Is Gearbox canon?

Where did they come from in the first place? Did they just seize upon the confusion generated by the attack from Xen? Are they another race capable of inter-dimensional transportation?

I saw a post once saying that Laidlaw once said that they came to rescue their "babies" that were captured and experimented on.

Also DevgruSeal canon is when the item in question (in this case OP4) is included in the official continuity of something (in this case the HL saga).
 
And the alien grunts were basically alien versions of the grunts. And the vortigautns were basically smaller versions of the alien grunts that shot lightning.

:rolleyes:
My point is you're fighting other human soldiers. They could have done so much better. A large group of grunts taking on a some very strong Xenians/Race-X. He pretty much ended up in the same boat as Freeman which is annoying see how they had a perfect excue to show a real new angle on the situation.
 
And the alien grunts were basically alien versions of the grunts. And the vortigautns were basically smaller versions of the alien grunts that shot lightning.

:rolleyes:



Basically Nihilanth is the big version of grunt while Ichthyosaur is the aquatic version of grunt.
 
The Gearbox Three = Canon. However, caution is advised during analysis of minor points. Errors make their way into in-house productions, third-parties are even more prone to them. Not every single element of the game was presided over, so they're not a 100% trustworthy source.

Because of Valve's "canon but not mentioned" stance, it's probably best to assume that the Gearbox Three have no startlingly revelationary plot points.
 
The Offcial guide says Race-X were attracted to Earth by the casade, and wanted revenge on humans for stealing their babies, so they dicided to take all of Earth's recources and destroy all life on the planet. Nice chaps eh?
And bbson John, Nihilanth is a bigger controller :p
 
The Offcial guide says Race-X were attracted to Earth by the casade, and wanted revenge on humans for stealing their babies, so they dicided to take all of Earth's recources and destroy all life on the planet. Nice chaps eh?

Oh jeez, now that complicates things.

Of course this raises the question of how the Black Mesa scientists were able to get these babies, yet still be oblivious to Race-X in general.

"What is it doc?"
"I don't know, I've never seen that species before."

Maybe that scientist was just out of the loop.

Another question is: Where exactly did the BM scientists go to get those babies?
 
The Offcial guide says Race-X were attracted to Earth by the casade, and wanted revenge on humans for stealing their babies, so they dicided to take all of Earth's recources and destroy all life on the planet. Nice chaps eh?
And bbson John, Nihilanth is a bigger controller :p
Official guide of what? I have the official Prima game guide for Opposing Force, and it doesn't say anywhere that Race X came to Earth because humans were "stealing their babies".
 
Lad, maybe you mistook it for System Shock 2's guide?

-- Mikael Grizzly
 
But the scientist did take their babies. The spore gun is a baby shock trooper.
 
Wow... they must be *really* pissed at Shepard for ass-raping their babies...
I know, he sees an alien species lying on the ground, helpless. What does he do? Sticks his had up its ass like some sort of alien dummy, force feeds it strange spores (which the guys shooting you are using as grenades) and pulls what doesn't exactly look like an arm :naughty:

I think he was just trying to torrture it and accidentally found out he could use it as a weapon.
 
I know, he sees an alien species lying on the ground, helpless. What does he do? Sticks his had up its ass like some sort of alien dummy, force feeds it strange spores (which the guys shooting you are using as grenades) and pulls what doesn't exactly look like an arm :naughty:

I think he was just trying to torrture it and accidentally found out he could use it as a weapon.

It's no more rediculous than Gordon finding an alien's arm lying on the floor in a basement and doing the exact same thing.
 
I know, he sees an alien species lying on the ground, helpless. What does he do? Sticks his had up its ass like some sort of alien dummy, force feeds it strange spores (which the guys shooting you are using as grenades) and pulls what doesn't exactly look like an arm :naughty:

I think he was just trying to torrture it and accidentally found out he could use it as a weapon.


Well, Shepard shows affection for it, 'cause he strokes it. I want one.
 
The Offcial guide says Race-X were attracted to Earth by the casade, and wanted revenge on humans for stealing their babies, so they dicided to take all of Earth's recources and destroy all life on the planet. Nice chaps eh?

I just said that and noone noticed. :(
 
It's no more rediculous than Gordon finding an alien's arm lying on the floor in a basement and doing the exact same thing.
He finds an alien weapon, one that he has seen being used.
 
But the scientist did take their babies. The spore gun is a baby shock trooper.
We don't know how long those spore launchers were there. They could have been there months or days (Seeing as this was the only time we see a Race X specimen in the entire biodome, it seems as if they weren't there too long). As for how they ended up in Black Mesa, well, we don't know what Race X's relationship is with Xen and Xen creatures*. Race X might have entered Xen at one point while a Black Mesa research team was in the borderworld, and some lucky scientist was able to grab some Race X spore launchers before their daddies returned. Laidlaw describes Xen as being a constant point of contention, so I don't see Race X entering the borderworld at one point as being entirely unbelievable. However, Race X sees Earth as a far more useful location seeing as our planet can provide the alien race with useful natural resources.

*I emailed Randy Pitchford asking him if he could give me a definitive answer on this. He told me that he can't reveal the answer as it was not made clear in the games either. I guess the relationship between the two alien races (being friendly or hostile to one another) was intentionally left ambiguous.

For the record, the spore launcher is described as sitting on Shephard's shoulder and wrapping its tail around his arm. He doesn't actually stick his hand in it, as with Gordon and the hivehand/hornet gun.
 
1: Race-X are hoste to Xenians, they attack the garg on the dam
2: There are spores in the biodome IIRC
3: You still have to be pretty dimented to use an alien you haven't seen before as a weapon, even if you aren't ass-raping it in the proccess.
 
1: Race-X are hoste to Xenians, they attack the garg on the dam
Personally, I am of the opinion that Race X and Xen creatures are, in fact, hostile to one another. But, in respect of the writers' statements, I don't think we can honestly say for sure if they are enemies. I know the Shock Troopers will attack the Garg on the dam, but realistically, the Shock Troopers are going to attack you first and foremost since you need to be very close to them to hit the trigger to make them spawn. You can run away real quick and then witness them attack the Garg, but this is really the only true indication that we see of any hostility from Race X to Xen creatures (And Gargs aren't exactly the smartest of the Xen bunch; they probably would simply attack anything that comes into view, thus making them dangerous to all).
2: There are spores in the biodome IIRC
Yes, you're right. However, I'm not sure if spores originated from Race X. They seem pretty race neutral to me. I know the spore launcher eats the spores from these, uh, spores, but the green stuff that spores are always nearby (The organic material that you use the barnacle weapon to hook on) is actually of Xen origin.
3: You still have to be pretty dimented to use an alien you haven't seen before as a weapon, even if you aren't ass-raping it in the proccess.
Well, I imagine Gordon is pretty high from all the morphine injections he's received, so he probably thinks snarks are cheeseburgers or something. Barney is most likely too drunk to realize he's handling an alien as a weapon. As for Shephard, well, I think he does PCP. In fact, I'm sure of it. Maybe Race X doesn't exist at all and they were just part of the visisions in his big drug trip. It could happen. :O :smoking:
 
Official guide of what? I have the official Prima game guide for Opposing Force, and it doesn't say anywhere that Race X came to Earth because humans were "stealing their babies".

I was just putting two and two togethor. Laidlaw says about the babies, guide says about recources, it just makes sence.
 
He finds an alien weapon, one that he has seen being used.

That as far as he could see was grafted onto an alien's arm. Then, having absolutely no knowledge of how it works he sticks his arm inside... It's just as rediculous as what Shephard did. At least the Barnacle gun added a new element to the gameplay. The shock-gun and bee-shooter (as I call it) were just backup weapons incase you weren't careful maintaining your ammo on Xen.

How about Gordon finding a pulsating sack in an airvent and being struck with the idea to take it with him, periodically tearing it open and throwing bugs at people...

(snarks are an awesome weapon) ...give me a break.

Like I said. If you're gong to attack Shep then you have to attack Gordon too.
 
I know this is slightly off subject, but what about those glowing orbs flying all over the place in OpFor? Are those some other form of life, or just... glowing orbs?
 
I know this is slightly off subject, but what about those glowing orbs flying all over the place in OpFor? Are those some other form of life, or just... glowing orbs?
These are so called Sprites, possibly inteligent orbs used by Race-X as a power source for teleports.
 
I also saw those sprites at the beggining of the ressonance casscade during Half-Life 1.
 
i understand what you guys are talking about, but what does this has to do with a canon? I dont get it...canon...that shots stuff...gearbox...a canon that shots boxes with gears in them?

im confused
 
Gearbox games have no bearing on the story, lets just leave it there.

We will not be seeing Shepard or anything of Gearbox creations, as it is irrelevant to the entire Half-Life story. Them 3 ex-packs where NOT made by Valve therefore will not be seen in the future of HL games unless in another ex-pack
 
Gearbox games have no bearing on the story, lets just leave it there.

We will not be seeing Shepard or anything of Gearbox creations, as it is irrelevant to the entire Half-Life story. Them 3 ex-packs where NOT made by Valve therefore will not be seen in the future of HL games unless in another ex-pack

This is a very flawed assumption. Gearbox may have developed the expansions, but they are still the property of Valve, and so can be utilized in whatever way they see fit. Seeing as how they're making up the story as they go, ruling out Gearbox assets would be very premature.
 
page 4 was about the funnyest thing I've ever read:LOL:

I'm talking about the spore gun:LOL:
 
I allways here the crappy theorys about G-man going to use Shepard to fetch Gordon. Also I hear that there both the same, there both silent protagonists.

If Gordon Freeman & Shepard where to come face to face, Shepard would get exterminated....

Gordon Freeman was originally just a plain ordinary man, just another day at work, until.....The Black Mesa incident. With all the Combat Gordon faced in HL & HL2, he is like an Elite Commando. Plus he has a HEV-suit which Shepard does'nt have.


Adrian Shepard is just some American Soldier, with regular training that a soldier would get. Shepard just has basic kevlar ombat armour that soldiers get.


Gordon has more high tech shit plus the brains of a scientist that go him a degree.
 
Shephard, for all intents and purposes, is absolutely identical to Freeman.
 
I firmly believe what drives Gordons character to fight each day is to rectify his past mistakes that he had made, partially & some what responsible for the resonance cascade (inwhich caused the death of Alyx's mother/eli's wife, & the loss of eli's leg) & the the demise of Nihilanth which caused the portal storms.

Gordon wishes fix his past mistakes & errors.


If they where to fight Id figure Shepard threaten him if Gordon does'nt come with him, he(shepard) will Kill Alyx....Shepard has a knife against Alyx's throat & threatens to cut her throat...Gordon Yells at him demands that he let her go & leave her out of this.....Gordon makes a promise that if he lets Alyx go now he will kill him quickly & with out pain, or if Shepard kills Alyx, Gordon will kill him slowly...crowbar slugging style.
 
Shepard is dead....He deserve's no spot in future HL games, I hope G-man leaves him as cold storage forever, & never see the light of day again.


Gordon & Shepard are nothing alike.
 
Lets see now...What drives Gordon day to day is rectifying his mistakes he made in his past & becides the citizens & every one else in Hl2 portray Gordon of being a legend, plus the Vortigaunts praise Gordon like he was a god or messiah & shepard does'nt have people praising him like a legend. Gordon has a Love interest, a best friend that owe's him a beer, a mentor...etc. Shepard has nothing.




No body portrays shepard like a god.
 
What drives Gordon? I would assume the player, since Gordon as an actual character is an empty vessel.

Shephard is fundamentally identical to Freeman. Both are silent protagonists, both are hollow entities filled by the player, both kick alien ass with the same same degree of effectiveness, both survived Black Mesa, both have contact with the G-Man, et cetera...

They are practically identical, sans their names. You can tack as much shit onto Gordon as you want, but that would be stupid since he was blessed with a ****ing sequel. Stripped down to their lonesome, they are the same.

This is what I don't understand about the "zomg Shephard = gay" argument. He is nothing new or different as a protagonist.
 
What drives Gordon? I would assume the player, since Gordon as an actual character is an empty vessel.

Shephard is fundamentally identical to Freeman. Both are silent protagonists, both are hollow entities filled by the player, both kick alien ass with the same same degree of effectiveness, both survived Black Mesa, both have contact with the G-Man, et cetera...

They are practically identical, sans their names. You can tack as much shit onto Gordon as you want, but that would be stupid since he was blessed with a ****ing sequel. Stripped down to their lonesome, they are the same.

This is what I don't understand about the "zomg Shephard = gay" argument. He is nothing new or different as a protagonist.



The citizens, the vortigaunts, all portray Gordon as a hero like legend, like a god, a man that saved humanity, Adrian Shepard is NOT portrayed as a hero or a god.

Gordon is truely honored by the vortigaunts.
 
Guess which one of the two has had more exposure (therefore interaction) with them? HINT: Shephard is still in stasis.

In any case, you are completely misunderstanding every single god damn ****ing word I'm saying. Try ****ing harder next time.

And Freeman is not seen as a god. God damn ****ing shit piss ****.
 
Freeman is not seen as a god. God damn ****ing shit piss ****.

Wrong, *cough*band wagon fan*cough*

lets see the quote's from the vorts "We see you still in Black mesa, clearly we see you in the Nihilanths chamber." "The Freeman does us honor." "The Freeman honors us by his presents." "The Freeman knows best." "For Freedom." "This is the Free-man, the Comine's reconing has come." "Greetings to the Free-man." "To our honor we Follow you." "Our cause seems hopeless." "It is an honor." "We live to serve."


Also if you dont know Gordon hasa legacy, Shepard does not.
 
Wrong, *cough*band wagon fan*cough*

You're a ****ing moron, you little shit.

You are still missing my point. Scratch that. You fired blindly into the blue and landed somewhere 20 miles adjacent to what I was saying. Half of your quotes have nothing to do with anything any way.Try again. Please try again. Try ****ing again. Don't be an idiot this time. I beg of you.
 
Wrong, *cough*band wagon fan*cough*

lets see the quote's from the vorts "We see you still in Black mesa, clearly we see you in the Nihilanths chamber." "The Freeman does us honor." "The Freeman honors us by his presents." "The Freeman knows best." "For Freedom." "This is the Free-man, the Comine's reconing has come." "Greetings to the Free-man." "To our honor we Follow you." "Our cause seems hopeless." "It is an honor." "We live to serve."


Also if you dont know Gordon hasa legacy, Shepard does not.

are you even listening to what absinthe is saying?

Shepard is in stasis and he has not interacted with them like Gordon has...
 
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