Iraqi prisoners beaten with baseball bat

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No its the exact same situation just a bit less intence.

One country invaded another illegally, and commited crimes againstg its civilian populace, the people who resist, are fighting evil. They should not be demonised.

I know there are alot of buggers and extremists in the Iraqi resistence, and these people are scum unlike the french resistance, however the conept is the same.


Godwins law, yes I know :/
 
......I know your opinion is in fixed position so I wont argue against it solaris,We agree to disagree.
 
southernman17 said:
You people care about murderous evil people who's sworn goal is to destroy all western civilization. What the **** is wrong with you? Okay okay, they say they're innocent guess what? Pure Bullshit. Most likely those people participated in an attack, dropped their weapon and were caught. They probably say they're innocent bystanders just to try and save their ass. Think about it, if you did something illegal and the police had their suspicions would you say "yes i'm guilty" or "no i've never done anything illegal in my life"?
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Your perverse spin on this is as laughable as your vain attempt to justify violations of human rights.

"What the **** is wrong with you?"...............Indeed.
 
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
 
Just as perverse as you trying to justify the insurgence, right?
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I'm not actually trying to justify the insurgence personally. I just think it's a violation of basic human rights and that it's wrong. That's all ye should need.

Besides the fact that it's a morally ambiguous situation to say the least.
 
The soldiers in question are just as bad as the terrorists they claim to be fighting.
 
southernman17 said:
Just as perverse as you trying to justify the insurgence, right?
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Yeah right, it's amazing how when confronted with disgust at your opinions how your try to turn it all around.
By your twisted logic, because I am appalled at violations of human rights I now side with the terrorists?

If you want to try to take the moral high ground then you would simply condem any form of human rights violations, whereby you simply don't., quite the reverse you openly welcome it.

I condem outright any form of acts of violence against another human being......do you ?

if you are so appalled by these insurgences and by the dreadful slaughter out in Iraq, come on then comdem it all.

Your double standards are breathtaking and your stupid assumptions mark you out as a complete idiot.

lol antiwar.com gimme a break
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I'm sorry what was your point ? Some sort of childish gesture I guess , simply because, well you have no point to make .
 
Ok then condemn acts of violence against humans go ahead, no one is stopping you. How about all the other random acts of violence occcuring between various other groups around the world. You seem to only bitch when the U.S. does it. It would seem that the U.S. is the only country of violating human rights by reading your posts. Where are your posts about other countries commiting genocide or starving their population? **** you hypocrite.
 
Have you got a problem reading as well as understanding.

I condem outright any form of acts of violence against another human being
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How the hell can people be defending the Soldiers here. They beat 7 shades of shit out of prisoners and you seem to say with sincerity that they deserved that simply because they are opposing an illegal invasion through whatever means they can.

I sympatise with both groups, With both the American soldiers who are forced into this war(Or rather willingly joined up in the hopes to be defending their nation against terrorism) and I have no problum with them defending themselves against someone out to kill them. The same applies to Iraqi's who are in their eyes defending their country against terrorism. Both sides of the same coin lads(Probly a bad and out of context metaphor but it seems to fit)

When anyone dies in Iraq due to this war its a tragedy, Be they American, British, Iraqi or any of the numerous nationals in that country however it ****ing disgusts me when either side abuses its prisoners. Neither side has any moral high ground to stand up and condemn the other cause both are acting in disgracful, and basically Evil way.

Finally can we please not have "How can you defend these bastards,their killing American soldiers" because I dont fecking believe an American has any more right to life then an Iraqi.
 
southernman17 said:
Ok then condemn acts of violence against humans go ahead, no one is stopping you. How about all the other random acts of violence occcuring between various other groups around the world. You seem to only bitch when the U.S. does it. It would seem that the U.S. is the only country of violating human rights by reading your posts. Where are your posts about other countries commiting genocide or starving their population? **** you hypocrite.
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Nobody here supports murder and violence, and they certainly don't support the insurgents. The point in question is that the fact that the insurgents are attacking the US troops doesn't give them the right to violate human rights and beat up prisoners. Fighting violence with violence degrades these soldiers to barbaric levels. They're the ones invading the country, at least they should have the decency to treat those opposing them with a little respect.
 
Southernman, were you born retarded or has this been a development throughout your life.
 
Absinthe said:
Southernman, were you born retarded or has this been a development throughout your life.
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Is there any need for comments like these? You might hate his views and think he's retarded but there is no reason for you to type it out and post for everyone to see. The only thing this will accomplish is disintegrate any respect for your views others might have had.
 
How am I retarded? Because I think insurgents are ****ing scum and need to be dealt with harshly. Sure, the Americans who commited this act are bad and should be punished but what would the Iraqis have done? They would of cut their heads off and you bitch that some bad apples beat the crap of them.
 
southernman17 said:
How am I retarded? Because I think insurgents are ****ing scum and need to be dealt with harshly. Sure, the Americans who commited this act are bad and should be punished but what would the Iraqis have done? They would of cut their heads off and you bitch that some bad apples beat the crap of them.
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Yes, they might do this - but why should the US troops degrade themselves to a barbaric level of beating up prisoners? The fact that the enemy's behaviour isn't examplory doesn't mean you should try to mimic it in some way. What the US troops should do is at least uphold a level of decency and respect as I'm sure they wish to be seen as the more civilized side.

Yep, I'm sure a lot of the members of the US force are much better than this. Those ones who decided to lower themselves and beat up prisoners I think you'll agree are a "bad apple" as you've put it. So you should also agree that such acts shouldn't be practiced and that the enemy may do bad things to you if captured shouldn't be an excuse for this incident.
 
Absinthe said:
Southernman, were you born retarded or has this been a development throughout your life.
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I <3 you ab. Pulled the words right out of my mouth.
 
lister said:
Jesus doesn't excist, religion is an excuse to the fact.
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Jesus did exist. And you forgot to put 'imo' (in my opinion) at the end of your post.
 
southernman17 said:
I agree with you Xizor.
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Umm... what? What bizarre doublethink are you practicing? You agree with Xizor that this kind of barbary shouldn't be practiced, but then insist on the contrary. Have you put any thought behind your posts in this topic?
 
You know it's bad...when the people you have little grudges against actually attack the person that insults you.

Damn noobs.
 
Absinthe said:
Umm... what? What bizarre doublethink are you practicing? You agree with Xizor that this kind of barbary shouldn't be practiced, but then insist on the contrary. Have you put any thought behind your posts in this topic?
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Nah, I've redirected his chain of thought - think he knows now that there shouldn't be any excuses for such actions :)

And come on lads, let's not throw further insults around, they serve no productive purpose in a political discussion
 
X_i_Z_o_R said:
Nah, I've redirected his chain of thought - think he knows now that there shouldn't be any excuses for such actions :)

And come on lads, let's not throw further insults around, they serve no productive purpose in a political discussion
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INGSOC.



As for the insults, its the sole purpose of the politics forum. I <3 politics.
 
Yea...he's made enemies on both sides already. First rule for noobs: Do not attack vets.
 
I still don't feel guilt ridden about what happened. I don't really care that it occured. I just don't want to see it happen again. And if it does happen again, I still don't care.

"Yea...he's made enemies on both sides already. First rule for noobs: Do not attack vets. " < What a stupid ass comment tron.

How xizor my enemy? He said nothing I take offence to. I even said I agreed with him.
 
southernman17 said:
...you bitch that some bad apples beat the crap of them.
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apologist nonsense:

"The abuse often occurred under orders or with the consent of superior officers, said the captain, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan"
 
So really now it boils down to the fact that you agree that beating prisoners is not the right way to go about waging a war in Iraq but you don't really care about it because you believe that these 'insurgents' - deserve less than any other human being? You believe they're less civilized - i.e. they'll cut off your head if they capture you - and that takes away their rights?

Let's turn the argument around. There may be a lot of bad apples in the midsts of the insurgent force, but many may just be fighting to force the US forces out of their country. Yes, their country was invaded - they would certainly not want US troops there - some decide to take weapons and fight. They're not all bloodthirsty radicals - they're not invading anyone's country - they're on their own turf fighting off a military machine that has decided to force their way into their homes. You cannot take away their rights just like that because they're still human and that any violence exercised on them is still wrong. So in the end you should look on the prisoners with a little more depth, it's not all black and white. The US is the invading force - whatever their interests are they should treat their enemy as equal adversaries in war - not lower themselves to barbaric levels - I think that this behaviour is terrible and inexcusable in a civilized world.
 
It comes down to I'd rather not see it happen, but it happens anyways. Just like I'd rather not see people beheaded but it still happens. Anyone who violates these "human rights" ought to be punished according to their offence.
 
southernman17 said:
I still don't feel guilt ridden about what happened. I don't really care that it occured. I just don't want to see it happen again. And if it does happen again, I still don't care.

"Yea...he's made enemies on both sides already. First rule for noobs: Do not attack vets. " < What a stupid ass comment tron.

How xizor my enemy? He said nothing I take offence to. I even said I agreed with him.
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Did you support the Iraq war?
 
I do not nor ever did. It is a horrible war that does nothing but drain America of money and resources that can be allocated elsewhere for better purposes. It does not better America economically nor does it increase homeland security.

I also do not like President Bush even though I am a conservative. Bush does not embody true conservative values.

Why do you ask, it seems like you were gearing up to rip me one?
 
I don't see how you can claim that these acts by American soldiers were simply isolated incidents, then make broad sweeping generalisations about how all Iraqi insurgents would beat prisoners and cut off their heads.
 
Youre a primary exapmle of rightwing brainwashing.

Youve been made to think of the other side as enimies of the USA, so this must meen they hate freedom, this makes them lesser beings, this means we can beat them.

Big Brother would be envious.
 
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