Is School obsolete?

[Lucifer Crass]

I have seen, and know people who can attain more information in one sitting at a computer then people that go to school for 3-4months. School is becomming an excuse to get kids out of the house and off the streets while their parents work. I could learn more from a computer screen than some dumb teacher, seriously.

 

[Neutrino]

I'm assuming you mean highschool and not college right? Cause you can't exactly learn what you need for a bachelor's degree from a computer. As for highschool, I think it depends on what the quality of your highschool is. There are some that are very good and you would be really missing out if you didn't go. But yeah, there are some others that do seem rather worthless sometimes. That's why I homeschooled when I was in highschool.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Yes I mean Highschool, and ur lucky
Can u believe what they did at my school? They Voided the Highschool exit exam, how lame is that. I passed yet it doesnt even matter. If u pass the highschool exit exam in the 10th grade i think i know enough to graduate and be fine in college.

 

[Maskirovka]

Yes, of course schools are a place for kids while adults work...what else would you do with kids?

and also, just because you're able to learn quickly from a computer doesn't mean you will actually sit down and learn useful information. not only that, but the internet is full of sites that are completely untrue things. I'm glad people go to school to learn from reliable sources instead of from the trough of stupidity that most of the internet has become.

of course there are plenty of reliable sources of information on the internet, but the overwhelming majority of sites are just worthless.

Schools might need to change in the face of new learning technologies, but school certainly is not obsolete.

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if learning was ever done by direct imprint on the brain with some advanced technology, then there would still be schools of some kind...at least public day care of some kind.

and you could never teach ideas or replace discussion with that kind of technology...so schools will always exist in some form in any civilized society.

 

[KagePrototype]

Personally, i find it a lot easier to learn things from a text book on my own then with some teacher lecturing at a class of 20 or so people. You could easily learn things from thew internet, but there are too many distrations e.g IRC, MSN, halflife2.net forums.....I should go.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Lol, I am accualty in a Cisco networking class Atm

 

[mrchimp]

In theory I would learn more at home, but I'm too lazy to do anything on my own, unless I'm being paid.

I'm fed up of colledge the only course I'm going to get a A-B in is computer science and quite frankly thats just because I know the work already.

 

[Dedalus]

school is completely dumb. seriously. right from the age of 7 school just became a habit. i went along, had a laugh, came home. i learned nothing from school. zero. everything i've learned has been from books and from sitting at my computer. you don't really learn anything useful until you get to university.

the only thing kids learn is school is how to have underaged sex, how to smoke, how to blag alcohol at a pub, and how to be little shits who's primary goal in life is to stand on dole and buy designer clothes so they appear to be well off when in actual fact they're just bums. that's kids today.

 

[Neutrino]

While I certainly don't think school in general is obsolete or worthless, I do think they stretch it out for way to long. The amount of time to learn a subject in highschool is a joke. What takes two years in highschool takes about two months in college. 6th through 12th grade could probably be completed in 3 years if your reasonably intelligent.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

school is completely dumb. seriously. right from the age of 7 school just became a habit. i went along, had a laugh, came home. i learned nothing from school. zero. everything i've learned has been from books and from sitting at my computer. you don't really learn anything useful until you get to university.

the only thing kids learn is school is how to have underaged sex, how to smoke, how to blag alcohol at a pub, and how to be little shits who's primary goal in life is to stand on dole and buy designer clothes so they appear to be well off when in actual fact they're just bums. that's kids today.

Dude I know how u feel.

 

[el Chi]

School is becomming an excuse to get kids out of the house and off the streets while their parents work.

Erm... No.
at school, you learn things and if you were set things to learn at home then NO-ONE WOULD DO ANYTHING. don't pretend like you would because if you were so studious as to be able to direct your own study then you wouldn't be posting on these boards. I'm not going to pretend that I have the will-power either.
Also, going to school and socialising with other real children develops your social skills so that you can function as a human being interacting with other human beings. Not to mention making lots of friends - many of my friends are people I've met at/through school and college and I'm sure the same is true for many people.
Just because you have an essay you don't want to do, a teacher you don't like or whatever, doesn't mean the school system is obsolete. Not even in the slightest bit.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Erm... No.
at school, you learn things and if you were set things to learn at home then NO-ONE WOULD DO ANYTHING. don't pretend like you would because if you were so studious as to be able to direct your own study then you wouldn't be posting on these boards. I'm not going to pretend that I have the will-power either.
Also, going to school and socialising with other real children develops your social skills so that you can function as a human being interacting with other human beings. Not to mention making lots of friends - many of my friends are people I've met at/through school and college and I'm sure the same is true for many people.
Just because you have an essay you don't want to do, a teacher you don't like or whatever, doesn't mean the school system is obsolete. Not even in the slightest bit.

Would u rather go to the movies and socialize outside of school + learn at home and only take standardized tests every 6 months or when u feel ur ready to check ur learning level. Or stay at school and have to work for nothing. I would rather socialize etc outside of school because school is teh g4ys0rz, and only consists of busy work.
They have stayed off of learning for to long, so if the point of school is learning and no one is, then it has lost its point which is what I am saying

 

[The Mullinator]

Highschool has more uses than elementary school, I could have learned so much more in elementary school if I had decided to learn everything on my own.

 

[Lucifer Crass]

It would be cool if we learned everything on our own and the states had tests. These tests would differ according to what learninig leavel ur at. an example is that I grow up and am 6 years old, they give me blocks and i make a picture etc. If I pass I can later get another test. Say I was 13, i would a level 6-7 test, and if i passed i could go on until I hit test 12. After test 12 the government can pay for half of the college tuition. I could go to college when I was 13 but the government wouldn't help with the $$, and if I try to get work with a level 7 test education no one would higher me.
College would be the same.

 

[Dedalus]

it'll never happen because it's more important to bomb countries into the stoneage than to focus on problems at home.

 

[el Chi]

Would u rather go to the movies and socialize outside of school + learn at home and only take standardized tests every 6 months or when u feel ur ready to check ur learning level. Or stay at school and have to work for nothing. I would rather socialize etc outside of school because school is teh g4ys0rz, and only consists of busy work.
They have stayed off of learning for to long, so if the point of school is learning and no one is, then it has lost its point which is what I am saying

Dude, the whole point is that if I decided to take tests when I was good and ready I'd still be mighty perplexed by elementary spelling (although by the punctuation of some people on these boards, you'd think such a system was already in place - but I digress and jump on my high-horse. Sorry for that)
Of course I'd rather socialize outside school - that's not my point: My point was that if you did not mix with other children IN school then you won't be able to mix with them functionally out of school either. It's about DEVELOPING social skills in the FIRST place so that you can more easily meet and interact with people. Oh and "school is teh g4ys0rz" proves exactly my point - just because you don't like it, doesn't make it obsolete.

Oh and Dedalus? Well said!

 

[Frank]

I could learn more from a computer screen than some dumb teacher, seriously.

Sometimes it help if you pay attention

 

[Lucifer Crass]

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|-------|--------|
AP Test 1 Test 1 Special Test 1
|-------|--------|
Ap test 2 Test 2 Special test 2

This would go till u hit 12 in either catagory. You can request any test at any time. So if ur special and u request an AP test, u get an AP test even tho ur last test was at Special level.This way u could get a job, become resposible from an early age. Have the freedom that a child should have the right too, instead of being couped up in a stuffy class with some old bag barking at u. Having to do essays and homework is lame. If u get the same education but a better life experiance, its win win.

Special=Low IQ
Test = Normal
AP Test= Advance placement

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Sometimes it help if you pay attention

Or I cared about what she was talking about.

 

[mrchimp]

Dude, the whole point is that if I decided to take tests when I was good and ready I'd still be mighty perplexed by elementary spelling (although by the punctuation of some people on these boards, you'd think such a system was already in place - but I digress and jump on my high-horse. Sorry for that)
Of course I'd rather socialize outside school - that's not my point: My point was that if you did not mix with other children IN school then you won't be able to mix with them functionally out of school either. It's about DEVELOPING social skills in the FIRST place so that you can more easily meet and interact with people. Oh and "school is teh g4ys0rz" proves exactly my point - just because you don't like it, doesn't make it obsolete.

Oh and Dedalus? Well said!

The only reason you need to defend schools is that 90% of students wouldn't do anything without them.

 

[Neutrino]

It would be cool if we learned everything on our own and the states had tests. These tests would differ according to what learninig leavel ur at. an example is that I grow up and am 6 years old, they give me blocks and i make a picture etc. If I pass I can later get another test. Say I was 13, i would a level 6-7 test, and if i passed i could go on until I hit test 12. After test 12 the government can pay for half of the college tuition. I could go to college when I was 13 but the government wouldn't help with the $$, and if I try to get work with a level 7 test education no one would higher me.
College would be the same.

You can already do some of that you know. Just homeschool. You can go at whatever pace your comfortable with and you can still take the standardized tests they have in public school. Then you can either study completely on your own and then get a GED, or sign up for an accredited highschool correspondent program. (That's what I did) They let you finish it in what ever amount of time you want. You get penalized for going beyond four years of course. But there's nothing stopping you from completing the program in 2 years or less if you so desired.

 

[el Chi]

The only reason you need to defend schools is that 90% of students wouldn't do anything without them.

What? That was sort of kind of exactly my point. I said practically the exact same thing... Exactly what are you saying? Very confusing.

And coolio2man? Neutrino has a very good pioint, but I seriously doubt it would be a suitable system for everyone.

 

[Neutrino]

And coolio2man? Neutrino has a very good pioint, but I seriously doubt it would be a suitable system for everyone.

I completely agree. While it is a great option for some, I imagine about 80% of the kids would never graduate highschool if they didn't have a structured public school system.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Meh, I like school. I learn quite a lot (except in English, where I know it all already ;-) ) and I get to meet lots of people.
See, that's the point. Name me five friends you have that you'd know if you didn't have school - or playgroup (kindergarten) or anything else. I doubt most of you will be able to.

 

[Neutrino]

See, that's the point. Name me five friends you have that you'd know if you didn't have school - or playgroup (kindergarten) or anything else. I doubt most of you will be able to.

Well at least for me, all the friends I have currently I met in college. I've pretty much lot track of all the friends I made before as we all moved away to different places. I'm not saying that one can't make and keep some great great friends in school, but not all is lot if you don't make or keep in touch with friends from school. You'll make a lot of new one's at university. (Assuming you go to college of course).

 

[D33]

I have seen, and know people who can attain more information in one sitting at a computer then people that go to school for 3-4months. School is becomming an excuse to get kids out of the house and off the streets while their parents work. I could learn more from a computer screen than some dumb teacher, seriously.

Ok, say you were right ( I personally believe it depends on the person - school/college/etc offers me a study environment plus I learn better from other people ) surely getting kids out of the house and off the streets isn't a bad reason

 

[mrchimp]

What? That was sort of kind of exactly my point. I said practically the exact same thing... Exactly what are you saying? Very confusing.

And coolio2man? Neutrino has a very good pioint, but I seriously doubt it would be a suitable system for everyone.

Well you were arguing about socialization or something which isn't necessary... I was agreeing with you lets just leave it at that.

 

[Revisedsoul]

Lol, I am accualty in a Cisco networking class Atm

haha, that course is nothing, i completed it and got my certificate in grade 11. Right now im currently inrolled in CSOM(computer systems operation and management) still an easy course, just a shitload more work. YAAAAA fro Cobol adn vb.net lol

 

[mrchimp]

cobal... VB.net...

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Blair]

I'm under the belief the up untill highschool is only proper. However, I'm not a fan of the modern day theroy that once you're out of HS it is expected of you to attend college. How many times I've got the question, "Do you go to school?", then of course they ask "Why not?", as if I'm commiting a crime or I have some how insulted them by not attending further education. Parents in some case's actually force post HS grad's to get out, this is completely idiotic. There are people who go to college for 4, sometimes 6 years and I can safely say that many of us on these forums are smarter then they are.

I never stepped foot in college and I work at a bank handling peoples personal information that they have worked all their lives to make. To top that off, I just got offered a sales position that would be making a base salary of 75k per year, not including renewals and referred sales.

You can sit in a classroom all day and not learn a thing, or you can really enjoy a certain subject and learn everything you possibly can about it. The schools of today are nothing like what they were even 10 years ago.

 

[Mr. Redundant]

the only people who say school is obsolete, is kids in school.

its natural, but when you get older and have kids (that you dont want in trouble etc, or you want some time to yourself) you will understand.
school sucks, we all have to suffer through it, but its existence is not for education alone.
it will be over before you know it.

 

[Neutrino]

The schools of today are nothing like what they were even 10 years ago.

You think they are worse now or better? Just wondering. And you mean highschool/gradeschool or college?

 

[ray_MAN]

I learned everything I know about WWII from games like CoD and MOH, not school. So yes I do think school is becoming obsolete.

 

[Neutrino]

I learned everything I know about WWII from games like CoD and MOH, not school. So yes I do think school is becoming obsolete.

Read a book. It can be fun.

 

[mrchimp]

Some people have no motivation unless there being paid which quite frankly is me, which makes me wonder if I should just drop colledge and go striat into a proper job.

Sn7: I know plenty of people who have been through colledge and university and got good grades but are earning less than that.. alot less.

 

[Blair]

You think they are worse now or better? Just wondering. And you mean highschool/gradeschool or college?

Definitely HS, and it's worse off 10x.

You rarely had to worry about guns, or even drug raids (!) taking place. And I feel more so that today's teachers just don't care as much, it's all about how much they put in their pocketbooks rather then how much they commit to thier job. For instance, how often do you hear of teachers striking or walking off the job in the news anymore? Quite often I'd say.

I remembering hearing of some student's went on strike after hearing that their teachers had done the same. It was awful watching people that want to learn, asking these teachers to just 'teach us', as I recall they were pretty upset and a few heated exchanges took place.. And these are the people we have left in charge of preparing the next generation of presidents and congressmen.

 

[Neutrino]

Definitely HS, and it's worse off 10x.

You rarely had to worry about guns, or even drug raids (!) taking place. And I feel more so that today's teachers just don't care as much, it's all about how much they put in their pocketbooks rather then how much they commit to thier job. For instance, how often do you hear of teachers striking or walking off the job in the news anymore? Quite often I'd say.

I remembering hearing of some student's went on strike after hearing that their teachers had done the same. It was awful watching people that want to learn, asking these teachers to just 'teach us', as I recall they were pretty upset and a few heated exchanges took place.. And these are the people we have left in charge of preparing the next generation of presidents and congressmen.

Well, I tend to agree with you on some of the points, like there being more violence in schools. But I think we need to be careful to not get that "back in the good old days" attitude. If you talk to anyone over 40 most will say how when they were in school there were not problems like today. But when you look back in the past many of us tend to forget all the bad times and just remember the good ones. I'm not saying that school has not degraded somewhat, only that it's important to remember that it has never been perfect and that there have always been problems. They just tend to change over time.

 

[ray_MAN]

I do read Neutrino.

 

[qckbeam]

School is an opportunity to show how creative a cheater you are. Or at least that's what my school is like.

School is a game, and those with the highest scores are the best cheaters. That's how it is at my HS anyway. "Mr. 4.0 GPA" is really a dumbass like that rest of the pack, he's just better at kissing ass, lying, and cheating. I for one can't stand these little games, so I don't play them.

I simply devote all my time and energy elsewhere, focusing on only those things which interest me (nothing at school). Still I manage to get by with a 3.6 GPA (no cheating).

 

[Neutrino]

I do read Neutrino.

Not saying ya don't.