freaken mad, i can't post them, but man, that left a mental mark on me

 

[Direwolf]

they didn't have to die, in the first place

Thats a foolish and nonrelated argument.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Thats a foolish and nonrelated argument.

how's that? Stupid Saddam didn't wanna give up his oil, Bush family got pissed, lyed to the whole world in order to start a war, and now everybody is happy...everybody but the mothers of the dead solders

 

[Direwolf]

Foolish in that it's been discussed ad nauseum and never goes anywhere, while we've got dozens of threads already on it.

Nonrelated in that showing dead American soldiers without warning people isn't justified by your personal opinions on the conflict.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Nonrelated in that showing dead American soldiers without warning people isn't justified by your personal opinions on the conflict.

should i have shown dead Iraqis?

 

[Direwolf]

No.
Not without at least linking or posting a warning. I'd figure thats just common decency when it comes to graphic material.

 

[ComradeBadger]

how's that? Stupid Saddam didn't wanna give up his oil, Bush family got pissed, lyed to the whole world in order to start a war, and now everybody is happy...everybody but the mothers of the dead solders

Thank you for that super erudite arguement.

 

[seinfeldrules]

If you wanna post your own pictures, do it somewhere else. The thread was created with the gallery in mind, not of dead American soldiers.

 

[Tr0n]

Well they are pictures from iraq...

*shrugs*

 

[baxter]

That took sometime but I looked through them all. I found some of the commentary very moving along with the pictures.
Thanks for posting seinfeldrules.

 

[Jimmeh]

Yeh, same here - I looked through all the pictures, some of the commentary and pictures really make you think.

Thanks for sharing them with us seinfeldrules

 

[MjM]

You do know that the reason that those don't get shown in public is over issues for the respect for the dead. While I don't object to their being available, I'm not entirely sure than posting them without so much as a warning is advisable.

No, thats a load of bs, the reason they dont show those images is because everyone would be putoff war. And Bush sure doesnt want that does he??

Wheres the respect for the living; quit sending people to kill other people!!

I think there is a place for this kinda media, i mean its disturbing yes(i dont want to see it). But in my opinion those pictures first posted are just glorification of the US soldier. When America goes to war in another country, i could see how it would be easy to remain pretty detatched from what you are actually supporting. I dont mean to say you can know what war is like from photos, you would have to fight a war to know that. But if the image you have of war is a little girl with a shredded foot (im sure there is much worse), then i think people would take such acts of agression much more seriously. And seeing as the prewar rationale for the US invasion is unravelling by the day, i think people should be quite angry that they were given untruthes/tricked into sanctioning invasion and killing.

<- Anti war protester.

This young woman was shot in the face today by Oakland Police officers, who fired wooden pellets at protesters marching against the war in Iraq. The pellet:

 

[seinfeldrules]

I'd love to hear the true story behind that protester. I'm sure she was obeying the police and acting like an upstanding citizen at the time .

 

[ray_MAN]

Good pictures, seinfeld. Thanks.

 

[clarky003]

they didn't have to die, in the first place

thats the sad realisation of the erroneous intelligence

very interesting images

 

[CptStern]

I'd love to hear the true story behind that protester. I'm sure she was obeying the police and acting like an upstanding citizen at the time .

seinfeldrules why do you automatically think the protestor was at fault? because they were excercising their democratic right to protest?


this is an account of what happened:

"Sre described bending down in front of a truck to avoid the police onslaught, where a cop ordered her to get up. When she did she was trapped between two cops on motorcycles, who drove her to the gravel bed of train tracks that I had just been on, then the next thing she knew she was shot. Given that she works with a pacifist affinity group devoted to yoga as a corollary to peaceful protest, it's a bit difficult to see what threat she posed to the cops."

source

other protestors said pretty much the same thing:

"I want to make clear that the use of these types of weapons against peaceful protesters is unacceptable under any circumstances. However, it is also clear that the severity of the injuries we saw that day was significantly increased because the Oakland Police Department disregarded the manufacturers' safety warnings and misused these weapons. For example, we recovered a shell casing used to fire wooden bullets. The casing indicated that it was manufactured by Federal Laboratories in Casper, Wyoming, and fires 264W wooden baton rounds. The casing includes a very clear warning, which states: "Do not fire directly at persons or serious injury or death may result." The warning then admonishes officers to fire the weapons at the ground, from which they are intended to ricochet into peoples' legs. The fact that so many people that day received injuries to their heads, arms, and torsos strongly indicates that the officers were not firing these weapons as the manufacturers intended. The fact that so many people, like myself, were shot in the back, underscores the fact that the Oakland Police Department was firing on people who were running away."

source


the police didnt care who they were shooting at because people not involved with the protest were also shot:

"At least nine members of Local 10 of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) were shot today by Oakland City cops, as the cops attempted to chase a reported 500 antiwar protesters from the gates of American President Lines, a shipper of military cargo to Iraq. “They shot my guys. We’re not going to work today,” said Trent Willis, an ILWU Local 10 business agent. “The cops had no reason to open up on them,” he added. The ILWU said it would file a formal complaint, charging that the police fired their weapons indiscriminately. "


source

 

[ALEXDJ]

If you wanna post your own pictures, do it somewhere else. The thread was created with the gallery in mind, not of dead American soldiers.

what are you talking about, they where just sleeping

 

[ALEXDJ]

I'd love to hear the true story behind that protester. I'm sure she was obeying the police and acting like an upstanding citizen at the time .

you wouldn't talk like that, if you got shot in the face

 

[seinfeldrules]

you wouldn't talk like that, if you got shot in the face

If I acted like a dipshit then I wouldnt complain about it. Now, I may have sounded a little more accusing than I meant. My point was that it is highly unlikely police randomly shot her for partaking in a completely peaceful protest. It is more likely both sides were at fault.

 

[CptStern]

If I acted like a dipshit then I wouldnt complain about it. Now, I may have sounded a little more accusing than I meant. My point was that it is highly unlikely police randomly shot her for partaking in a completely peaceful protest. It is more likely both sides were at fault.

no, the police fired on PEACEFUL protestors ...all accounts say the same thing ...even people who werent involved in the protest said cops were firing indescriminately.

 

[gcomeau]

I get the impression reading through these responses that quite a few people are just looking at the pictures and not listening to the commentaries of the photographers that took them...

Click on the pictures people...

 

[Dynasty]

how's that? Stupid Saddam didn't wanna give up his oil, Bush family got pissed, lyed to the whole world in order to start a war, and now everybody is happy...everybody but the mothers of the dead solders

saddam wasnt as bad as people make out. at present, Iraq is in a worse state than it was when saddam was still in charge...just goes to show how helpful the americans REALLY are... :angry:

 

[Dynasty]

what are you talking about, they where just sleeping

thats not even funny, youre just sick...have some ****ing respect

 

[CptStern]

thats not even funny, youre just sick...have some ****ing respect

funny how you dont have the same reaction about the pics posted of iraqi children killed ...but I guess they dont matter

 

[Dynasty]

and how does what i said imply i had no respect for the iraqi children dying? if anything i care more about the iraqis than the damn brits or americans. the iraqis are the true victims here.

if i had said have some respect for the dead americans, then yes i may have implied i had no respect for anyone else, but believe me i have more respect for the iraqis mate