Jesus Christ did not exist. Period.

Probability, my friend. The chances of the Bible being correct, in almost any way, are phenomenally small, so small that the thought of many Bible events being true is ridiculous.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Why is it ridiculous? You have no way of knowing.
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"Debatable" implies that in the absence of concrete certainty, alternatives still exist within a realm of reasonable dialogue. Saying that somebody was the son of a supreme entity, capable of walking on water, healed through touch, came back from the dead, and basically flew in the face of all of science without an ounce of credible evidence is just stupid.

Maybe Alexander the Great conquered entire armies by shooting laser beams through his eyes. You have no way of knowing he didn't!
 
Absinthe said:
"Debatable" implies that in the absence of concrete certainty, alternatives still exist within a realm of reasonable dialogue. Saying that somebody was the son of a supreme entity, capable of walking on water, healed through touch, came back from the dead, and basically flew in the face of all of science without an ounce of credible evidence is just stupid.

Maybe Alexander the Great conquered entire armies by shooting laser beams through his eyes. You have no way of knowing he didn't!
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There were no accounts of Jesus doing those things? It was about 2000 years ago. Well, Jesus or not, you still have no way of knowing if God is real.
 
A Roman emperor converted to Christianity in about 400 AD and then had Christianity edited to fit with Roman holidays, there is no reliable evidence Jesus ever existed, if there was the Romans would have been Christian in 30AD, not 400AD.
 
Nemesis6 said:
There were no accounts of Jesus doing those things? It was about 2000 years ago. Well, Jesus or not, you still have no way of knowing if God is real.
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No credible, historical accounts of Jesus doing those things outside of the Bible.

I disagree with your assertion that I can't know if God is real, as it all depends on how he's defined. For instance, I can say with the utmost certainty that the kind and benevolent God that many Christians claim exists simply can't due to the inherent contradictions of such a figure. A being that is kind and benevolent wouldn't send you to eternal damnation for not following his very strict set of rules. Alternatively, a God that created the Earth only a few thousand years ago cannot exist, because it's indisputable that the world is far older than that.

But if we're going to turn God into some generalized, vague force, then you're right that I can't know for sure. That statement has as much worth as saying I can't know Furby aliens don't inhabit Neptune.
 
Oh damnit Absinthe, I thought we had this conversation already, make sure Piggy is out of the room before talking about the Furbies!!!

*hugs Piggeh*
 
Absinthe said:
No credible, historical accounts of Jesus doing those things outside of the Bible.

I disagree with your assertion that I can't know if God is real, as it all depends on how he's defined. For instance, I can say with the utmost certainty that the kind and benevolent God that many Christians claim exists simply can't due to the inherent contradictions of such a figure. A being that is kind and benevolent wouldn't send you to eternal damnation for not following his very strict set of rules. Alternatively, a God that created the Earth only a few thousand years ago cannot exist, because it's indisputable that the world is far older than that.

But if we're going to turn God into some generalized, vague force, then you're right that I can't know for sure. That statement has as much worth as saying I can't know Furby aliens don't inhabit Neptune.
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It's only indisputable that the world is far older than a few thousand years if you use human logic BUT GOD LOGIC IS FAR SUPERIOR <end of arguement> <logical fallicy pwned by godlogic>

:D
 
Jintor said:
It's only indisputable that the world is far older than a few thousand years if you use human logic BUT GOD LOGIC IS FAR SUPERIOR <end of arguement> <logical fallicy pwned by godlogic>

:D
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Well I think it says in the Bible some thing about God measures time different then we Humans! We measure time with the Sun and moon… So think, God's time is way different then are time...

There was a ancient civilization in the mid east I think, that measure time so different that it was not by the moon or sun but I think by the stars or some type of math…

My point is that saying that in 6 days or 4000 years old can be very different to any civilization because the way we or they measure time…



CptStern said:
that clip never gets old :)
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How dos that comedian sleep at night?

LOL, no women? Men and women F things up all the time!

This is a type of guy that's say "...if its not possible then it is not..."

This guy needs to study Human history and religion very well! Funny thing, he never mentions any thing in the Bible that the technology progress we will have, that people in the past read and could not comprehend what it means! I wonder what do Athirst say back in the day?

And how the hell dos he know if God is not real, did he died before? Who is he to say? I can tell you that people that died and came back will say other wise!

Umm all the stuff that he named is 99% Humanity's fault!

1. War: Ummmmmmm we do that not God, God's army dos not interfere simply because is Humanity's fight. We must resolve are differences, and we diced war not to talk. Hummm I wonder who's fault is that? Its are fault, he gave us free will and a world, and we have all the SH#% in it, but we decide to get greedy...

2. Hunger: We decide to get greedy. We have the technology for the past 2000 years or so to feed all of the hunger in Earth! Humanity's fault!

3. Diseases: Over 50% is Humanity's fault for many reasons. There are some Doctors that destroy new medicines and cures because they cannot make money off it, so they fine some other way so they can make money of it. Also we Humans make new diseases for WAR and also other things we should not have be doing...

4. Crime: Well we simply do this for what ever reason, and some times it can be the society it self in fault for many reasons...

5. Death: Death is a part of life, what can we do? GET ALONG!

I can keep going on!

He gave us a world, free will, able to evolve to what we are to day so we can think, food and more, but we Humans take it and make the world sooo confusing!

Yes God's will was not to have a Bible or laws in the fist place... Think about it!

We made life just to confusing, think about it, what is so hard to do good?
 
I say we should bomb the **** out of heaven and hell.


WE DON'T NEED A GOD! DIE!


/end Tales of Destiny 2
 
Roman Legion said:
Well I think it says in the Bible some thing about God measures time different then we Humans! We measure time with the Sun and moon? So think, God's time is way different then are time...

There was a ancient civilization in the mid east I think, that measure time so different that it was not by the moon or sun but I think by the stars or some type of math?

My point is that saying that in 6 days or 4000 years old can be very different to any civilization because the way we or they measure time?






How dos that comedian sleep at night?

LOL, no women? Men and women F things up all the time!

This is a type of guy that's say "...if its not possible then it is not..."

This guy needs to study Human history and religion very well! Funny thing, he never mentions any thing in the Bible that the technology progress we will have, that people in the past read and could not comprehend what it means! I wonder what do Athirst say back in the day?

And how the hell dos he know if God is not real, did he died before? Who is he to say? I can tell you that people that died and came back will say other wise!

Umm all the stuff that he named is 99% Humanity's fault!

1. War: Ummmmmmm we do that not God, God's army dos not interfere simply because is Humanity's fight. We must resolve are differences, and we diced war not to talk. Hummm I wonder who's fault is that? Its are fault, he gave us free will and a world, and we have all the SH#% in it, but we decide to get greedy...

2. Hunger: We decide to get greedy. We have the technology for the past 2000 years or so to feed all of the hunger in Earth! Humanity's fault!

3. Diseases: Over 50% is Humanity's fault for many reasons. There are some Doctors that destroy new medicines and cures because they cannot make money off it, so they fine some other way so they can make money of it. Also we Humans make new diseases for WAR and also other things we should not have be doing...

4. Crime: Well we simply do this for what ever reason, and some times it can be the society it self in fault for many reasons...

5. Death: Death is a part of life, what can we do? GET ALONG!

I can keep going on!

He gave us a world, free will, able to evolve to what we are to day so we can think, food and more, but we Humans take it and make the world sooo confusing!

Yes God's will was not to have a Bible or laws in the fist place... Think about it!

We made life just to confusing, think about it, what is so hard to do good?
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YOU DIDN'T GET THE DAMN SARCASM!
 
I don't even know what the **** Roman Legion was talking about.

Roman Legion, you suck.
 
Roman Legion said:
Well I think it says in the Bible some thing about God measures time different then we Humans! We measure time with the Sun and moon? So think, God's time is way different then are time...
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this is utterly retarded reasoning that it hurts my brain

then why call it 6 days why not 2.3 specialstupidfcukinggodtime instead? it's completely nonsensical to believe god is so stupid as to forget to tell humans how long a god day is ..jeez this is so obvious even the most most dimwitted of people should be able to see this

I swear it's no wonder christians have a history of being slaughtered ..that whole christian anology to sheep is just so perfectly fitting
 
Roman Legion lost all credibility when he tried to criticize the Combine for not researching human history - particularly Roman history - and then tried to compare them, and say they were not doing certain things the Roman way.

Now he has posted another ream of bullshit.
 
It's astonishing how people think that the Bible is a book of laws divined from God when it so clearly antiquated. The extent of its concerns regarding material wealth is oxen and donkeys. How many oxen do you have, may I ask?

Oh, that is unless God uses a different definition/standard of "oxen", amirite? (Whatever that means)
 
ya when he said oxen he actually meant 40 virgins, 2 handwoven carpets, a barrel full of monkeys and a donkey ..god's definition of the word oxen is much more complicated than it is for humans ..because god needs complicated words (god has a tongue and mouth, which is why he needs to use words) to explain simple concepts
 
I hope Roman Legion was being sarcastic. If so, :LOL:

If not, :LOL:, too.
 
It's easier to pretend that an undetectable being that doesn't wish to make himself known exists than to say "Hang on, we're worshipping our imaginary friend again."
 
maybe god dont manifest itself so when we die and go the gates of heaven he will be like

god:sooo...I see what you did and say down there about me...
you:but...how...what the....you exist?
god: d'oh!
you:but why you didnt appeared or manifested yourself?
god:to see who is the first dumbass that ask,now as the rulez say I have to send you whit my friend down there since you dont seen to like me,what means you dont want to be close to me
you:but you are all mercifull!
god:hhhmmmmm..........nah
*floor doors open and you fall screaming*
 
Roman Legion said:
So think, God's time is way different then are time...
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So God wrote a book meant to be read by humans, but forgot to write in terms of human units?

How dos that comedian sleep at night?
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OMFG he insulted da Guy in da Sky!!

This is a type of guy that's say "...if its not possible then it is not..."
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Yes he is, and that is admirable.
The reason debates about UFOs and alien abduction is still open is that it is still remotely possible. But the definition of God itself makes it an impossibility.

This guy needs to study Human history and religion very well! Funny thing, he never mentions any thing in the Bible that the technology progress we will have, that people in the past read and could not comprehend what it means! I wonder what do Athirst say back in the day?
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Half of all things predicted by holy books are vague and incoherent. The other half is just BS. Srsly, have you read Leviticus or the Koran?

Umm all the stuff that he named is 99% Humanity's fault!

1. War
4. Crime

He gave us a world, free will, able to evolve to what we are to day so we can think, food and more, but we Humans take it and make the world sooo confusing!
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So he created us for NO apparent reason, keeps throwing trouble our way, and will throw us in hellfire if we don't pass the test? He's so full o' LOVE!! :E

2. Hunger
3. Diseases
5. Death
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We don't have the capacity to feed every human being, and have never had it till date.
As for disease and death, why don't you smell the coffee and admit that either-
(a) God is an imbecile OR
(b) God is a sadist.
 
Oh gee, religion once again.

Why can't people just wisen the **** up and agree that "God might exist."? And seeing how atheists are allegedly the moar intelligent of the bunch, why do they keep arguing something that, well, is an academic discussion?
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Oh gee, religion once again.

Why can't people just wisen the **** up and agree that "God might exist."? And seeing how atheists are allegedly the moar intelligent of the bunch, why do they keep arguing something that, well, is an academic discussion?
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Except the topic is technically about Jesus Christ, not necessarily God. Besides, the existence of God is a subject distinct from whether or not religion is rational.

In any case, the discussion only swayed in the presence of explicit defenses of Christianity. I don't see the problem with responding to them.
 
Yes, but surely you must find such topics also boring? Especially when the op doesn't post anything that might spark a debate, instead resorting to posting a statement in the thread title.
 
I'm glad I stumbled into this thread.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Yes, but surely you must find such topics also boring? Especially when the op doesn't post anything that might spark a debate, instead resorting to posting a statement in the thread title.
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Granted, there's not much to debate. But do I find it boring? No. I take an active interest in theology and religion. /shrug
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Oh gee, religion once again.

Why can't people just wisen the **** up and agree that "God might exist."? And seeing how atheists are allegedly the moar intelligent of the bunch, why do they keep arguing something that, well, is an academic discussion?
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Well, I guess INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN, FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER and TEAPOT IN ORBIT AROUND NEPTUNE are just as valid.
 
Samon said:
But he doesn't. :smoking:
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God MIGHT exist.

Do you want me to mail you a recording of this sentence in all caps along with a detailed explanation of the semantic difference between does and might?
 
You win Mikael. :LOL:

Mind, I'd argue should he exist he must be removed. He's sloppy, his rules are a bag of shit and I find his attitude extremely childish. I also want to address his blatant hypocrisy. He may deem rear entry unacceptable, but if you take a look at pictures of Jesus you'd be hard pressed not to imagine he was the only gay in the village.
 
Samon said:
Mind, I'd argue should he exist he must be removed. He's sloppy, his rules are a bag of shit and I find his attitude extremely childish. I also want to address his blatant hypocrisy. He may deem rear entry unacceptable, but if you take a look at pictures of Jesus you'd be hard pressed not to imagine he was the only gay in the village.
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Karma makes win return to you. :)

God might exist. But if he exists, he doesn't necessarily have to be a Christian god. He might be an omnipotent welsh corgi pembroke, with all pembrokes his divine messengers to spread his divine influence on Earth via four paw drive, lowriding awesome full-of-win shepherds.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Karma makes win return to you. :)

God might exist. But if he exists, he doesn't necessarily have to be a Christian god. He might be an omnipotent welsh corgi pembroke, with all pembrokes his divine messengers to spread his divine influence on Earth via four paw drive, lowriding awesome full-of-win shepherds.
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We need an 'alterate versions of god' thread.
 
I just watched the whole Zeitgeist movie. Fascinating stuff. Especially for we Americans.
 
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