Kucinich urges supporters towards Obama

[BabyHeadCrab]

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"I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn't reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change."

Personally I'm glad to see this, being largely in support of everything Kucinich stood for, while at the same time seeking a more realistic candidate. I have to say I still question Obama's leadership abilities with him being relatively new to holding any kind of political office. Despite this it seems with every recent news item I lean more and more towards voting for Obama in the primary.

 

[Tyguy]

screw obama, he would take funding away from nasa, amongst his other bullshit politics

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

screw obama, he would take funding away from nasa, amongst his other bullshit politics

Care to elaborate on "his other bullshit politics"?

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

NASA doesn't deserve money with their stupidity.
Scientist 1
"Hey GUZ! teh foam is breaking off and breaking the shuttle, OMGz, WAT shood we doooz?"
Scientist 2
"Hey, make HARDER foam, yea."
Scientist1
"YEEEAA!"


Yea, and it breaks off and makes bigger damages. VEEEERY well thought out.


anywayz, If it's Obama vs Guliani, I'd rather Obama.

 

[Eejit]

Yes. People who work at NASA are well known for their sub-standard intelligence Portal.

 

[jondy]

It's OK, Portal's well known for his sub-standard intelligence.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

well how smart is it to replace foam that keeps breaking off with harder foam? That's like having an anvil hit you in the head everyday and asking for a bigger one, thinking it will hurt less.

DUMB, that simple. And must I remind you all of the most recent scandal? Crazy diaper astronaut lady? A company's workers are often the best example of the company's efforts.

 

[theotherguy]

well how smart is it to replace foam that keeps breaking off with harder foam? That's like having an anvil hit you in the head everyday and asking for a bigger one, thinking it will hurt less.

DUMB, that simple. And must I remind you all of the most recent scandal? Crazy diaper astronaut lady? A company's workers are often the best example of the company's efforts.

They use sub-standard materials because of low funding nobody was paying attention to the foam because it was such a minor detail that they thought they did not have to devote their limited resources to. The shuttle is an aging platform, and that's why it's being replaced. Engineers, given enough resources, could feasibly design an extremely safe spacecraft, but given timetables and budget constraints, things can happen. The solution is to increase funding, not decrease it.

As for the recent scandals, I don't think its very representative of most of the people at NASA. They've just had their share of bad luck recently.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

recently? You mean for the lat 30 years! Besides the rovers and moon landings, they've f'd up everything. Cutting funds would force them to work harder, then raise them when they show some progress above the common sense of a dolphin.

 

[Solaris]

recently? You mean for the lat 30 years! Besides the rovers and moon landings, they've f'd up everything. Cutting funds would force them to work harder, then raise them when they show some progress above the common sense of a dolphin.

**** off. Really, you know nothing of physics or space travel. Your posts in this thread, as with every politics post you make are uninformed but assertive. You make conclusions showing no reasoning showing off your ignorance.

NASA have ****ed everything up?
What besides reaching the moon you mention, there most remarkable project and imo Mankinds greatest achievement. I look at the pictures from hubble in amazement and awe. The knowledge NASA have generated is truly magnificent.

Quite frankly, how dare you criticize them like that; such brilliant people who have contributed so much to mankind. And what have you done. What more noble pursuit is there than the exploration of our universe. What more magnificent frontier of Science exists?

 

[Stigmata]

recently? You mean for the lat 30 years! Besides the rovers and moon landings, they've f'd up everything. Cutting funds would force them to work harder, then raise them when they show some progress above the common sense of a dolphin.

"Hey Billy, I'll give you $10 to build me a shelf."
"Okay dad!"
Ten dollars later...
"Billy, I put a plate on the shelf and it split in two. What gives?"
"I didn't have much money so I had to make the shelf out of plywood."
"Well, shit son. Now I need another shelf. Here's $8 to build a new one, and get better wood this time."

 

[mastag]

A thread about Dennis Kucinich becomes a thread about NASA.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Punishment stigmata. 8 billion rather then 10 billion is a whole different story then 8 and 10 dollars. Nasa need to learn that they don't get money if they keep doing dumb things.

And Solaris, Nasa Sucks. The EU and Russia has done more successful space travel and mission in the last 10 years then Nasa has done in the last 30. Add Hubble, great, then it just goes to show how dumb they are again that their abandoning it.

All My fault for where this is going, back on topic.


Ok, I'd vote for Obama if the repubs suck again.

UPDATE: Ok, so I guess I'm talking from a stance looking at recent history. We are in a war gobbling up money, about to create social Medicare, gobbling up MORE money, and we somehow expect to be able to pay for NASA ALSO? Pffhahaha. Where is this money coming from? Space?

So anyway, if it's a choice between guliani and barak, barak seems better due to his anti war stance, thus allowing SOME money back.

 

[Avoidist]

Punishment stigmata. 8 billion rather then 10 billion is a whole different story then 8 and 10 dollars. Nasa need to learn that they don't get money if they keep doing dumb things.

And Solaris, Nasa Sucks. The EU and Russia has done more successful space travel and mission in the last 10 years then Nasa has done in the last 30. Add Hubble, great, then it just goes to show how dumb they are again that their abandoning it.

All My fault for where this is going, back on topic.


Ok, I'd vote for Obama if the repubs suck again.

If you wanted to go more on topic you wouldn't have become even more slanderous and stupid. Abandoning Hubble has not been a split second decision, imbecile. The cost of maintenance on such an old piece of technology has gotten to the point where its best that it is abandoned, and a new satellite put up in time.

Calling it a stupid move just proves your ignorance. These are some the smartest people in your country, even the world. Your opinion means absolute bull against these people. I'm curious as to what it is you are studying or what job you are doing that gives you such elevation over the greatest minds in science and engineering?

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Hubble could be upgraded.

But anyways, Nasa isn't doing much at all. I'll have more faith in them when we get to pluto successfully (2015?)

Sure, their finally pulling their crap together, but Jeez have they been horrible in the past.

My point is where is this funding money coming from?

 

[Crushenator 500]

**** off. Really, you know nothing of physics or space travel. Your posts in this thread, as with every politics post you make are uninformed but assertive. You make conclusions showing no reasoning showing off your ignorance.

NASA have ****ed everything up?
What besides reaching the moon you mention, there most remarkable project and imo Mankinds greatest achievement. I look at the pictures from hubble in amazement and awe. The knowledge NASA have generated is truly magnificent.

Quite frankly, how dare you criticize them like that; such brilliant people who have contributed so much to mankind. And what have you done. What more noble pursuit is there than the exploration of our universe. What more magnificent frontier of Science exists?

Qfe... I'm not sure about the last sentance though, there's lots of magnificent things science is doing (like with health)

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Qfe... I'm not sure about the last sentance though, there's lots of magnificent things science is doing (like with health)

I think it's safe to say that the expenditures of NASA have contributed to every field of science in some way. Here's some quick googl'n of NASA + Health

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/earth-sun/applications/theme11.htm
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2006/hm_2.html

Also, it appears I've contributed to derailing my own thread. Oh fie

(I'm not refuting anyone, I just find this stuff fascinating).

 

[Stigmata]

Punishment stigmata. 8 billion rather then 10 billion is a whole different story then 8 and 10 dollars. Nasa need to learn that they don't get money if they keep doing dumb things.

But the whole reason they do "dumb" things is because they don't have enough money to do the "smart" things.

If NASA was doing poorly out of sheer incompetence, this would be a different story. But punishing them because they weren't given enough money is the exact opposite of what you'd call "logical".

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I guess the argument could be made that unless you're going to give them big bucks, don't give them much at all.

Not that it's a good argument, because NASA has revolutionized nearly every field of applicable science we commonly use today.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Well where would this money come from?

Dollar's collapsing, economy is crashing, war is costing trillions now, social medicare is about to be created which means trillions more to waste on, then there's the rebuilding cost of the war etc, etc.

F NASA, we don't have time for the moon or mars when the gov has f'd themselves like this.

Now, after all the above are resolved, THEN we will worry about it.

 

[Crushenator 500]

Well where would this money come from?

Dollar's collapsing, economy is crashing, war is costing trillions now, social medicare is about to be created which means trillions more to waste on, then there's the rebuilding cost of the war etc, etc.

F NASA, we don't have time for the moon or mars when the gov has f'd themselves like this.

Now, after all the above are resolved, THEN we will worry about it.

Maybe if that stupid uneccessary war that has cost trillions and caused the dollar to plummet didn't happen then there wouldn't be a problem... I can't be bothered starting an argument with you about that though since you're clearly either mentally handicaped, very young, or both

Space exploration is a far more noble quest than fighting the middle east for their oil

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Hey I hate the war too. Bring it up with the dumb guy in charge. Hopefully someone gets in next and gets out of that crap hole.

Don't think I'm for it. If we didn't go there we'd probably be on Mars by now.


But back on topic, I believe Obama is pretty smart with these terms. He'd do good in charge. No Washington or Lincoln, but good enough as to help the nation.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

As much as I hate to admit it, in many respects I agree with PortalStormzzzz. We need to fix our economic and international crisis before we put huge amounts of money into Aeronautics and Space research.

 

[Tyguy]

Portal, I know you probably think your making sense, but as almost everyone else said, your as ignorant as you are dumb...regarding our economy and NASA that is...

Hubble is coming down in a few years to make way for a brank new satelite telescope, one with improved lensing technology...something they cant just "add" to hubble.

As for where the money would come from, well, theres always the pointless war we are in....instead of advancing our knowledge of the cosmos, we feel the need to invade a country, ya know....cause we were bored.

 

[Operational]

Kucinich... isn't he a magical wood elf?

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Portal, I know you probably think your making sense, but as almost everyone else said, your as ignorant as you are dumb...regarding our economy and NASA that is...

Hubble is coming down in a few years to make way for a brank new satelite telescope, one with improved lensing technology...something they cant just "add" to hubble.

As for where the money would come from, well, theres always the pointless war we are in....instead of advancing our knowledge of the cosmos, we feel the need to invade a country, ya know....cause we were bored.

I 100% agree with you except 2 things.

1) Hubble should be sold or safely brought down, not destroyed. It's a museum of how we used tech in these days. it should somehow either remain a float, or brought down for museum. Another thought is, attach it to the ISS. They already got a telescope, but the Hubble could be an upgrade. Crazy yea, but you never know.

2) What's wrong with what I said with the economy. it's going into recession. it will pop back up in a few years as normally, but until then, we should focus our attention on economy. end the war and fix the economy, then worry about space. Planets and everything have billions of years till they are gone, our economic woes are possible nation killers. No money = no funding.

 

[99.vikram]

F NASA, we don't have time for the moon or mars when the gov has f'd themselves like this.

With that attitude we would still be in the dark ages. Humanity doesn't exist to just eat and sh*t like animals. Science is our purpose. It gives us what little hope we have.

 

[Stigmata]

With that attitude we would still be in the dark ages. Humanity doesn't exist to just eat and sh*t like animals. Science is our purpose. It gives us what little hope we have.

Ignorant as he is, he has a point. If America pours a lot of money into NASA, it's just going to take even longer for them to fix their economy. Mars can wait a couple years.

 

[Jerry_111]

As much as I hate to admit it, in many respects I agree with PortalStormzzzz. We need to fix our economic and international crisis before we put huge amounts of money into Aeronautics and Space research.

The truth of the matter is NASA only makes up less than ONE PERCENT of the entire federal budget. The nation spends more on pet toys each year than on NASA. People talk about how money is thrown away into space -- wrong, that money does go somewhere! It creates thousands of jobs, pure scientific research, commercial spin-offs, and let's not forget that space is only half of what NASA does. There's an aeronautics portion to it as well. If anything, NASA is underfunded. Its budget was at its highest about 30-40 years ago.

I'd worry more about downsizing the military.

 

[jverne]

screw obama, he would take funding away from nasa, amongst his other bullshit politics

what really? then he doesn't get my approval.

i agree that we need to fix our economy. before going to mars.
personally i think the world should have a unified space program/agency not every man for himself.


and Portal...you're a dick for making such bald unargumented statements.




edit....heh funny i think somebody just cut my post count. wasn't i at 2000?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Space exploration should be commercialised.

 

[jverne]

Space exploration should be commercialised.

without government infrastructure and support that's not going to be easy.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Punishment stigmata. 8 billion rather then 10 billion is a whole different story then 8 and 10 dollars. Nasa need to learn that they don't get money if they keep doing dumb things.

And Solaris, Nasa Sucks. The EU and Russia has done more successful space travel and mission in the last 10 years then Nasa has done in the last 30. Add Hubble, great, then it just goes to show how dumb they are again that their abandoning it.

The EU and Russia have landed on the moon?

Oh wait.

 

[Solaris]

I 100% agree with you except 2 things.

1) Hubble should be sold or safely brought down, not destroyed. It's a museum of how we used tech in these days. it should somehow either remain a float, or brought down for museum. Another thought is, attach it to the ISS. They already got a telescope, but the Hubble could be an upgrade. Crazy yea, but you never know.

2) What's wrong with what I said with the economy. it's going into recession. it will pop back up in a few years as normally, but until then, we should focus our attention on economy. end the war and fix the economy, then worry about space. Planets and everything have billions of years till they are gone, our economic woes are possible nation killers. No money = no funding.

Do you have any idea how hard and dangerous that would be and utterly pointless.

 

[HunterSeeker]

The EU and Russia have landed on the moon?

Oh wait.

AFAIK the USSR did land on the moon, america just got their first. My memory might decieve me though.

And really, america should reduce military funding. Spending 100% as much on their military as the rest of the world combined or 90% wont make much difference. Really, I dont even see why you have such a huge military still (post the arms race of the cold war), Its not like you need it with all those WMDs.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Do you have any idea how hard and dangerous that would be and utterly pointless.

You are correct, huge engineering projects are not exactly an easy task in orbit...

 

[The Monkey]

AFAIK the USSR did land on the moon, america just got their first. My memory might decieve me though.

Nah, Americans are the only ones to have put a man on the moon, but the Russians send a lot of unmanned shuttles there.

 

[delusional]

AFAIK the USSR did land on the moon, america just got their first. My memory might decieve me though.

And really, america should reduce military funding. Spending 100% as much on their military as the rest of the world combined or 90% wont make much difference. Really, I dont even see why you have such a huge military still (post the arms race of the cold war), Its not like you need it with all those WMDs.

I think it might have to do with jobs. And for everybody crying that Obama will take away NASA funding, it would go to Education, even though I'd rather have it taken from military.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

TBH I agree with Pi. Its not exactly economical, but space should be commericalised. This would accelerate development in space and the nations take the funding from space into education or medicine.

 

[Eejit]

The EU and Russia have landed on the moon?

Oh wait.

Russia got every other 'Space First' up until Moon landings. Cold War Propaganda wins at overestimating it's importance