John F. Kennedy Assassination - What's your position?

[satch919]

I've been reading a book on his assassination recently called, "High Treason", and I was wondering what you guys think about the subject.

Do you think Oswald acted alone or do you think that there was a conspiracy to to kill JFK? If you think it was a conspiracy, name who you think it was. There's tons of theories out there so I'm curious to know what others believe.

Personally, I think there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I believe that people in the highest places of government arranged for the killing and cover-up of vital evidence.

Documents being held by the government concerning this issue are supposed to be released in 2039. Maybe through the Freedom Of Information Act, we'll be able to officially get at the truth sooner.

 

[DeusExMachina]

He was either killed because

A) He was going to pull out of Vietnam and someone didn't agree with that.
B) He was going to reveal some kind of secret that he felt the American public should know about.

...That's really all I got.

 

[short recoil]

I believe this is the most discussed topic ever.
Theres so much crap around i don't know what to think about the assassination.
All i believe is that he was shot...he died.

 

[Blackghost905]

I think there is someone else that helped kill him

 

[DeusExMachina]

I believe this is the most discussed topic ever.
Theres so much crap around i don't know what to think about the assassination.
All i believe is that he was shot...he died.

Well you have to remember, Kennedy was a beloved man, probably the best president of the 20th century (no, I didn't say the best president of all, lay off my back about it). Democrats liked him, Republicans liked him, really, overall, everyone liked him. He was a good man (even though he had...engagements with Miss Monroe). People still can't believe anyone would want to kill him.

 

[satch919]

I believe this is the most discussed topic ever.
Theres so much crap around i don't know what to think about the assassination.
All i believe is that he was shot...he died.

I think it's worth discussing. Don't you think it's interesting that even after all these years, we still don't know exactly what happened? If my government was actively involved in killing it's own President, I'd like to see people brought to justice.

 

[baxter]

My opinion is he acted alone.

Rumour and speculation will always surface after the facts, and without even goggling this I have seen little to convince me otherwise

 

[satch919]

My opinion is he acted alone.

Rumour and speculation will always surface after the facts, and without even goggling this I have seen little to convince me otherwise

Military sharp shooters were unable to pop off the rounds with the accuracy and speed that would have been required to kill Kennedy. Not only that but the doctors who treated Kennedy at Parkland Hospital saw entrance wounds from the front, not from the back as the Warren Commission had claimed. Oh, and the bullet that went through flesh and bone without being fragmented and just happened to fall out onto a stretcher unscathed. In addition, doctors removed more bullet fragments from Gov. Connally's wrist than was found missing from the "magic bullet".

Those are just a few facts.

 

[baxter]

Ok lets go with this, again I've not really looked into this, but correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he in the marines, I believe a highly trained shooter.

Sorry I just don't buy it that there is some sort of conspiracy, the shooter on the grassy knoll etc.

I remember seeing years ago a documentary on this, really can't source what it was but basically this software firm reinacted all the known facts from this and even simulated the exact sequence of events. Through this simulation they determined it was impossible for the shots to come from anywhere else other than the book store. (again I apologies I really can't remember the name of this documentary)

 

[CptStern]

CIA under orders from Lyndon Johnson and other factions within the government. Oswald was a patsy

 

[satch919]

ARGH!!! I had just finished writing up a long response to baxter and hit the submit button and it kicked me back to asking me for my username and password!!!! Once I typed it in, it just gave me baxter's response in quote brackets without my response. CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't feel like typing it up again. Maybe I'll do it later on tonight. :frown:

 

[FictiousWill]

Someone made a perfect duplicate shot.

http://www.jfkreloaded.com/

 

[Sulkdodds]

CIA under orders from Lyndon Johnson and other factions within the government.

Wait...Lyndon 'big on civil rights' ' tried to set up medical care' 'war on poverty' 'removal of obstacles to rights to vote' 'social security act' 'crap at foreign policy but really quite a nice bloke' Johnson?

 

[jondy]

'crap at foreign policy but really quite a nice bloke' Johnson?

Heh although tbh he didn't really have a choice

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK alone.


But with a magic bullet.



Yes, magic has existed for centuries, and it is a closely guarded government secret.





Another theory:

Chuck Norris built a time machine and went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. As Oswald shot, Chuck met all three bullets with his beard, deflecting them. JFK's head exploded out of sheer amazement.

 

[Bob_Marley]

How many times do I have to explain this to people?

JFK shot himself. He was the second gunman on the grassy knoll because the red dwarf crew had been transported back in time and had interupted Oswald and so, to preserve the time line they travelled to the time after the failed attempt on JFK's life and took him back to that day in Dallas, Texas, in 1963. then, dressed as a police officer he shot the JFK in the car with an M16 (presububly from the time after the failed assasination.)

In all serousness, however, I believe that Oswald acted alone and that all the avalible eviedence points to this. If, at some time in the future new eviendence comes to light, I shall reveiw my position.

and for the record, Oswald was a sharp shooter in the marines and was easily capable of firing the shots with the accuracy and speed required for the assasination with the training that the had recieved.

 

[kirovman]

I think he was abducted by Area 51, and they left a corpse with a bullet wound in his place.

But seriously, this comic sums up all my thoughts: http://www.jacobsm.com/grassy.gif

 

[ComradeBadger]

Keep it clean of spam please

 

[Dalamari]

I think Oswald played a part in the pro-communism movement and did intend to kill JFK but didn't, I say it was Jack Ruby from the grassy knoll

Discuss.

 

[short recoil]

and for the record, Oswald was a sharp shooter in the marines and was easily capable of firing the shots with the accuracy and speed required for the assasination with the training that the had recieved.

In my firearms magazine i buy from time to time they went to the street where he was shot and reinacted the possible shooting positions, using real firearms (a mannlicher carcano), they also tested some conspiracy theories.
Basically they deduced that L.H.O was in the right place and the most likely to have got the shot in.

 

[Dalamari]

Didn't they have 5 of the world's best shooters try that shot and only 1 could do it?

 

[short recoil]

Ok, ok guys.....i admit it, it was me....i've kept it quiet for 42 years.

 

[satch919]

In my firearms magazine i buy from time to time they went to the street where he was shot and reinacted the possible shooting positions, using real firearms (a mannlicher carcano), they also tested some conspiracy theories.
Basically they deduced that L.H.O was in the right place and the most likely to have got the shot in.

According to the Zapruder film and other witnesses, the moment Kennedy was fist shot, a tree would have been in the way if a person was in fact at the sniper's nest. But let's just say that you're right about this part for arguements sake.

How do they explain what the doctors saw when he was brought into Parkland Hospital? For example, many of the nurses and 2 Professors of Surgery, Dr. McClelland and Dr. Ronald Coy Jones, all recorded and saw an exit wound at the back of the head. If Oswald was behind Kennedy when he was shot, wouldn't there be an exit wound at the front? This isn't the case. Additionally, the throat wound was also listed as an entry wound when they brought Kennedy in to Parkland Hospital. Again, if Oswald shot him from behind, there would be an exit wound in his throat, not a clean entry wound.

 

[short recoil]

According to the Zapruder film and other witnesses, the moment Kennedy was fist shot, a tree would have been in the way if a person was in fact at the sniper's nest. But let's just say that you're right about this part for arguements sake.

How do they explain what the doctors saw when he was brought into Parkland Hospital? For example, many of the nurses and 2 Professors of Surgery, Dr. McClelland and Dr. Ronald Coy Jones, all recorded and saw an exit wound at the back of the head. If Oswald was behind Kennedy when he was shot, wouldn't there be an exit wound at the front? This isn't the case. Additionally, the throat wound was also listed as an entry wound when they brought Kennedy in to Parkland Hospital. Again, if Oswald shot him from behind, there would be an exit wound in his throat, not a clean entry wound.

Bullets don't always leave in a straight line, they often get deflected by bones or bounce on the inside of your skull.
the 6.5mm bullet the mannlicher carcano fires is long with a rounded tip, it isn't very stable and will spin and go out of control after making contact with the target.
It's entirely possible to shoot someone in the back of the head, the bullet glances off the inside (after mashing the brain up) and coming out the back again, probably off to the side.
As for the throat, actually i do know what would cause such an injury....a bullet just scraping the surface, it would rip a nice "entry wound" out, if shot from the side.

 

[satch919]

Bullets don't always leave in a straight line, they often get deflected by bones or bounce on the inside of your skull.
the 6.5mm bullet the mannlicher carcano fires is long with a rounded tip, it isn't very stable and will spin and go out of control after making contact with the target.
It's entirely possible to shoot someone in the back of the head, the bullet glances off the inside (after mashing the brain up) and coming out the back again, probably off to the side.

Okay then, let's say that you're right again. Well, if that's the case then why is it that the "magic bullet" was nearly pristine after passing through two bodies and hitting bone? If the bullet that hit Kennedy in the head bounced inside his skull and fractured wouldn't it stand to reason that all the other bullets would do the same thing even after shattering Connally's 5th rib and dense wrist bone? But, again, a pristine bullet was found and was alleged to have hit Connally.

Why is it when the doctors were presented with "official" photos of Kennedy's head by the Warren Commission, they all immediately saw there was a difference between what they saw and what was pictured in the photo. What's the reason for altering the photo if it actually did "bounce on the inside of the skull"?

As for the throat, actually i do know what would cause such an injury....a bullet just scraping the surface, it would rip a nice "entry wound" out, if shot from the side.

But if Oswald did do the shooting, there was no shot from the side. According to the Warren Commission, the bullet entered from the back and came out the throat. There would have to be at least one other shooter to shoot Kennedy from the side as you claim. However, the bullet didn't just scrape the surface. It had depth and a clean 3-5 mm hole as described by the Dallas doctors.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I think he was abducted by Area 51, and they left a corpse with a bullet wound in his place.

But seriously, this comic sums up all my thoughts: http://www.jacobsm.com/grassy.gif

That is literally how my German teacher is during 3rd hour. It's sad and tiring. Every day he has some new spiel from prisonplanet/alex jones and some new theory to spread.

 

[CptStern]

it wouldnt kill you to listen every now and then

"emancipate yourself from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds"

I dont know how you expect to do well in university ...lateral thining is a big part of it ..you wont be spoonfed information, you'll have to do most of it yourself

 

[DeusExMachina]

That is literally how my German teacher is during 3rd hour. It's sad and tiring. Every day he has some new spiel from prisonplanet/alex jones and some new theory to spread.

Ew indeed.

 

[short recoil]

But if Oswald did do the shooting, there was no shot from the side. According to the Warren Commission, the bullet entered from the back and came out the throat. There would have to be at least one other shooter to shoot Kennedy from the side as you claim. However, the bullet didn't just scrape the surface. It had depth and a clean 3-5 mm hole as described by the Dallas doctors.

What evidence is there on an entry or exit wound on the back of his neck?
i mean if there is a clear entry wound on the back and a clear "entry" wound on the front then you must presume it has gone in one way.....

 

[satch919]

What evidence is there on an entry or exit wound on the back of his neck?
i mean if there is a clear entry wound on the back and a clear "entry" wound on the front then you must presume it has gone in one way.....

Autopsy papers show an entry wound on the upper-right portion of the back (a little off center from the spinal column). However, the Warren Commission placed this wound higher up at the base of the hair line so that it would look as if it matched the wound in Kennedy's neck. They changed it despite the observations and descriptions from the Parkland doctors (Dr. Boswell's autopsy face sheet shows this) Drainage tubes were also placed in his lungs to try to drain out the blood because there was chest damage.

 

[Pauly]

My belief?
In the 60's Mr. Kennedy (great prez btw) removes lemnitzer after
Lyman Lemnitzer, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, shows secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, a plan to fake and stage terrorist attacks in/and around Cuba and guantanoma bay for american citizens support behind military intervention in Cuba. The document is named Operation Northwoods and was eventually unclassified and thats how we know about it. When Kennedy sees this he is upset by the fact they really wanted to go through with this and removes Lemnitzer from the joint chiefs of staff.



My belief: The globalists saw that kennedy was not with their malicious side and had to get a new president so they planned out the whole assasination.

operation northwoods is crazy!
link of the scans of the document.
PDF of the Operation http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

Summary of what they wanted to do- Wikipedia source
* Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
* Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming it on Cuban forces.
* Firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military base - reminiscent of the USS Maine incident at Havana in 1898, which started the Spanish-American War - or destroy American aircraft and blame it on Cuban forces. (The document's first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a manned ship and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using unmanned drones and fake funerals instead.)
* "Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions."
* Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
* Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees:
* "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."
* Burning crops by dropping incendiary devices in Haiti, Dominican Republic or elsewhere.



Thank you Kennedy for not allowing this to take place!
Im very glad the government has never staged a terrorist attack for military intervention!

 

[dream431ca]

I think he was one of the BEST US presidents! And I live in Canada. It's a real shame he got shot..but I have yet to know why.

 

[kathaksung]

17. They killed President Kennedy

After I found I became the murder target of law enforcement agency, I visited D.A.'s office, DEA, FBI, Federal attorney's office.... .But they denied any involvement. Some government department suggested me to ask for help from local police department. Local police department said they need solid evidence such as gun, bullet. But how could I hold microwave in the air if they shoot it next door. I could only complain this to people I knew.

I had a customer whom came every half year or so. One Saturday, she came to buy something. I talked about events happened recently and expressed disappointment about system. She didn't say anything and left.

Next day, I was surprised to see her coming again. She didn't buy anything. She simply talked about the murdering issue I told her yesterday and left right away after leaving a word:" So what, they even killed President Kennedy."

I was shocked. Obviously she was coming to deliver the word of scorn and intimidation for FBI. There was no DEA when JFK was assassinated.

 

[Polaris]

I think he was assasined by agent of american powerful group or secret government because he failed in invasion to Cuba (Bay of Pigs).
Kennedy decided against giving the faltering invasion US air support and he also canceled several sorties of bombings (only two took place) on the grounded Cuban Airforce, which might have crippled the Cuban Airforce and given air superiority to the invaders.
If FOIA will give some informations about assasination, they can't tell the truth to people...

"There is still a conspiracy, the shadow government of powerful, invisible men,
the engineers of the future, we can't see them, we can't stop them."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

it wouldnt kill you to listen every now and then

"emancipate yourself from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds"

I dont know how you expect to do well in university ...lateral thining is a big part of it ..you wont be spoonfed information, you'll have to do most of it yourself

I get dumber everytime he tries to tell me Washington DC is satanic. Sorry.

 

[CptStern]

I get dumber everytime he tries to tell me Washington DC is satanic. Sorry.

satanic or imperialistic ..there's a huge difference :E

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

satanic or imperialistic ..there's a huge difference :E

I'm actually not exaggerating. Every day it's about the Satanic architectural layout of Washington DC, the freemasons, illuminati, etc etc etc.

Like Bush or not, you know he's not a Satanist. My teacher saw Bush doing the sign for the Texas Longhorns and printed the picture, holds it up saying 'see it's even proof they're in a satanic cult' and he links it to skull and bones and a bunch of other stuff.

He's not even a liberal he's just crazy. He thinks Kerry and Bush and everyone meet up in their skull and bones frat and plan the world's runnings to try and take over the UN and the world.

 

[CptStern]

I'm actually not exaggerating. Every day it's about the Satanic architectural layout of Washington DC, the freemasons, illuminati, etc etc etc.

Like Bush or not, you know he's not a Satanist. My teacher saw Bush doing the sign for the Texas Longhorns and printed the picture, holds it up saying 'see it's even proof they're in a satanic cult' and he links it to skull and bones and a bunch of other stuff.

He's not even a liberal he's just crazy. He thinks Kerry and Bush and everyone meet up in their skull and bones frat and plan the world's runnings to try and take over the UN and the world.

you must be exagerating at least a tad bit cuz no school board would allow a teacher to deviate that far from the set curriculum

 

[clarky003]

He's not even a liberal he's just crazy. He thinks Kerry and Bush and everyone meet up in their skull and bones frat and plan the world's runnings to try and take over the UN and the world.

Then if your not suspicious your doomed to have leader's who openly admit they have some kind of weird exclusive cult where you dont really know whats going on! (and these are the people you are supposed to trust), so you cant say that they dont do that stuff because you dont know, and opposed to your opinion Jones has actually been there and snuck into a meeting.. video taped and seen them performing a mock sacrifice to an owl called molek... that strikes me as fooking weird.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Do the Freemasons allow people of tan color to join them? I always wanted to be one .