Is the USA slowly becoming fascist?!?

[username]

One may argue that in the US, fascist parties hold >51% of the vote..

I was talking about openly extreme right fascist parties, the British National Party and National Front are the main ones.

Don't forget to support the Communist Party of GB (www.communist-party.org.uk), they know what they're talking about

 

[nyarlotep]

The UK is certainly a strange place to live in. Actually, correction, the world is a strange place to live in.

Superpowers running amok, ineffectual aid and defence organisations, rampant starvation, disease and political corruption... woo!

The west is just getting increasingly paranoid and xenophobic- I don't bat an eyelid (although I'm tempted to bat some skulls) when I see racist BNP rejects walking the streets, but what's worrying is the growing trend of governments to use terrorism as an excuse to reduce rights- if a suspect's crimes are so blatant, try them in this country, with a public verdict thank you very much.

Although how ID cards will lead to Brits having CCTV devices under their beds I don't know. Then again, we are the country who was convinced that national telephone networks would lead to rival states eavesdropping on our most intimate discussions

oh so you live in the UK?
condolences

 

[JustinSane]

I'm not so worried about the US, surely some questionable events have been occuring lately, but it is good to remember that US is one of longest standing democracies in the world, which is a good thing because democracy has it's own "self-regulating" mechanisms. Sure things may look bad now, if that is how you wish to see things, but things change, the pendulum swings, not to worry.

What worries me a hell of a lot more than the US, is Russia. I don't know how well you are aware of the situation, but there has been some pretty alarming and dodgy stuff going on in there.
Or how does quietly running down the free press, murdering reporters and journalists sound to you?
Tshetshenia, ring a bell, anyone?
There's also a whole lotta nukes and other WMD's there too, and I bet your ass that they are nowhere near as well looked after as their american counterparts. Also the standing army of several million soldiers is really something to reckon with.

Not to mention the fact that the whole coutry is corrupted to the bone, it can be seen in every level when dealing with this country.
How does this sound like to you; a captain of a submarine, carrying several nuclear devices, living a small shack, earning no more than a few hundred dollars a month? Anyone else get the thought that such a person could be rather easily persuaded into doing "stuff"?

And the most concerning fact: during it's whole history, the country has been a "democracy" less than 15 years, before that, it's been either dictatorship or monarchy. Also, it has waged war in some front pretty much throughout it's whole history.
The concepts of human rights, free democracy and civil liberties are obscured in every meaning of that word.

I'd say that the situation there is a whole lot more volatile than across the ocean, the situation is open, the pendelum is swinging freely, what will happen next?

 

[Recoil]

KoreBolteR, you were talking about three countries hating the US and UK. That's just complete BS.

 

[KoreBolteR]

KoreBolteR, you were talking about three countries hating the US and UK. That's just complete BS.

yeah, lol
i think what i said earlier reffurs to france hating the UK about the iraq war, dont you?
u reading what im reading, or lookin for excuses for an argument? :dozey:

 

[KoreBolteR]

I'm not so worried about the US, surely some questionable events have been occuring lately, but it is good to remember that US is one of longest standing democracies in the world, which is a good thing because democracy has it's own "self-regulating" mechanisms. Sure things may look bad now, if that is how you wish to see things, but things change, the pendulum swings, not to worry.

What worries me a hell of a lot more than the US, is Russia. I don't know how well you are aware of the situation, but there has been some pretty alarming and dodgy stuff going on in there.
Or how does quietly running down the free press, murdering reporters and journalists sound to you?
Tshetshenia, ring a bell, anyone?
There's also a whole lotta nukes and other WMD's there too, and I bet your ass that they are nowhere near as well looked after as their american counterparts. Also the standing army of several million soldiers is really something to reckon with.

Not to mention the fact that the whole coutry is corrupted to the bone, it can be seen in every level when dealing with this country.
How does this sound like to you; a captain of a submarine, carrying several nuclear devices, living a small shack, earning no more than a few hundred dollars a month? Anyone else get the thought that such a person could be rather easily persuaded into doing "stuff"?

And the most concerning fact: during it's whole history, the country has been a "democracy" less than 15 years, before that, it's been either dictatorship or monarchy. Also, it has waged war in some front pretty much throughout it's whole history.
The concepts of human rights, free democracy and civil liberties are obscured in every meaning of that word.

I'd say that the situation there is a whole lot more volatile than across the ocean, the situation is open, the pendelum is swinging freely, what will happen next?

sorry for the double post..

but yes, i agree.
Im sure Mr Putin is well gutted with Yushchenko winning the Ukranian elections, as Yushchenko was pro western.
I have a little feeling Putin knew about the plan to poison the opposition leader before it happened.
and lets face it, nobody can deal with russia, unless you call it world war 3.

 

[OCybrManO]

I'm not so worried about the US, surely some questionable events have been occuring lately, but it is good to remember that US is one of longest standing democracies in the world, which is a good thing because democracy has it's own "self-regulating" mechanisms. Sure things may look bad now, if that is how you wish to see things, but things change, the pendulum swings, not to worry.

You realize the only way a democracy works is when the people get the whole story and not just what the governmedia wants them to hear, right? Corporations are trying to buy access to the pendulum and make sure it always swings in their favor... and the government is slowly letting them do it because it benefits them, as well. If democracy self-regulated itself perfectly there would not be a history of dictators coming out of democracies. Look at every case in which that has happened without a violent overthrow. Guess what the common theme is. That's right, media control. ;(

When Ted Turner complains about deregulation and media consolidation you know something's wrong with it...

 

[Recoil]

i think what i said earlier reffurs to france hating the UK about the iraq war, dont you?

If that's what you meant... should've made that more clear from the beginning what you wrote there is wrong, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

 

[KoreBolteR]

If that's what you meant... should've made that more clear from the beginning what you wrote there is wrong, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

ill make myself more clear next time

how am i wrong ? :rolling:

 

[Recoil]

Uhh... apart from maybe some youngsters who find it cool to say 'F**k teh USA!!11' I do not know anybody hating US or UK...

 

[KoreBolteR]

Uhh... apart from maybe some youngsters who find it cool to say 'F**k teh USA!!11' I do not know anybody hating US or UK...

Not only the youngsters..
its your Governments aswell. :O

not to mention the majority of people there disagree of the war in iraq.

 

[Top Secret]

Not only the youngsters..
its your Governments aswell. :O

not to mention the majority of people there disagree of the war in iraq.

I think the war was a rather stupid idea. (Should we war in Iraq? No. Should we war with Afghanistan? **** yeah.)

However, now that we're there, we can't just pack up and go. And unfortunately, the rest of the world is breathing down all of our necks about it.

 

[Recoil]

its your Governments aswell.

not to mention the majority of people there disagree of the war in iraq.

Ah, see? You're talking about 'disagree' which should be a better term than 'hate' - that goes for the government and most of the people, but doesn't make them hate another country. There's no logic in 'oh-their-government-sucks-so-i-have-to-hate-300-mio-people'

 

[Incitatus]

Governments don't hate they're much to smart for that. There's sound strategic thinking behind the anti american stance of some European governments. Luckily it's not panning out to well for them

 

[KoreBolteR]

Ah, see? You're talking about 'disagree' which should be a better term than 'hate' - that goes for the government and most of the people, but doesn't make them hate another country. There's no logic in 'oh-their-government-sucks-so-i-have-to-hate-300-mio-people'

it doesnt make a difference, the people who are anti-american like most of the people in france, germany, russia are going to blame the american people. aswell as the government/bush. Because Bush was Elected last month but the majority of americans.

 

[Top Secret]

You know, to tell the truth, I like pretty much every European goverment right now. Even France. Though I am holding a grudge for the attitude they've been having lately.

 

[Recoil]

it doesnt make a difference, the people who are anti-american like most of the people in france, germany, russia are going to blame the american people. aswell as the government/bush. Because Bush was Elected last month but the majority of americans.

Most people here are anti-american?! Untrue. 'Anti-Bush' maybe. Bush =/= USA. And most people can differ between politics and people themselves I think...

 

[KoreBolteR]

Most people here are anti-american?! Untrue. 'Anti-Bush' maybe. Bush =/= USA. And most people can differ between politics and people themselves I think...

you think.. lol
thats the trouble some people cant, except for people like yourself.

You know, to tell the truth, I like pretty much every European goverment right now. Even France. Though I am holding a grudge for the attitude they've been having lately....

same here, i do like all the PEOPLE of every country in Europe , but i hate the russian and french governments, not so much the german. i see russia as extreme anti-american

 

[Top Secret]

Most people here are anti-american?! Untrue. 'Anti-Bush' maybe. Bush =/= USA. And most people can differ between politics and people themselves I think...

I'm not going to argue your point, because I think it's true. I'm just going to leap off of it.

I have a theory that Bush was re-elected because we wanted a sure fire way of 'getting it done'. American's, we're "Start something, finish it." type of people. So naturally, we don't feel that just packing up and leaving Iraq is a good choice. ----> Now, where this takes us is why Bush was re-elected. A lot of us don't like him. (Me included) HOWEVER, he is a sure fire way of getting this shit done. I think Kerry would have been a cool guy (Minus the anti lesbian statement, bastard) But we weren't sure that he could have done a better job.

Anyways, that's just my theory on why we kind of shocked the world when Bush go re-elected. Probably wrong. Just my observation.

 

[KoreBolteR]

I'm not going to argue your point, because I think it's true. I'm just going to leap off of it.

I have a theory that Bush was re-elected because we wanted a sure fire way of 'getting it done'. American's, we're "Start something, finish it." type of people. So naturally, we don't feel that just packing up and leaving Iraq is a good choice. ----> Now, where this takes us is why Bush was re-elected. A lot of us don't like him. (Me included) HOWEVER, he is a sure fire way of getting this shit done. I think Kerry would have been a cool guy (Minus the anti lesbian statement, bastard) But we weren't sure that he could have done a better job.

Anyways, that's just my theory on why we kind of shocked the world when Bush go re-elected. Probably wrong. Just my observation.

I can totally agree with you there, and see what you mean

 

[Kangy]

you think.. lol
thats the trouble some people cant, except for people like yourself.



same here, i do like all the PEOPLE of every country in Europe , but i hate the russian and french governments, not so much the german. i see russia as extreme anti-american

I don't really expect Russia to be any way other than anti-American. Nuclear arms races with the US have pushed Russia into a state of poverty and decline. If you'd be been bankrupted by a nation in the name of "who has the most weapons" trick, you'd be pretty pissed off too.

 

[KoreBolteR]

I don't really expect Russia to be any way other than anti-American. Nuclear arms races with the US have pushed Russia into a state of poverty and decline. If you'd be been bankrupted by a nation in the name of "who has the most weapons" trick, you'd be pretty pissed off too.

lol russia should forget about it, and it wasnt even russia, it was a tyrancy called "the soviet Union".
so your tellin me that russia still feels bitter over the cold war in which america edged them out, well now it all makes sense :|

 

[The Monkey]

No, but Israel, strangely enough, is. Perhaps they don't live up to all of those 14 Characteristics of Fascism, but the way that they treat the Palestinians reminds very much of the way of the way that The german treated the Jews in the early years of the Third Reich. (Before the Concentration Camps)

 

[KoreBolteR]

No, but Israel, strangely enough, is.

What about Isreal?
all i know about them is that they spied on the US pentagon couple of months back.

 

[Top Secret]

No, but Israel, strangely enough, is.

Isreal is bitter to the US? I hope I'm mis-understanding you because I know several Israelis and they all love the US.

 

[Kangy]

lol russia should forget about it, and it wasnt even russia, it was a tyrancy called "the soviet Union".
so your tellin me that russia still feels bitter over the cold war in which america edged them out, well now it all makes sense :|

It's still the same people being stricken by the poverty. There is no way to suddenly say "hey, you have a new form of government now, so now you shouldn't care that another nation's deadset economic war against your former nationality has cost you basic life standards".

Of course they're going to be bitter. If Israel and Palestine suddenly stopped killing each other, they'd still be pretty bitter with each other for a long, long time.

 

[The Monkey]

Isreal is bitter to the US? I hope I'm mis-understanding you because I know several Israelis and they all love the US.

I was responding to the topic starter.

 

[KoreBolteR]

It's still the same people being stricken by the poverty. There is no way to suddenly say "hey, you have a new form of government now, so now you shouldn't care that another nation's deadset economic war against your former nationality has cost you basic life standards".

Of course they're going to be bitter. If Israel and Palestine suddenly stopped killing each other, they'd still be pretty bitter with each other for a long, long time.

if thats the case well be calling germany "nazi land" and all hate germany for WWII.
so you saying russia is "giving" terrorists weapons and god knows what else over america being better at them? (russia being jealous? maybe?) after all these years.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Israel and the US have very close ties, to suggets otherwise is wrong, but maybe you didn't.

On the Soviet/America thing i think you are getting confused as to the source of bitterness, Israel and Palestine is a very different situation based on very different foundations. Us/Soviet hostilities were not based on religious homeland claims, there was not the level of deep seated malice which is so symptomatic of Israel/Palestine.

Kangy isn't making all that much sense. My perspective though...

 

[The Monkey]

Israel and the US have very close ties, to suggets otherwise is wrong, but maybe you didn't.

No, I was talking about Israel being facist.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Israel and the US have very close ties, to suggets otherwise is wrong, but maybe you didn't.

On the Soviet/America thing i think you are getting confused as to the source of bitterness, Israel and Palestine is a very different situation based on very different foundations. Us/Soviet hostilities were not based on religious homeland claims, there was not the level of deep seated malice which is so symptomatic of Israel/Palestine.

Kangy isn't making all that much sense. My perspective though...

yes your right, USA and Russia were in a "feud" because they were paranoid of eachother nukin eachother, lol!!

 

[Kangy]

On the Soviet/America thing i think you are getting confused as to the source of bitterness, Israel and Palestine is a very different situation based on very different foundations. Us/Soviet hostilities were not based on religious homeland claims, there was not the level of deep seated malice which is so symptomatic of Israel/Palestine.

Kangy isn't making all that much sense. My perspective though...

Oh, I know they are completely different conflicts, with different backgrounds and whatnot. What I meant was that some wounds and differences will take a long time to heal.

if thats the case well be calling germany "nazi land" and all hate germany for WWII.
so you saying russia is "giving" terrorists weapons and god knows what else over america being better at them? (russia being jealous? maybe?) after all these years.

I wasn't saying that at all. I'm just saying you can't suddenly make friends after something like that.

 

[Top Secret]

I was responding to the topic starter.

Oh, ok. Gotcha. :thumbs:

 

[JustinSane]

Man, I can't help getting the feeling that people have really been sleeping during their history classes when I read the average forum arguments that have got anything to do with any historical events :upstare:

I wouldn't call myself anti-american, that would be pretty much as stupid as hating all the white people in the world just because one of them was once rude to me

What bothers me most is, that people don't make the difference between people and the subgroups constructed from them; they speak of "americans" while in fact they are referring to goverment policies and foreign politics led by a group of grand old men, which ultimately have very little to do with your average Joe living in the US.

True, the people running the country were elected to their positions with a democratic election procedure by the majority of good folks of the united states of america.
BUT as an european, it is really hard to see the whole picture, to us the most concerning issues were naturally those regarding the foreign politics but to an american, some other, domestic issues may have carried a lot more importance, "foreign stuff" being really none of their concern.
Like said, as an european it's hard to tell and therefore I won't even go into guessing since I don't know the whole picture. Everyone's got their own motives for doing the stuff they do, who am I to question them? How would you react when somebody came up and said "Nah man, you ****ing wrong, I'll tell you how it is and that's the ****ing truth and it doesn't matter for how long and on what bassis have you been believing otherwise because this is the truth, my truth, you are wrong, YIELD!"

Yes, I do, quite strongly actually, disagree with the Bush administration in most issues, but that doesn't lead me into saying "All americans are bad, stupid, evil, ignorant [insert blatant mockery here]"

Because, that is just stupid. When you say "Americans are ****ing idiots", it would be the same as getting yourself naked, going into the middle of a road during the rush hour, wanking off and shouting "HEY PEOPLE LOOK AT ME; I'M A ****ING MORON, A ****ING RETARTED BASTARD, LOOK AT ME I'M A ****ING IDIOT!"

That's what it is, condeming a whole nation, hundeds of millions of people because of the acts carried on by a handful of men, well that's just idiotic and shows some serious lack of brain activity :x

 

[GiaOmerta]

Yes, I do, quite strongly actually, disagree with the Bush administration in most issues, but that doesn't lead me into saying "All americans are bad, stupid, evil, ignorant [insert blatant mockery here]"

Because, that is just stupid. When you say "Americans are ****ing idiots", it would be the same as getting yourself naked, going into the middle of a road during the rush hour, wanking off and shouting "HEY PEOPLE LOOK AT ME; I'M A ****ING MORON, A ****ING RETARTED BASTARD, LOOK AT ME I'M A ****ING IDIOT!"

That's what it is, condeming a whole nation, hundeds of millions of people because of the acts carried on by a handful of men, well that's just idiotic and shows some serious lack of brain activity

*insert sarcasm* But that would be too easy. */sarcasm*

Amen.

I'm disspointed in my countries adminstration as of recently. We've made some mistakes which will take decades to repair. But, I'm still alive. My family is still alive. Economy is doing fine. I have clean air to breathe. I have food to eat. I have water to drink. I can drive around. I have gas to operate my car. I own a car. I can walk around and feel safe. I have several firearms. I use my several firearms when I feel the need to. I have education. I have a continually growing education. I can speak freely. I can critcize elected and appointed officals. I can find a female counterpart. I can regularly spend time with my female counterpart. I can reproduce. The list continues for miles and miles. Yet my disappointment in a few policies I have much to live for and I shall work hard so my children have much more to live for.

 

[FragBait0]

aahhahhsa ahahhahah.

"I have clean air to breathe."

Oh that's a good one!

 

[Kyorisu]

They need some to deal with the "Just in case" scenerios. As long as they don't use them except in extreme circumstances that have never once come up then I really don't care if they have a huge surplus.

Just in case scenarios then? Well that doesn't explain why other diplomatic countries ie UK and Australia can't have their own for these special incidents.

i bet they are happy the decade of economic sanctions are over...which did much more to "crush" iraq then taking out the socialist dictator, who along with france, germany, and the UN elitists made billions while the people starved and were shot and piled into mass graves by the hundreds of thousands.

That bombing raid/air strike looked far more, than just taking out a dictator.

Onto what I want to talk about. Having all these countries in the world is just acting fo mayhem. We all need to stop being royal pricks, and learn to become one giant ruling party.

Instead of talking about all the problems with this kind of setup, I'll just say. We'd better get there before the next Ice age, or when the sun becomes hot enough to cook us.

 

[FragBait0]

Or blow ourselves up a few times over.

On a completly unrelated note, where can I find some antimatter?

 

[Tr0n]

Or blow ourselves up a few times over.

On a completly unrelated note, where can I find some antimatter?

Stick your hand up your ass.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Man, I can't help getting the feeling that people have really been sleeping during their history classes when I read the average forum arguments that have got anything to do with any historical events :upstare:

I wouldn't call myself anti-american, that would be pretty much as stupid as hating all the white people in the world just because one of them was once rude to me

What bothers me most is, that people don't make the difference between people and the subgroups constructed from them; they speak of "americans" while in fact they are referring to goverment policies and foreign politics led by a group of grand old men, which ultimately have very little to do with your average Joe living in the US.

True, the people running the country were elected to their positions with a democratic election procedure by the majority of good folks of the united states of america.
BUT as an european, it is really hard to see the whole picture, to us the most concerning issues were naturally those regarding the foreign politics but to an american, some other, domestic issues may have carried a lot more importance, "foreign stuff" being really none of their concern.
Like said, as an european it's hard to tell and therefore I won't even go into guessing since I don't know the whole picture. Everyone's got their own motives for doing the stuff they do, who am I to question them? How would you react when somebody came up and said "Nah man, you ****ing wrong, I'll tell you how it is and that's the ****ing truth and it doesn't matter for how long and on what bassis have you been believing otherwise because this is the truth, my truth, you are wrong, YIELD!"

Yes, I do, quite strongly actually, disagree with the Bush administration in most issues, but that doesn't lead me into saying "All americans are bad, stupid, evil, ignorant [insert blatant mockery here]"

Because, that is just stupid. When you say "Americans are ****ing idiots", it would be the same as getting yourself naked, going into the middle of a road during the rush hour, wanking off and shouting "HEY PEOPLE LOOK AT ME; I'M A ****ING MORON, A ****ING RETARTED BASTARD, LOOK AT ME I'M A ****ING IDIOT!"

That's what it is, condeming a whole nation, hundeds of millions of people because of the acts carried on by a handful of men, well that's just idiotic and shows some serious lack of brain activity :x

sadly Al-Qaeda dont agree with you...