is hl2 available through steam once it goes gold?

[Demon Wraith]

im not talking about people who don't want to spend money on a game. im talking about people that want hl2. some would be willing to pay, but if they can get the pirated version first, they will go with that.

Yes, and the point that you and I seem to disagree on is whether or not their willingness to pay money is a consideration.

Also, Half-life 2 is largely about MP support, just like HL 1. The source ports and whatnot. I doubt that many gamers would want a SP only version of Half-life 2.

 

[poseyjmac]

Yes, and the point that you and I seem to disagree on is whether or not their willingness to pay money is a consideration.

Also, Half-life 2 is largely about MP support, just like HL 1. The source ports and whatnot. I doubt that many gamers would want a SP only version of Half-life 2.

you can disagree if you want, but you are disagreeing on a fact. a friend of mine on MSN proves it, he won't pay money for hl2 if he can get a pirated version first, but hes so hyped for it, he would buy it if it came out on steam first and he could just activate his preloaded content. there are others just like him. ive heard it from people on irc, other forums, etc. im not going to try and argue with you about this because its not arguable.

and like i said before, people might pirate HL2 sp. and just buy CS:S separately later for cheaper. or buy TF2 later without giving a cent to hl2.

 

[iamaelephant]

Hey cool, poseyjmac is passing his opinion off as fact. I love it when people do that.

 

[Demon Wraith]

you can disagree if you want, but you are disagreeing on a fact. a friend of mine on MSN proves it, he won't pay money for hl2 if he can get a pirated version first, but hes so hyped for it, he would buy it if it came out on steam first and he could just activate his preloaded content. there are others just like him. ive heard it from people on irc, other forums, etc. im not going to try and argue with you about this because its not arguable.

and like i said before, people might pirate HL2 sp. and just buy CS:S separately later for cheaper. or buy TF2 later without giving a cent to hl2.

Self-reports are filled with all kinds of confounds.

 

[poseyjmac]

Hey cool, poseyjmac is passing his opinion off as fact. I love it when people do that.

its not an opinion, its not even mine, its a friend of mines word. demon said that people that pirate games weren't going to buy them in the first place even if it was available 1 or 2 days before. but its not true of my friend + others on IRC ive talked to that they would buy the game. again its not my opinion, its other people's said word. those alone prove demon wrong.

 

[poseyjmac]

Self-reports are filled with all kinds of confounds.

im not biased here. i simply asked some people what their views on this were. like i said, its not my theory or opinion, its just the way of things.

 

[Demon Wraith]

im not biased here. i simply asked some people what their views on this were. like i said, its not my theory or opinion, its just the way of things.

Who said anything about you being biased? I'm just stating that self-reports are largely unreliable because of the existence of secondary variables which you are not accounting for.

Edit: Stipulating exchanged for stating. Why must I use the word stipulate so wrongly so often? Oh, it's such a pretty word.

 

[poseyjmac]

Who said anything about you being biased? I'm just stipulating that self-reports are largely unreliable because of the existence of secondary variables which you are not accounting for.

and these variables are?

how about this, i pirated doom3, and i still haven't paid for it yet. i though to myself, im going to buy this game for sure. but then the pirated version came out and ive been too lazy to go out and buy it. now what other variables do you want me to clear up for you?

 

[iamaelephant]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=generalize

 

[poseyjmac]

are you ready to make a coherent post yet elephant?

 

[iamaelephant]

Come again? I don't know what's been so "incoherent" about my posts so far.

 

[Demon Wraith]

and these variables are?

how about this, i pirated doom3, and i still haven't paid for it yet. i though to myself, im going to buy this game for sure. but then the pirated version came out and ive been too lazy to go out and buy it. now what other variables do you want me to clear up for you?

The point about just because you think you where going to pay for it does not mean you actually where going to.

Let's think of some possible confounds.
1) The reason you're lazy.
2) Other things preventing you from paying for it.
3) Personal morality. Are you the type of person who makes excuses for your ammoral acts or do you simply accept them? Don't actually answer this one, it also has confounds.

"I thought to myself, I'm going to buy this game for sure"

Well, you know what? I thought to myself I should donate to one of those orphan funds FOR SURE! I'm just too lazy.

Truth be told, not really. I just don't want to donate to an orphan fund. But, the confound resulting in the result of me testing on a self-report as being the type of person who actually wants to donate to an orphan fund is my own opinion of my own level of morality. Instead of accepting that I don't care enough to use my money I attribute it to other attributes such as laziness. I may even claim "I'll do it if it's presented to me easilly." But, y'know... going through McDonald's, seeing that Ronald McDonal House donation thing... I don't even look twice.

If what you where saying where true, then the last time you stopped by a Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target or any other place that has Doom 3 you would have walked 3 extra meters to pick up a copy... if you had any actual intent of paying for it. Laziness is not an excuse unless you've never left your house since that time. You wouldn't have paid for it, regardless.

 

[poseyjmac]

The point about just because you think you where going to pay for it does not mean you actually where going to.

Let's think of some possible confounds.
1) The reason you're lazy.
2) Other things preventing you from paying for it.
3) Personal morality. Are you the type of person who makes excuses for your ammoral acts or do you simply accept them? Don't actually answer this one, it also has confounds.

"I thought to myself, I'm going to buy this game for sure"

Well, you know what? I thought to myself I should donate to one of those orphan funds FOR SURE! I'm just too lazy.

Truth be told, not really. I just don't want to donate to an orphan fund.

i and others i know have a history of buying games, especially impulse buys where if i can't get it fast enough, then i or them will drive to software etc. and buy it. now what?

 

[Demon Wraith]

i and others i know have a history of buying games, especially impulse buys where if i can't get it fast enough, then i or them will drive to software etc. and buy it. now what?

How much money you have at the time.
How "lazy" you are feeling.
Your access to a pirated version.
How come you couldn't "get it fast enough?"

 

[poseyjmac]

complete thoughts maybe?

 

[poseyjmac]

are you saying that no one who buys games will pirate a game if it comes out on the warez scene first?

 

[Demon Wraith]

are you saying that no one who buys games will pirate a game if it comes out on the warez scene first?

I'm saying that an individual saying over the internet that "Oh, me and my friends do such and such for this particular reason" does not qualify as empirical evidence.

As for the other argument I'm making, I'm saying that individuals who legitimately intend to pay for a game will pay for the game. Those who do not pay for the game yet try to say it's for "this and this reason" when "this and this reason" is not "because I don't want to pay for the game and I also refuse to acknowledge that the hardwork of individuals other than myself should be rewarded" are making excuses. And by making excuses I mean both lying to other people and to themselves. In short, they would more likely than not still pirate it.

 

[poseyjmac]

I'm saying that an individual saying over the internet that "Oh, me and my friends do such and such for this particular reason" does not qualify as empirical evidence.

As for the other argument I'm making, I'm saying that individuals who legitimately intend to pay for a game will pay for the game. Those who do not pay for the game yet try to say it's for "this and this reason" when "this and this reason" is not "because I don't want to pay for the game and I also refuse to acknowledge that the hardwork of individuals other than myself should be rewarded" are making excuses. And by making excuses I mean both lying to other people and to themselves. In short, they would more likely than not still pirate it.

and i have no proof that anyone on this forum is human. ok fine. if you want to go to those measures and not trust anything. we don't really exist. whatever

just one question that im going to ask again. do you honestly think that if valve released the game on steam before the boxed versions shipped out, that they would reap at least 1 sale in those couple days no warez version was available, that they otherwise would have lost to a pirate who would otherwise download the game a couple days after?

btw all we've been doing is, you've said people are a certain way, and ive said SOME people are a certain way. we both can't prove anything really. then again no one can prove anything because nothing is truly real