Law introduced that bans GUN ownership to under 18 and adds gun registry

[Sulkdodds]

Obviously he missed the main argument that's usually put forward which is that allowing guns causes more loss of liberty (via death) than is gained.

In other news: we tend to find that education is the best method for preparing children to use their genitals responsibly, so why shouldn't the same thing be true of guns if you're going to have guns at all?

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

No, this is regarding kids being able to use guns. Couldn't buy in the first place.

Oh right. Phew.


Well? CARRY ON THEN.

 

[swan_song1973]

I cant wait for our pro-gun [strike]nuts[/strike] to come of the woodwork, oh joy for members with an agenda

well it's a step in the right direction at least.

 

[ríomhaire]

I handled a gun several times before I turned 18, under the very strict supervision of my father. We were always extremely careful.

On the actual debate: Stern, you seem to be using a similar logic to the pro-abstinance crowd. I know there's a bit of a difference between sex and guns, but there are certainly parallels in what you're saying here. Not that I think that guns should be taught in school or anything, I merely think that if a parent wishes to teach his child about firearms he should allowed, as long as it is done in a safe and controlled manner. On the other hand if a father leaves a loaded shotgun on a table when his five year old is in the house he should have the child taken off him and given a forced vasectomy.

 

[nurizeko]

Obviously he missed the main argument that's usually put forward which is that allowing guns causes more loss of liberty (via death) than is gained.

In other news: we tend to find that education is the best method for preparing children to use their genitals responsibly, so why shouldn't the same thing be true of guns if you're going to have guns at all?

This is my rifle this is my gun, this is for fighting this is for fun!. :farmer:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I cant wait for our pro-gun nuts to come of the woodwork, oh joy for members with an agenda

I' am actually glad this was done.

Guns were too easy to access before, and as it is, they should be less accessible now.
I'm also of the opinion that firearms sales should be restricted to only those individual(s) who've passed a cat scan
and psychiatric evaluation.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Not that I think that guns should be taught in school or anything, I merely think that if a parent wishes to teach his child about firearms he should allowed, as long as it is done in a safe and controlled manner. On the other hand if a father leaves a loaded shotgun on a table when his five year old is in the house he should have the child taken off him and given a forced vasectomy.

^ THIS ^

Why can't you people understand this? And CptStern- I'm going to teach my kids about guns because I know they will encounter them in life when I am not around. It is 100% certain- everybody does. At least here. And they are for sure going to know how to properly handle one, and what is unsafe handling. If you don't even know what is unsafe you're likely to stick around somewhere someone ELSE is handling unsafely and you could end up getting killed. I always am nagging people about finger off the trigger unless shooting or GTFO.

Think of it this way- imagine you enter a chemistry lab and know nothing about the chemicals, they've got no labels, etc. You just see a chemist doing his work. You wouldn't know if he's about to kill you both with a terrible reaction or just going to do something neat.

If you KNOW about chemistry you know when to GTFO or fix the situation. If you don't know you could get easily killed.

Same for guns. And like I said, you are sure to encounter them in life here.

I' am actually glad this was done.

Guns were too easy to access before, and as it is, they should be less accessible now.
I'm also of the opinion that firearms sales should be restricted to only those individual(s) who've passed a cat scan
and psychiatric evaluation.

And once again, this isn't about under 18 buying guns.

It's about them being in possession/handling them. IE: NO TOUCHING ONE UNTIL 18.

 

[CptStern]

^ THIS ^

Why can't you people understand this? And CptStern- I'm going to teach my kids about guns because I know they will encounter them in life when I am not around. It is 100% certain- everybody does. At least here.

I'd rather live in a world where we're not all jumping at shadows to the point where we feel the need to arm ourselves. or worse yet, not for personal safety but rather because they're "cool".

And they are for sure going to know how to properly handle one, and what is unsafe handling. If you don't even know what is unsafe you're likely to stick around somewhere someone ELSE is handling unsafely and you could end up getting killed. I always am nagging people about finger off the trigger unless shooting or GTFO.

Think of it this way- imagine you enter a chemistry lab and know nothing about the chemicals, they've got no labels, etc. You just see a chemist doing his work. You wouldn't know if he's about to kill you both with a terrible reaction or just going to do something neat.

If you KNOW about chemistry you know when to GTFO or fix the situation. If you don't know you could get easily killed.

so you're saying we should all take chemistry safety training just in case? I can think up of dozens of scenarios where this can also be true.

Same for guns. And like I said, you are sure to encounter them in life here.

The odd thing is that you dont even see how ****ed up it is that you feel the need to train your kids because the area you live in is so saturated with guns. it's no wonder it's the second leading cause of death for people under the age of 18

And once again, this isn't about under 18 buying guns.

It's about them being in possession/handling them. IE: NO TOUCHING ONE UNTIL 18.

do you have similiar objections of any other age limitation? like driving, drinking joining the military, watching porn ..will you also introduce this to your kids at an early age becauise sooner or later they're going to encounter it? if so, why? if not why not?

 

[CptStern]

buy this for your kids Rakurai. from what you're saying it sounds like they're going to need it:

http://www.mychildspack.com/1417.html

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'd rather live in a world where we're not all jumping at shadows to the point where we feel the need to arm ourselves. or worse yet, not for personal safety but rather because they're "cool".

Well keep dreaming. The rest of us live in the real world where this is the way things are.

so you're saying we should all take chemistry safety training just in case? I can think up of dozens of scenarios where this can also be true.

If it was certainly likely to encounter chemistry labs like I described in your life then yes, you should probably have safety training.

You spend all your life here growing up and you WILL encounter firearms. And you SHOULD know what is safe and what is unsafe.

The alternative (this passing) is to see a dramatic increase in gun accidents and fatalities as every day even MORE inexperienced people encounter guns than would if this didn't pass.

People are going to deal with firearms regardless of if this passes. The only difference is now they won't legally have any idea what is safe or proper handling. GJ. It's like eliminating under 18 driving permits because more accidents are teenagers. (usually a permit means you have to have a licensed driver with you over 21 guiding you). Now when everyone gets their license at 18 no one will know how the **** to drive. Good luck being on the road for that.

The odd thing is that you dont even see how ****ed up it is that you feel the need to train your kids because the area you live in is so saturated with guns. it's no wonder it's the second leading cause of death for people under the age of 18

That's just the way we live. There are many things I'd change about the way we live but legal gun ownership certainly isn't one of them. YOU don't see how ****ed up it is to have your government forcibly disarm you. I feel more sorry for residents of nations where this is the norm.

do you have similiar objections of any other age limitation? like driving, drinking joining the military, watching porn ..will you also introduce this to your kids at an early age becauise sooner or later they're going to encounter it? if so, why? if not why not?

I don't see how watching porn should be 18 and up only. Joining the military as far as I know you can be under 18. The drinking age should be 18 or 16 rather than 21, yes.

There's no danger to porn that kids need to 'know about' besides that it's not reality and not to have expectations from it (that I will teach them)

I was learning how to drive when I was around 6 on my parents lap, steering the wheel. And when I was tall enough using the pedals, etc. My kid will learn the same so they're less likely to die or kill somebody else when they get their license.

This prohibitionist "save the children" attitude for these issues just causes MORE death and injury. People need to think a little.

 

[CptStern]

Well keep dreaming. The rest of us live in the real world where this is the way things are.

? what the hell are you talking about? this isnt the norm anywhere in the world except the US and 3rd world countries in the midst of war. Your "the way things are" is exclusive to the US.

If it was certainly likely to encounter chemistry labs like I described in your life then yes, you should probably have safety training.

well you see that's the my point right there. My son has as much chance of running into guns as he does a chemistry lab out in the wilds. therefore by your own logic gun training is unecessary. however in your little gun saturated fantasy world it might make sense to train to use a firearm. also how to place a baseball cap at just the right angle percariously perched on your head so as to fit with all the others chumps in the barrio, ese

You spend all your life here growing up and you WILL encounter firearms.

well that sucks for you. I'd much rather live in a place where this isnt normal like canada, europe, parts of africa, hell even the middle east is relatively safer

And you SHOULD know what is safe and what is unsafe

oh, I'm very familiar with safe and I bet you're an authority on unsafe

The alternative (this passing) is to see a dramatic increase in gun accidents and fatalities as every day even MORE inexperienced people encounter guns than would if this didn't pass.

this is one hell of an assumption to make. you're going to have to prove that there's been a spike in gun related accidents due to not being exposed to guns at an early age. otherwise your speculation is just alarmist nonsense unsupported with even a shred of evidence.

Oh and how are kids going to be injured by guns if this law aims to keep guns safetly stored and out of the hands of minors? if this law does pass and there's still accidents, the new law will put the blame squarely on gun owners because it was their responsibility to "keep the guns locked and stored away from children". I have no problem with this, this should be blamed

People are going to deal with firearms regardless of if this passes. The only difference is now they won't legally have any idea what is safe or proper handling.

how does this make any sense? you're saying that because of this law no one will have firearm training? what's the difference of firearm training at age 18 or age 5? a hell of a lot that's for ****ingg sure. an 18 year old is far more likely thn a five year old to a. retain more of what he is hearing b. understand what it is he's hearing and c. has the capacity to actually wield a death stick because he doesnt have the strength of a 5 year old

GJ. It's like eliminating under 18 driving permits because more accidents are teenagers.

no this is more like raising the legal driving age from 16 to 18. stats shows that it was effective in decreasing the number of deaths ...specifically kids aged 16-18. This logic is so simple even a child could draw this conclusion

That's just the way we live. There are many things I'd change about the way we live but legal gun ownership certainly isn't one of them. YOU don't see how ****ed up it is to have your government forcibly disarm you.

? you dont see this either because at no time in the history of the US have guns been taken away from you. you still have guns no? so you cant own surface to air missles or helicoptor machine guns ..quit your whining

I feel more sorry for residents of nations where this is the norm.

I feel sorry for nations where the second leading cause of death of children is firearms. this is unacceptable. I'd much rather kids die for natural causes like speeding buses and falls from jungle gyms and rare forms of brain worms

I don't see how watching porn should be 18 and up only.

so anyone should be able to watch porn? what about a 6 year old? how about 10? should a toddler be allowed to watch urination and humiliation bukkake porn? babies should get to watch 2 Girls one Cup instead of Teletubies? oh ya the christian crazies will love that

Joining the military as far as I know you can be under 18.

the age is 17 ..which is only 365 days away from 18. Funny how they need "parental consent" if they're under 18. they're children; they dont have a right to self-determination but by god the're old enough to die is some mudhole half way across the world to line the pockets of fat rich dudes

The drinking age should be 18 or 16 rather than 21, yes.

please provide a valid reason as to why it should be 16 or 18

There's no danger to porn that kids need to 'know about'

huh? are you saying little girls should be aware that sometimes what looks like chocolate is actually poo? or that showing your boobies on tv could hurt your career as future president? or that being publically humliated doesnt feel too good? or that being treated as an object by men isnt something they should strive for?

I was learning how to drive when I was around 6 on my parents lap, steering the wheel. And when I was tall enough using the pedals, etc. My kid will learn the same so they're less likely to die or kill somebody else when they get their license.

it's illegal for your kid at any age to sit on your lap as you're driving. if you get in an accident your kid gets to see what flying through your windshield at high velocity feels like. Your kid should be strapped into a car seat at all times. anything else is irresponsible

This prohibitionist "save the children" attitude for these issues just causes MORE death and injury. People need to think a little.

if you dont adopt a "save the children" attitude you're not a very good father. I will quantify this by saying that once you do become a father you're completely overwhelmed by some basic animal instinct to protect your family from real or imaginary threats. every single new father I have ever spoken to has experienced this irrational fear. Putting them in dangerous situations will affect you ..unless you yourself havent really develop a good moral foundation. which is why you see gangsters showing their two years how cool it is to run with your gang-banging homies

dont let this be you and little Paco Ernesto Guevera de la Paz Santa Cruz de la Huerta Sanchez Garc?a Ram?rez Tenjin

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...w_blood_violent_gang_life_is_passed_do-1.html