Just a thought....

[Llama]

...Suppose a girl in your class (If you are a schoolchild) is raped, beaten and stabbed. Now, you can see it happening. Suppose you have a gun / sword in your pocket. If you could, you would kill the rapist. I know i would. Would you?

PS. Sorry for the rather grave question. Im bored

 

[Absinthe]

He's raping, beating her, and stabbing her at the same time?

My ideal plan would be to yell, hold him at gunpoint, and make him get off of her. If he didn't get off or tried to escape, I'd pop him one or two in his lower body. Then I'd wait for the police to show up.

Realistically, I think most of that would fall through. But if he started to run, I'd probably shoot him without giving a damn as to where I'm aiming. At that point, I probably couldn't care if he dies.

 

[ONE MAN CLAN]

He's raping, beating her, and stabbing her at the same time?

My ideal plan would be to yell, hold him at gunpoint, and make him get off of her. If he didn't get off or tried to escape, I'd pop him one or two in his lower body. Then I'd wait for the police to show up.

Realistically, I think most of that would fall through. But if he started to run, I'd probably shoot him without giving a damn as to where I'm aiming. At that point, I probably couldn't care if he dies.

i wouldn't kill him, i'd cut his dick off and let him go to jail, it's a lot wost than killing

 

[AJ Rimmer]

I would shoot him in the leg and carve the word RAPIST on his naked back so the guys in prison knew where to aim.

 

[Kangy]

If she's being stabbed, time really isn't in my favour. I'd guess I would have to shoot to incapacitate and ring the emergency services as fast as I could.

 

[Llama]

i had a nightmare about this last night...it was a girl i really liked.....i killed the guy and chopped his arms off

 

[KoreBolteR]

id shoot him in the leg

also put the attacker in pain till the police and ambulance came.

 

[ONE MAN CLAN]

:frown:

If she's being stabbed, time really isn't in my favour. I'd guess I would have to shoot to incapacitate and ring the emergency services as fast as I could.

stop posting and get back to work













just joking

 

[Llama]

Strange what i think about isnt it?

 

[CptStern]

I carry my sword for just such an occasion ...everytime I see a rapist I challenge him to a duel but since they usually dont have a sword I win every time

 

[short recoil]

A girl in my class?, well i'm not in class but lets just say a girl from my work.
If i had a gun then i would shoot the rapist in the head with the gun.
Then i would give the girl medical attention.

Being the UK i doubt i would have a gun, and if i did i would get raped for 5 years in prison for having one anyway, even if i did good and killed the rapist.
......so i would most likely have a knife, in which case i would take the rapist on, stab the knife into the side of his neck, just where the windpipe meets the neck muscle, punch outward with the knife.....killing him within a few seconds, messy but effective.

 

[Llama]

Good job i dont know you.....

*Short Recoil stabs Llama*

:thumbs:

 

[short recoil]

Good job i dont know you.....

*Short Recoil stabs Llama*

:thumbs:

No, you've got me completely wrong, i never harm anything unless i need to as such.
I have never ever picked a fight on anyone, never hurt anyone.
I fight to protect myself and humans that are friends e.t.c

I am a very friendly, passive person.

 

[Llama]

i know what you mean dont worry

 

[DeusExMachina]

I'd definetly do everything in my power to stop it and get the bastard off her, but I probably wouldn't kill him unless I really had to.

 

[Bodacious]

Nobody carries pepperspray or a taser?

I am for guns just as much as the next guy but in a situation like that non lethal methods should be used first and foremost. The rapist should pay for his crimes I, personaly would rather see the justice system handle it than to kill him outright.

For example, my self-defense weapon is a .22 handgun. I could shoot someone in the abs or lower and the chances they would survive the wounds are a lot higher than if I aimed at the chest or head. When I have the money I plan on buying a shotgun and use rubber bullets or ean bag rounds.

I guess I don't want to explain to the cops why there is a dead body in my house. If I could have the person in zip ties waiting for the police to show up while they endured excrutiation pain of taking the hits from a shotgun, I think I would be better off.

 

[kmack]

Nobody carries pepperspray or a taser?


For example, my self-defense weapon is a .22 handgun. I could shoot someone in the abs or lower and the chances they would survive the wounds are a lot higher than if I aimed at the chest or head. When I have the money I plan on buying a shotgun and use rubber bullets or ean bag rounds.

weapons are for the weak, and no one embodies cowardice more than someone who needs a firearm to feel safe.

I would walk over to the assailant, and kick him in the teeth. Doesnt anyone think of using physical force instead of guns anymore? Physical force would all but guarentee that the suspect would survive to face prosecution. If you are too weak that is your fault (more time at the gym and less at the shooting range perhaps?).

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Funny how a lot of people have big elaborate plans to save the girl and not kill the guy, only wound him or something.

I'd shoot him as many times as I could in a few seconds as soon as I could.

weapons are for the weak, and no one embodies cowardice more than someone who needs a firearm to feel safe.

I would walk over to the assailant, and kick him in the teeth. Doesnt anyone think of using physical force instead of guns anymore? Physical force would all but guarentee that the suspect would survive to face prosecution. If you are too weak that is your fault (more time at the gym and less at the shooting range perhaps?).

When it's life or death, especially of another innocent helpless person, any crap about being honorable or being a tough guy doesn't matter. What matters is stopping the situation ASAP.

 

[kmack]

When it's life or death, especially of another innocent helpless person, any crap about being honorable or being a tough guy doesn't matter. What matters is stopping the situation ASAP.

given the situation (a classroom) pulling a weapon takes more time than moving in on a person (assuming the weapon is concealed and with a safety on) also, physical attack prevent the chance of anyone innocent getting hurt. The main beef I have with people who insist on CARRYING guns for protection, is the chance that innocents get hurt. It is my opinion that they are too weak and cowardly to defend themselves by other means and therefore rely on a gun. Personally i feel bad for these people.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I guess safety to them means carrying a .357 colt anaconda around...

 

[kmack]

I guess safety to them means carrying a .357 colt anaconda around...

haha! it just seems so utterly ridiculous to me, if you can't survive in the world without a firearm to "protect yourself" you might as well leap off a bridge as you are so pathetic humanity at large can ONLY benefit from your passing.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

given the situation (a classroom) pulling a weapon takes more time than moving in on a person (assuming the weapon is concealed and with a safety on) also, physical attack prevent the chance of anyone innocent getting hurt. The main beef I have with people who insist on CARRYING guns for protection, is the chance that innocents get hurt. It is my opinion that they are too weak and cowardly to defend themselves by other means and therefore rely on a gun. Personally i feel bad for these people.

Two to three seconds, and then you're at range, with immediate incapacitation.

Is a 110lb woman carrying a gun and shooting a 225lb rapist in the ally a weak and cowardly person? Obviously not. It's not about being a tough guy like I said or proving you're brave. It's nothing to do with being weak or strong- it's about not being killed, raped, or robbed by your attacker.

 

[kmack]

Two to three seconds, and then you're at range, with immediate incapacitation.

Is a 110lb woman carrying a gun and shooting a 225lb rapist in the ally a weak and cowardly person? Obviously not. It's not about being a tough guy like I said or proving you're brave. It's nothing to do with being weak or strong- it's about not being killed, raped, or robbed by your attacker.

and when the 225 lb rapist gets the gun?

take the Nichols case, a female sheriffs deputy (someone trained to use a firearm) is overpowered by a convict, he takes the gun, and murders the judge in the case, the court reporter, a deputy and a federal agent. He is also accused of assaulting at least three people and is suspected in multiple carjackings. (This is just the most recent case I could think of)

I suppose someone too weak to fend for themselves should arm themselves, but pepperspray or better a taser would be better, although not as effective they are very powerful deterrents, and would not harm innocent people.

When guns are involved, more innocent people get hurt than if you could defend yourself physically, or with non-lethal components.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

and when the 225 lb rapist gets the gun?

take the Nichols case, a female sheriffs deputy (someone trained to use a firearm) is overpowered by a convict, he takes the gun, the judge in the case, the court reporter, a deputy and a federal agent. He is also accused of assaulting at least three people and is suspected in multiple carjackings. (This is just the most recent case I could think of)

When guns are involved, more innocent people get hurt.

The Nichols case was due to improper procedure. Obviously having a small female deputy to escort a large male convict is looking for trouble.

If she didn't have the gun, she's going to get raped. If he took the gun, she will too. If he doesn't (which he hardly ever would be able to in that situation) he is dead/wounded and she is safe

 

[kmack]

The Nichols case was due to improper procedure. Obviously having a small female deputy to escort a large male convict is looking for trouble.

If she didn't have the gun, she's going to get raped. If he took the gun, she will too. If he doesn't (which he hardly ever would be able to in that situation) he is dead/wounded and she is safe

How do you think most rapes start? there is no time to draw a weapon as they are usually overpowered before they know there is a threat. The guy isnt going to stand 12 yards away and say im gonna rape you!

but what if there was no gun? if there was mace or a taser? (bodacious was right on i just took it farther and said no one can defend themselves physically anymore) and if a trained sheriffs deputy can be overpowerd and have their weapon used against them, surely an average citizen is just as suseptable.

I should remind you that the situation this topic is about is if we were bystanders to someone else being raped. I simply said i would not need a gun and someone who did NEED one in such a situation is a weak coward.

 

[Kebean PFC]

I would not NEED a gun, but i sure would like one.

given the situation (a classroom) pulling a weapon takes more time than moving in on a person (assuming the weapon is concealed and with a safety on)

Maybe you should go to the range sometime? I can get a .22 bullet in a 1in circle at 50yds within one second. Two if i have to rake the action. Please think before you blindly talk, some of us are VERY proficient with guns.

and when the 225 lb rapist gets the gun?

take the Nichols case, a female sheriffs deputy (someone trained to use a firearm) is overpowered by a convict, he takes the gun, and murders the judge in the case, the court reporter, a deputy and a federal agent. He is also accused of assaulting at least three people and is suspected in multiple carjackings. (This is just the most recent case I could think of)

Ahh the standard females are too weak for guns... BS. First it was bad planning on the cops part, you don't put a small cop and a big guy together, just asking for trouble. Also, how many times had this woman saved a life, or her own by using her firearm effectivly before the trial?

NEED one in such a situation is a weak coward.

So you think that all guys are 6'4 and 200lbs of muscle? Most Americans wouldn't even know where to hit a man to bring him down, and if i saw a rape in progress and i had a gun, the rapist would feel a cold circle at the base of his neck. If he chose to comply, then i wouldn't shoot him. If he made a move to get away i would kill him. I would not walk up to him and beat him up.

What if he knew Karate or Jujitsu (sp?)? Why rob yourself of effective means of protection? There is honor to be had in wielding a gun. This is the real world, not some made up TV or movie crap where you point a gun in someones general direction and the bullet homes in on thier heads. You actualy have to aim, and have a smooth trigger pull. Everyone can shoot a gun, not everone can hit thier target.

 

[kmack]

I would not NEED a gun, but i sure would like one.


Maybe you should go to the range sometime? I can get a .22 bullet in a 1in circle at 50yds within one second. Two if i have to rake the action. Please think before you blindly talk, some of us are VERY proficient with guns.

i would hope you will take more than a second with a struggling person so close by, as well as innocent bystanders, safety off bullet not in chamber and strapped onto you 1 second is very good you are pretty much my hero.

Ahh the standard females are too weak for guns... BS. First it was bad planning on the cops part, you don't put a small cop and a big guy together, just asking for trouble. Also, how many times had this woman saved a life, or her own by using her firearm effectivly before the trial?

I don't know how many times it saved a life, neither do you, i do know it ended 4.

So you think that all guys are 6'4 and 200lbs of muscle? Most Americans wouldn't even know where to hit a man to bring him down, and if i saw a rape in progress and i had a gun, the rapist would feel a cold circle at the base of his neck. If he chose to comply, then i wouldn't shoot him. If he made a move to get away i would kill him. I would not walk up to him and beat him up.

Conversly, most americans wouldnt A. HAve a gun in that situation or B. be able to use it with maximum efficiency and safety

What if he knew Karate or Jujitsu (sp?)? Why rob yourself of effective means of protection? There is honor to be had in wielding a gun. This is the real world, not some made up TV or movie crap where you point a gun in someones general direction and the bullet homes in on thier heads. You actualy have to aim, and have a smooth trigger pull. Everyone can shoot a gun, not everone can hit thier target.

Well then he would at least be taken off the victim long enough for them to escape and perhaps help to come, and who doesnt like a good fight . There is no honor in wielding a gun. There is really no honor in any violence, but taking someones life, and endangering others with a concealed firearm in a situation that warrents non lethal force is irresponsible and COMPLETELY without honor.

My point is simple, in this situation a gun is unnecessary, to need to rely on one in this situation is cowardice and involves endangering more people than either a physical attack or a non lethal pepper spray or taser.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Saftey on, Bullet not in chamber, one second. And i probably would not take anytime to aim, just walk up to him and put the muzzle on his neck.

There is no honor in wielding a gun. There is really no honor in any violence

That is your opinion, But the last part i agree with, there is no honor in violence.

 

[Hapless]

Now let's think about this for a minute. The scenario is that the rapist is raping, beating AND stabbing a woman. If I pepper spray this turd, he's still got a knife, and he still has the capability of harming the woman further. He also has the capapbility to harm me. If I have a TASER (which stands for Tom A. Swift Electric Rifle for you trivia buffs), that will more than likely do the trick. IF I have a TASER. But let's say I don't have a TASER. I could tackle the guy, which will more than likely result in TWO stabbed people. Or I could shoot him. We can all agree that stabbing can lead to death, right. That renders this a deadly force situation, right. Use of a firearm is deadly force, is it not? Another interesting bit of trivia is that several studies have shown that within 21 feet an assailant armed with a knife can get to and strike a person with a holstered firearm before that person can draw and fire the weapon. Furthermore, shooting to incapacitate works well on TV, but rarely works in real life. Unless you can control your body enough to withstand the andrenaline rush, and aim for and hit a leg, an arm or whatnot every time, it just ain't gonna happen. You shoot to stop the threat. Studies have also shown that someone hopped up on certain drugs, adrenaline, or mentally deranged people can and often do survive numerous fatal gunshots long enough to kill or seriously injure their victims. This is real life.

As to kmack, I carry a gun every day to protect people like you from people who are so weak they feel the need to carry firearms. Where do you live, Pleasantville?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I should remind you that the situation this topic is about is if we were bystanders to someone else being raped. I simply said i would not need a gun and someone who did NEED one in such a situation is a weak coward.

Well sorry then. Brand me a coward and weakling and any other names you wish, but a rapist is dead and an innocent girl saved. What my social status is because of it isn't going to bother me.

 

[Llama]

Remember guys, this is a 13 year old girl, not a fully grown woman. Does the fact the victim is so young change your mindscape? (Not sniping, actual question)

 

[Kangy]

Tenjin, I'm not sure why you'd have to kill the guy. It'd be very easy to put 1 shot into somewhere painfu but not lethal and then knock him out, or pull him off. Seriously, getting that girl help is what's important.

 

[Murray]

I'd remove his weapons. Both of them.
(Blatant Sin City ripoff)

 

[Razor]

I would do everything in my power to protect the girl and apprahend the criminal, if that means shooting to incapitate or even shooting to kill, so be it.

However, the welfare of the woman, i would put above the capture of the rapist.

 

[kmack]

Well sorry then. Brand me a coward and weakling and any other names you wish, but a rapist is dead and an innocent girl saved. What my social status is because of it isn't going to bother me.

or maybe the rapist knocks you down, grabs your gun, kills the girl, you, and everyone in the room.

it just adds danger to a situation. Frankly its selfishness as you are risking the lives of everyone around you. I dont want to be walking next to some punk with a gun, sure maybe he is a pro and could drop a threat in a second, but maybe he is a clown and will get more people hurt if he tries to use it.

Pepper spray, taser, or physical violence is better in this situation, thats all im saying.

but, if the shoe fits...

 

[Razor]

or maybe the rapist knocks you down, grabs your gun, kills the girl, you, and everyone in the room.

it just adds danger to a situation. Frankly its selfishness as you are risking the lives of everyone around you. I dont want to be walking next to some punk with a gun, sure maybe he is a pro and could drop a threat in a second, but maybe he is a clown and will get more people hurt if he tries to use it.

Pepper spray, taser, or physical violence is better in this situation, thats all im saying.

but, if the shoe fits...

What room? So he was raping her in a room full of people? :dozey:

 

[MjM]

I would try not to kill anyone, if u decide to use a weapon you're taking the risk of wounding or killing even the person you are trying to help.

I read somewhere, a woman was being raped, the rapist stuck his tounge in her mouth, she bit it off, he ran away, she called the cops, he got put away.The end.

 

[kmack]

I would try not to kill anyone, if u decide to use a weapon you're taking the risk of wounding or killing even the person you are trying to help.

I read somewhere, a woman was being raped, the rapist stuck his tounge in her mouth, she bit it off, he ran away, she called the cops, he got put away.The end.

people are too trigger happy, and when they are walking around with a concealed weapon playing (their hero) walker texas ranger, the chances for someone else being harmed increases greatly. Pepperspray and to a less extent tasers are wonderful for someone unable to protect themselves, guns are just a bit to dangerous and the chance someone else gets a hold of them puts others in danger. In this situation a gun is not a good choice.

and i still think anyone who feels they need to carry a gun to feel safe is a pathetic weak, cowardly human.

 

[Hapless]

people are too trigger happy, and when they are walking around with a concealed weapon playing (their hero) walker texas ranger, the chances for someone else being harmed increases greatly. Pepperspray and to a less extent tasers are wonderful for someone unable to protect themselves, guns are just a bit to dangerous and the chance someone else gets a hold of them puts others in danger. In this situation a gun is not a good choice.

and i still think anyone who feels they need to carry a gun to feel safe is a pathetic weak, cowardly human.

Sigh. Think what you want. There is ample evidence to show that those states which have enacted concealed carry laws have seen a significant drop in violent crime. TASER's are much more effective than pepper spray. People can fight through pepper spray, and there are some people that pepper spray has no effect on a all. You can't fight through being TASE'd.

And once again, I am required by law and policy to carry a gun to protect supermen like you from pathetic, weak, cowardly humans who feel they need to carry a gun.

 

[bvasgm]

Nicely put. Kmack, you're telling me that you'd rush the guy when he's holding a knife? Sorry, but I don't see that happening. It doesn't matter how strong of tough you think you are. All that matters is that he's got a deadly weapon, and you don't.