Is Global Warming Real?

[BlackWolfdrk]

What are your thoughts some very well known scientists have actually studied global warming and have discovered that it is a natural thing. During recorded time it was documented that the temperature went up towards the mini ice age then after the mini ice age went down and then began to rise where in the rising state at the moment it has also been found that the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has had no effect and even if you doubled the amount there would be little change look it up theres loads more evidence. So why has so many well known scientists warned us about are effect on global warming? its simple politicts

 

[ComradeBadger]

It's the Green Red tbh. Green Politics are as fashionable as bashing Bush.

 

[dfc05]

I think it's real. I think there is at least some correlation between increasing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and increasing temperature so even if it is mostly just a natural warming, I think humans are still contributing to it. It just seems weird to think that you could put all that carbon dioxide up there without affecting something.
And even if you prove that we aren't contributing to that, then still, burning fossil fuels, deforestation, etc. hurts the environment in other ways too (pollution, smog--nasty respiratory problems, and so on). So if people can reduce burning of fossil fuels by possibly expanding renewable or nonpolluting resources it would still help in other areas.

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

I think it's real. I think there is at least some correlation between increasing carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and increasing temperature so even if it is mostly just a natural warming, I think humans are still contributing to it. It just seems weird to think that you could put all that carbon dioxide up there without affecting something.
And even if you prove that we aren't contributing to that, then still, burning fossil fuels, deforestation, etc. hurts the environment in other ways too (pollution, smog--nasty respiratory problems, and so on). So if people can reduce burning of fossil fuels by possibly expanding renewable or nonpolluting resources it would still help in other areas.

no i know are acts do affect the world in other ways but im just saying we do not contribute in global warming

 

[Dedalus]

more carbon = less oxygen = no breathing = bye bye

i think it also has to do with cutting down rainforests which are pretty much essential for turning carbon dioxide into oxygen. dunno which side of the story to believe really, but i do know that the air around london would be a lot nicer to breathe if we pumped less gas emissions into the air. right?

 

[craig]

Apparently after the attacks on 9/11 and the US stopped all flights the temperature went up a few degrees because all the 'fake' clouds created by planes that block heat getting in weren't there, so I voted we're responsible.

 

[Letters]

Yeah... the temperature never fluctuates on its own...

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

more carbon = less oxygen = no breathing = bye bye

i think it also has to do with cutting down rainforests which are pretty much essential for turning carbon dioxide into oxygen. dunno which side of the story to believe really, but i do know that the air around london would be a lot nicer to breathe if we pumped less gas emissions into the air. right?

actually were planting more trees then were cutting down

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

Apparently after the attacks on 9/11 and the US stopped all flights the temperature went up a few degrees because all the 'fake' clouds created by planes that block heat getting in weren't there, so I voted we're responsible.

thats something completely different if its true for a start it coud have just been clearer days or whatever you get my point.

 

[Matrix302]

Yes its very real. I can feel it.

 

[Dedalus]

actually were planting more trees then were cutting down

a tree in a rainforest takes tens of years sometimes hundreds to reach the capacity needed to recycle carbon dioxide to oxygen in the quantities we need. so yeah i know we're planting more trees but they'll still be saplings by the time all the rainforests are demolished.

 

[dfc05]

Apparently after the attacks on 9/11 and the US stopped all flights the temperature went up a few degrees because all the 'fake' clouds created by planes that block heat getting in weren't there, so I voted we're responsible.

yeah, i heard the same thing happens with major volcanic eruptions. The ash and dust get carried around the world in global wind patterns, and affect the albedo (something about the amount of solar energy that is reflected), and will reradiate heat back to the ground. But it does help make some pretty sunsets.....

and about "planting more trees than we're cutting down"---well, not in urban areas (and actually there's the urban heat island thing--temperatures are higher over urban areas than over rural areas or parks, but that's not really related to global warming). and rainforests really need the trees: kinda sad that they clear the land for farming because once you take out the trees the soil quality is terrible anyways because all the minerals leach through when it rains; the only way rainforests support themselves is by the massive decomposition of leaves and plant material so the forest sustains itself. and then there's still the thing about burning fossil fuels.

 

[Stormy]

i think its a natural thing for earth to heat up and cool down but i think humanity is increasing the amount its changing with all our pollution so day we will find some better power sourse and all will be forgoten

 

[BlackWolfdrk]

come on were never gonna cut all the tress down look at it realisticly theres to many goody ****ing two shits out there who dont beleive in progress (i do not mean to insult anyone on these boards and i appologise if i do)

 

[dfc05]

come on were never gonna cut all the tress down look at it realisticly theres to many goody ****ing two shits out there who dont beleive in progress (i do not mean to insult anyone on these boards and i appologise if i do)

there's no progress in slash-and-burn-ing rainforests for unproductive agriculture. that's just bad, bad land and resource management although i don't really blame the people there if they're desperate for the farmland. it's not right to take away rainforest for something that's ultimately going to turn into wasteland if you take away the trees. that's not progress at all.

[edit] besides what i think of as progress would be using technology to actually become more efficient with resources/use better resources. you would cut down fuel use and you could have more efficient building designs that would actually turn out to be more cost-effective anyways since you'd be using less energy.

 

[Direwolf]

On the global warming front, I don't think we can pretend to know yet. The jury's not in, and we likely won't know for a while. Meaning I don't think we should freak and go eco-nuts at the detriment to society, but we should be cautious.

 

[Dedalus]

come on were never gonna cut all the tress down look at it realisticly theres to many goody ****ing two shits out there who dont beleive in progress (i do not mean to insult anyone on these boards and i appologise if i do)

we've all seen what a certain someonw would do for oil, who's to say it would stop there? i think it's completely plausible that some jumped up executive will finally eradicate our rainforests. there's always that little outside chance that we'll come to our sense eventually.

 

[PvtRyan]

It's mainly natural. Of course we contribute to it a little bit, but we certainly don't make the poles melt. Our CO2 production is pathetic compared to that of the earth itself.
We've recently come out of a mini ice age, the past centuries have been unusually cold for a post ice age time, and temperatures are building up again, and at some time, we'll plunge into another ice age again.

I hate to say this, but Bush was probably right about not signing Kyoto. Kyoto is just nonsense to keep the tree humping people happy. It's costs are literally trillions, and by 2050, temperatures under influence of Kyoto would go down by a staggering 0.15 degrees Celsius. It's a nice plan to keep the people fooled and happy.

But it's not like we don't have to cut back on industries, fossil fuels and invest in alternative power like nuclear fusion. But all those green energy sources like wind and solar power are bullshit. Really, it takes 5000 windmills to replace one regular nuclear power plant. And they're not all environmentally friendly, windmills kill hundreds of thousands of birds each year and solar panels are anything but cost friendly to produce and certainly pollute.
It's pretty funny, here we have power called 'Green Power' but many people fail to realize that this so called green power isn't all from stuff like solar panels and windmills, but mostly imported nuclear energy from France and Germany.

Thinking about the environment is always good, but all those tree humpers don't look at stuff objectively.

But to answer the thread title: yes global warming is real, but it's not caused by us.

 

[The Mullinator]

What about ozone layer depletion? That certainly seems to be all because of us.

Some interesting facts:

Measurements of the concentration of carbon dioxide since 1959 have revealed an increase to 373 ppm in 2002, a 18% in the recent 43-year period, or at an average 1.33 ppm per year.

The concentration of carbon dioxide has increased an average of about 1.5 ppm per year over the past two decades.

The concentration of carbon dioxide increased 2.87 ppm in 1998, more than in any other year of record.

Records of world temperature have been kept since 1861. The last decade of the 20th century was the warmest. The year 1998 was the warmest of record; the year 2001 was the second warmest.

About 75% of the annual increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels.

The remaining 25% is attributed to anthropogenic changes in land use, which have the effect of reducing the net uptake of carbon dioxide.

 

[DarkStar]

Of course global warming is real, this has been established by many, many scientific studies. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sad state of denial.

 

[The Mullinator]

The majority of scientists that claim global warming (caused by us) is not real, are people doing research paid for by privately owned companies that happen to pollute.

 

[Brian Damage]

Still posting while stoned, BlacKWolf?

I think the evidence for outweighs the evidence against.

 

[Jammydodger]

As I know that the ozone problem we got is what we created but its not just us, Those mad cows are farting and burping like they just come back from the indian takaway.

Globally, ruminant livestock produce approximately 80 million tons of methane annually, accounting for approximately 22 percent of global methane emissions from human-related sources.
Although an adult cow may be only a very small source by itself, emitting 80 to 120 kilograms of methane, the 1.3 billion cattle in the world ruminants constitute the largest single anthropogenic source of methane emissions.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I was just wondering.. did anyone actually understand my post, since I've had a number of people ask me 'wtf?' :E

 

[Maxi]

What post?

 

[Murray_H]

As I know that the ozone problem we got is what we created but its not just us, Those mad cows are farting and burping like they just come back from the indian takaway.

Globally, ruminant livestock produce approximately 80 million tons of methane annually, accounting for approximately 22 percent of global methane emissions from human-related sources.
Although an adult cow may be only a very small source by itself, emitting 80 to 120 kilograms of methane, the 1.3 billion cattle in the world ruminants constitute the largest single anthropogenic source of methane emissions.

The problem with the ozone layer and global warming are two different things. Ozone gets attacked by free radicals that come from CFCs released into the atmosphere by old school fridges and aerosols. The ozone is broken down into oxygen and so the ozone layer disappears gradually, leaving the earth more exposed to UV radiation and the like

 

[Brian Damage]

I just assumed you were pissed again, MrB.

 

[PvtRyan]

The majority of scientists that claim global warming (caused by us) is not real, are people doing research paid for by privately owned companies that happen to pollute.

And you don't suppose the scientists that discover that we're responsible are too sponsored by companies that benefit from those results?
Like there's any company out there that actually gives a shit about the environment, and doesn't do it for their benefits.

Like said before, cows produce a lot of methane, a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.
And ever wondered how much CO2 is released each day by volcanoes around the globe? Not to mention if one of them actually erupts.

 

[Brian Damage]

But I'd say it's the human contribution that's tipping the balance...

 

[Fat Tony!]

actually were planting more trees then were cutting down

Ure a idiot

come on were never gonna cut all the tress down look at it realisticly theres to many goody ****ing two shits out there who dont beleive in progress (i do not mean to insult anyone on these boards and i appologise if i do)

And again....... god ure such a moron, progress?? progress= killling trees, animals and generally the world, just to make ure life easier. My idea of progress is making processes more sustainable and efficient.

It's mainly natural. Of course we contribute to it a little bit, but we certainly don't make the poles melt. Our CO2 production is pathetic compared to that of the earth itself.

Didn't u learn anything at school? The carbon cycle... We produce pleanty of CO2 dont u know what coal oil and other fossil fuels are? basicly its CO2 trapped in a solid object and ALSO we cut down trees, clear land... trees absorb CO2 and convert it to oxygen yes? That means less CO2 in the atmosphere and more oxygen for us. U r sooo wrong, well in my opinion that is.....

We've recently come out of a mini ice age, the past centuries have been unusually cold for a post ice age time, and temperatures are building up again, and at some time, we'll plunge into another ice age again.

I hate to say this, but Bush was probably right about not signing Kyoto. Kyoto is just nonsense to keep the tree humping people happy. It's costs are literally trillions, and by 2050, temperatures under influence of Kyoto would go down by a staggering 0.15 degrees Celsius. It's a nice plan to keep the people fooled and happy.

It should be more then a mini ice age but global warming made it seem like normal.
And bush is a twat, not signing Kyoto is just like america, wealth before anyone else...

But it's not like we don't have to cut back on industries, fossil fuels and invest in alternative power like nuclear fusion. But all those green energy sources like wind and solar power are bullshit. Really, it takes 5000 windmills to replace one regular nuclear power plant. And they're not all environmentally friendly, windmills kill hundreds of thousands of birds each year and solar panels are anything but cost friendly to produce and certainly pollute.
It's pretty funny, here we have power called 'Green Power' but many people fail to realize that this so called green power isn't all from stuff like solar panels and windmills, but mostly imported nuclear energy from France and Germany.

Thinking about the environment is always good, but all those tree humpers don't look at stuff objectively.

But to answer the thread title: yes global warming is real, but it's not caused by us.

The reason we dont use alternate power is cos no one is willing to invest money into a more efficient versions.. Nuclear power is the way to go at the moment in my opinon its great! Although the problem is nuclear waste and safety, people act as if one blows up every second :\.

Heh sorry for this huge flame but a few people needed sorting out.
/me gets banned

 

[ComradeBadger]

I just assumed you were pissed again, MrB.

Oh dammit, I seem to have created a bad rep for myself :/

Anyway:

It's the Green Red tbh. Green Politics are as fashionable as bashing Bush.

Green = enviromentalist politics
Red = communistic politics

tbh, both are stupid ideas (Communism: based on a 19th Centurary vision of the world, where labour is the main source of income, which it isn't. Imagination is) [Enviromentalism: taking a half-baked and unproved theory and applying laws around it. In some European countries it is illegal not to recycle]

Quite frankly. It's populist, and I don't mean to insult anyone here, but Global Warming etc is not proven, the earth's climate changes every now and then, it's natural... the ozone layer hole hasn't been studied enough, and ffs, scientists who try and disprove things about enviromentalism are shouted down with comments like "You don't care for our planet"

It's the opiate of the masses.


EDIT: To respond to Fat Tony's post. You do know that plants take in oxygen and let out CO2 at night.. right?

 

[A2597]

I don't think it's real. the reason we are getting the rise in temp variations has a very logicle explaination.

concrete and asfalt.

seriously, go one mine from a city and the temp drops about 10 degrees in the summer. The thermonitors are of course, in the city, so they record the hotter values. record values just outside the city, in the a corn feild of something, and it's much cooler, and is simuler to recorded results from years past.

 

[Fat Tony!]

"To respond to Fat Tony's post. You do know that plants take in oxygen and let out CO2 at night.. right?"

yeh bugger all

 

[Brian Damage]

Global warming hasn't been conclusively disproven, either.

All I know is that there hasn't been golfball-sized hail around here since the area became industrialised.

On a brighter note, though, the frogs seem to be coming back.

EDIT: MrB, not as much at night as they take in during the day, though.

 

[PvtRyan]

Ure a idiot
Didn't u learn anything at school? The carbon cycle... We produce pleanty of CO2 dont u know what coal oil and other fossil fuels are? basicly its CO2 trapped in a solid object and ALSO we cut down trees, clear land... trees absorb CO2 and convert it to oxygen yes? That means less CO2 in the atmosphere and more oxygen for us. U r sooo wrong, well in my opinion that is.....

There's more to climate than plants, really...
The ocean creates huge amounts of various greenhouse gasses, like methane and CO2. And I already mentioned stuff like volcanoes.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I know it's not much, but it's still signifcant. Brian, it's way too early to say that it IS proven. It's just not, and to act globally on a belief, since thats all it is, just arguing from authority, which is a type of argument with serious flaws, is a very bad idea.

On a side note I find it amusing that recycling wastes more energy than it saves.

 

[PvtRyan]

But I'd say it's the human contribution that's tipping the balance...

Maybe, perhaps we're the drop that makes the bucket flow over. No one knows. But I seriously doubt we're causing the entire warming. Warming up and cooling down is a natural cycle that the earth goes through since its beginning.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Sea levels are rising, climate change is upon us its so not natural. The ocean, volcanoes and stuff always have been producing greenhouse gases, why wasnt there global warming before we started destroying the earth. Magic?

Ps. u listen too much in general studies badger. :\. + recycling isnt to do with energy its to do with saving resources and reducing the load on landfill sites

 

[Brian Damage]

I know it's not proven. My point is, it's not disproven either, and it'd be silly to just dismiss it. The Earth's ecosystem developed to handle gradual variations, but a great big spike could cause all kinds of havoc, so it'd be best to study it seriously, and in the meantime, play it safe...

On a side note, yes, it is kind of funny. Depends on the product and the method, though. And it's not just about the energy, it's also about the resources.

Another thing, has anyone here heard of the Deccan Traps?

 

[ComradeBadger]

Sea levels are rising, climate change is upon us its so not natural. The ocean, volcanoes and stuff always have been producing greenhouse gases, why wasnt there global warming before we started destroying the earth. Magic?

Ps. u listen too much in general studies badger. :\. + recycling isnt to do with energy its to do with saving resources and reducing the load on landfill sites

How do you know it's not going to cool down, ffs, is NATURAL climate change a concept to some people?

And Brian, I agree we should play it safe, my beef is with those who make laws based on it.