lack of gay representation in US television?

[Que-Ever]

If you take it personally then it's probably true.

 

[CptStern]

There we go, another personal comment....

what? I'm not attacking you personally ...I'm trying to rationalise your POV ..come on man not everything is an attack

 

[Tyguy]

If you take it personally then it's probably true.

cute

 

[Que-Ever]

Shut up baby, I know it.

 

[Stigmata]

Look, Tyguy, we don't care whether or not you're gay. We're simply entertaining the notion that perhaps the reason you're so vehemently negative towards homosexuality is that you're kidding yourself. It's perfectly alright if you are, nobody I know would think any less of you for it (in fact, I'd think more of you, since coming out takes a lot of courage and confidence).

If you're not, that's fine too, but there's reason to suspect that this is the case, and it would explain your behaviour.

 

[PvtRyan]

Yeah, I'm betting Tyguy is quite the Ted Haggard.

 

[Raziaar]

All of you... and myself. JUST SHUT THE **** UP already. Quit ragging on each other. You're all turning this into a playground verbal fight.

 

[Que-Ever]

You smell.

EDIT: oh wait, that's what we're avoiding.

 

[Stigmata]

Alright, alright. Issue at hand.

Those opposed to the representation of homosexuals on television, please provide evidence to back up your claims that it is harmful.

 

[Jerry_111]

*looks at my thread

D:

*runs away

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I like how certain folks are afraid of gays being a majority, when all common sense holds that as being pretty much impossible.

Gays don't reproduce, being gay is not hereditary and, unlike bisexuality, it can't be taught.

The only reason you'd have to be afraid of homosexuality is if you were gay and, in denial, clinging tenuously to a straight lifestyle.
But we shan't go there because it's a "sensitive gay area" for certain folks.

Emphasis, above, on how sexuality can't be taught. It's biological, by any scientific standard.

 

[Core407]

I like how certain folks are afraid of gays being a majority, when all common sense holds that as being pretty much impossible.

Gays don't reproduce, being gay is not hereditary and, unlike bisexuality, it can't be taught.

The only reason you'd have to be afraid of homosexuality is if you were gay and, in denial, clinging tenuously to a straight lifestyle.
But we shan't go there because it's a "sensitive gay area" for certain folks.

Emphasis, above, on how sexuality can't be taught. It's biological, by any scientific standard.

Some people just find the idea of two gay man just disgusting. I don't really care, but I object to any public displays of homosexuality or any of their parades.

The parades are just hilarious to me. They basically take all the stereotypes and run, or rather prance, with them.


Note: I'm against public displays of heterosexuality.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

So you don't care except for when you are against all public displays?
What constitutes a "public display of homosexuality"?

Holding hands?
Wearing a shirt with a rainbow on it?

"Yeah, hi, I'm Freedom of Speech and you just spat in my face."

How about this: you can ban gays from public once I'm allowed to ban idiots from the same.

 

[CptStern]

oh man that's a tough trade off ..tempting but no, idiots can be ignored (shut up stern, no they cant)

note: I am against public displays of idiocy

 

[Mechagodzilla]

No, see, if idiots aren't allowed in public, then they can't campaign for this retarded nonsense. :shh:


Idiocy can reproduce, is hereditary, and is constantly taught.
Hell, idiots are already the vast majority.

So which group is the real threat then?


Unlike core though, I'll be kind enough to let the idiots out - as long as it's for one of their parades.

 

[Beerdude26]

"and sometimes seamen inexplicably ends up in someone's mouth" and the kids are like D:

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Hey, an idea: If being gay is so repulsive to "normal" "straight" people like core & friends, shouldn't they want to educate kids as much as possible about the spooky g-g-g-gays?


You'd think they'd want to "Never Forget" the attrocity of anal sex, but instead it's like they're denying that the anal holocaust inflicted upon them by "The Gay" ever occured.

Stop denying the anal holocaust!

 

[CptStern]

No, see, if idiots aren't allowed in public, then they can't campaign for this retarded nonsense. :shh:


Idiocy can reproduce, is hereditary, and is constantly taught.
Hell, idiots are already the vast majority.

So which group is the real threat then?


Unlike core though, I'll be kind enough to let the idiots out - as long as it's for one of their parades.

can he come too?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I was totally going to use that picture.

 

[CptStern]

I love that photo. I want to meet him and thank him

love the straight parade pic, goes right into my "funny pics to piss off homophobes" folder

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The best part is either A) that they are dressed as furries or B) that over 50% of the thirty-ish people who showed up were gay.

 

[Kadayi]

Unless the 'Gay' aspect is fundamental to the plot or it drives a characters behaviour in a film/show I'm really not seeing the need tbh.

 

[Core407]

So you don't care except for when you are against all public displays?
What constitutes a "public display of homosexuality"?

Holding hands?
Wearing a shirt with a rainbow on it?

"Yeah, hi, I'm Freedom of Speech and you just spat in my face."

How about this: you can ban gays from public once I'm allowed to ban idiots from the same.

Ever seen the Gay Pride Parade? Those guys are taking gays back 50 years all by themselves. They're some fruitass mother****ers!

I'm against all forms of public displays of affection (straight or gay). Did you happen to even read the last line in my post? I don't mind arguing about this stuff, but I do mind when people ignore aspects of a post for whatever reason.

I don't have a problem with gays at all. I don't really give a shit because I'm not threatened by them. Gays sure do enjoy to use their sexual preference as a crutch though.

Edit: I also find it funny that whenever a straight man dislikes a gay man, they get accused of being homophobes.

To anyones who is gay, here are some questions the straight world wants to know.

Whats the deal with the wrist?
Do guys start talking with lisps for a reason?

 

[Core407]

Hey, an idea: If being gay is so repulsive to "normal" "straight" people like core & friends, shouldn't they want to educate kids as much as possible about the spooky g-g-g-gays?


You'd think they'd want to "Never Forget" the attrocity of anal sex, but instead it's like they're denying that the anal holocaust inflicted upon them by "The Gay" ever occured.

Stop denying the anal holocaust!

Once again, where did I say I'm repulsed by gays? I clearly stated that I don't give a flying ****, but that most people are repulsed by it.

Mechagodzilla: Are you gay by any chance?

 

[CptStern]

Once again, where did I say I'm repulsed by gays?

this doesnt sound like a term of endearment:

They're some fruitass mother****ers!

I also find it funny that whenever a straight man dislikes a gay man, they get accused of being homophobes.

homophobe: 1. a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality

I clearly stated that I don't give a flying ****, but that most people are repulsed by it.

including you

Whats the deal with the wrist?
Do guys start talking with lisps for a reason?

:upstare: how old are you?

 

[Core407]

this doesnt sound like a term of endearment:





homophobe: 1. a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality




including you



:upstare: how old are you?

So if a straight guy happens to dislike a gay man because of his personality, it must mean hes a homophobe? Theres plenty of gay people who don't have to shove their sexuality in everyones face.

I'll never hang out with a feminine homosexual for the simple fact that its indicative of their personality. Same way I won't hang out with heterosexual guys who are going at 100% full speed all the time or some guy who gets angry at the drop of a dime.

While my questions were in poor taste, they're still questions I'd like to have answered. I honestly just want to know. You could almost say I'm fascinated by it, really.

It's not a term of endearment, but it wasn't meant to be. It's a direct reference to a previous post and it's 100% true. The simple fact is that it disgusts people.

 

[CptStern]

So if a straight guy happens to dislike a gay man because of his personality, it must mean hes a homophobe?

no, he dislikes that particular person because of their personality not their sexual preference ..I thought that would be abvious considering the definition of homophobe is someone who dislikes homosexuals not personalities

Theres plenty of gay people who don't have to shove their sexuality in everyones face.

does this happen often to you? do strange gay men come up to you and shove their sexuality in their face? ..are you threatened by their homosexuality?

I'll never hang out with a feminine homosexual for the simple fact that its indicative of their personality.

that's homophobia: it's the fact that they're gay that would prevent you from "hanging out with him" ..if he was macho gay would you hang out with him?

Same way I won't hang out with heterosexual guys who are going at 100% full speed all the time or some guy who gets angry at the drop of a dime.

again those two examples are because of their annoying habits ..unless you're willing to say you'd hang out with macho gay guys my original assessment stands

While my questions were in poor taste, they're still questions I'd like to have answered. I honestly just want to know. You could almost say I'm fascinated by it, really.

or repulsed? ..why do americans all talk like they've just stepped out of a barn? why cant white guys dance? why do all italians drive camaros? ...are you seeing my point? that stereotype is just that? a stereotype ..I've met/worked with many gays and I'd say perhaps 1% fit that stereotype ..some you would never know

 

[Kadayi]

no, he dislikes that particular person because of their personality not their sexual preference ..I thought that would be abvious considering the definition of homophobe is someone who dislikes homosexuals not personalities

But the sad truth is though Cpt, that there are unfortunately a lot of gay men whose entire personality revolves around them being a 'homosexual' rather than that merely being a part of their nature. I like sticking my dick in asian chicks, but I don't let that penchant rule my life, or feel the need to go on about it at length at every drop of a hat.

 

[Core407]

no, he dislikes that particular person because of their personality not their sexual preference ..I thought that would be abvious considering the definition of homophobe is someone who dislikes homosexuals not personalities

You're the one who posted the definition of a homophobe in the previous post. I too thought it would be obvious, but I guess I was wrong.

does this happen often to you? do strange gay men come up to you and shove their sexuality in their face? ..are you threatened by their homosexuality?

Actually yes, they do. I work with a gay guy who happens to shove it in my face every day (not literally of course!). I told you, I'm not a homophobe . I honestly just don't care and you can keep calling me a homophobe all you want.

I'll tell you this though. You know how I'm not threatened by their sexuality? Because when I jerkoff, its to women and not guys. Get it? Dudes don't give me boners and that alone is enough security i need.

that's homophobia: it's the fact that they're gay that would prevent you from "hanging out with him" ..if he was macho gay would you hang out with him?

What the hell is macho gay? I'd hang out with a gay person who doesn't annoy the shit out of me. To me, someone flailing their wrists around and making a scene about some trivial thing does not sound like a good time.

again those two examples are because of their annoying habits ..unless you're willing to say you'd hang out with macho gay guys my original assessment stands



or repulsed? ..why do americans all talk like they've just stepped out of a barn? why cant white guys dance? why do all italians drive camaros? ...are you seeing my point? that stereotype is just that? a stereotype ..I've met/worked with many gays and I'd say perhaps 1% fit that stereotype ..some you would never know

Oh man its like talking to a wall here. I'm simply stating that most people find homosexuals repulsive. People are naturally afraid of foreign things and I can completely understand why a male who has no exposure to gay culture would have ignorant views on the subject. IM NOT CONDONING IT THOUGH. JUST PLEASE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF MY POST, PLEASE LET IT BE THIS.

I look forward to a response that ignores everything that I say.

 

[Beerdude26]

Stern is just annoying you because you forgot the word "some".

Gays sure do enjoy to use their sexual preference as a crutch though.

If you had put:

Some gays sure do enjoy to use their sexual preference as a crutch though.

Nothing would have happened, because there are indeed some people like that. The most important thing when talking about stuff like this is to check your posts for accidental generalizations.

 

[Nemesis6]

What would you guys say if I said that one's sexual preference isn't something television should affirm or discourage?

We had the Gay 5 on TV. I don't know if they're on anymore. They made my blood boil and was one of the reasons I stopped watching TV. If you mean people like that, then I will brain you. They piss me off. And that's where the distinction has to be made: There's a difference between being TV-gay and just being gay. The people who walk around and grope other men on screen - That's not right and they be punished in some way for annoying me.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

That's a shame your blood gets heated up watching the homosexual groping show. Whatever show it is you're talking about.

Also, real-life people grope eachother too.
That's what makes Core sad. People shouldn't touch eachother because he doesn't like it.
And yes, I did in fact read that bit you added. But straight rights aren't exactly in real danger, are they?

Also, Core, what sexuality do you think I am?

Man, it's like the victorian era and people are talking about The Negro.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Gays should represent themselves. It's not any networks responsibility.

If that bothers you, get into TV and represent your people.

 

[Jintor]

You shouldn't enforce quotas or something like that.

I agree with _Z_Ryuken. Don't just sit there and nag someone else to represent you. Represent yourself.

(Unless you're in court.)

 

[Stigmata]

The problem arises when the people that own networks, and censor networks, decide that homosexuals shouldn't be represented. Hence where quotas come in.

Quotas of representation should be enforced up until the point at which the representation is self-sustaining.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

It's their networks. They decide what to air. They decide when to air it. They decide who is mature enough to see what. They decide what is to be seen. It is their business.

If you want control, get your own channel. Make your own commercials. Don't force people to do what they don't want to do.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Hold up, I'm not saying quotas or anything. That's retarded affirmative action bullhockey.
But, at the same time, this "represent yourself or you don't matter" stuff is also crap.

The point was that the producers and studios, and everyone involved in the artistic process should finally get around making a normal gay character for once. Just to see if they can.

 

[Kadayi]

The point was that the producers and studios, and everyone involved in the artistic process should finally get around making a normal gay character for once. Just to see if they can.

You talk about Gay as if it's something that is tangible like skin colour, height or a persons sex. Where as it's purely a behavioural issue. Sure there might be a gay gene, but your not seeing it externally. All you see is the behaviour of a person, and that behaviour leading to experiences. The trap a great many people fall into is they let their past actions define their future ones.

 

[gick]

The point was that the producers and studios, and everyone involved in the artistic process should finally get around making a normal gay character for once. Just to see if they can.

All the gay people I have spoken to about this, and similar subjects are of that opinion. FFS, people need to learn that just because someone is gay doesnt mean that they let it govern their entire lives and personalities.

 

[Core407]

That's a shame your blood gets heated up watching the homosexual groping show. Whatever show it is you're talking about.

Also, real-life people grope eachother too.
That's what makes Core sad. People shouldn't touch eachother because he doesn't like it.
And yes, I did in fact read that bit you added. But straight rights aren't exactly in real danger, are they?

Also, Core, what sexuality do you think I am?

Man, it's like the victorian era and people are talking about The Negro.

I think you're one of those straight guys who is scared of being called a homophobe so you'll go to any extreme to protect homosexuals.

Sort of like some kind of caped crusader...