Leaked build transmitting IP's to NSX.VALVESOFTWARE.COM?????

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I've heard repeatedly on IRC this evening that the "Anon" copy of the half-life build recently leaked is storing and transmitting copies of vital system information, including IP addresses, to a server which in turn goes to a valve software owned server. If this is true, it's a very intresting development that may result in a whole lot more problems for the individuals who chose to break laws and the gaming communities trust. While I can't ask anyone to test this and post the results, due to the obvious implications, I am intrested if it's true. If anyone else has any info on this, please tack it on.

Cheers.
 
I havent heard of it, but it would be quite logical as HL2 should be an integrated part of Steam, thus send info on itself... No idea though, at least this is better discussion than beta images :)
 
Oh god not another one. This is no different from people saying the beta is full of trojens. Just more paranoia or lies to try slow down the distribution of the beta. Why leak your game just to catch a few 12yr olds?
 
well if its true its exactly what you should expect from stolen/hacked/pirated software
 
Originally posted by SiRiNO
Oh god not another one. This is no different from people saying the beta is full of trojens. Just more paranoia or lies to try slow down the distribution of the beta. Why leak your game just to catch a few 12yr olds?
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It certainly isn't unheard of for in house builds/Media demos to contain tracking information/proxies. This might be reeeeeal intresting if valve is compiling a list or something. It has been an intresting year concerning copyright/computer crimes hasn't it? I guess we'll have to stay tuned.. :)

Cheers.
 
This shouldn't be so easily dismissed. Remember: the game was ALREADY designed to do this: to log you in with Valve's servers to look for new content and get authentication and verification of resources. So it's certainly possible this is part of the compiled source, and Valve is currently scratching their heads trying to figure out if they really want to track down all these now proven warez thieves or not. They'd be perfectly within their rights to do so.

Let's be clear: by "leak" all we mean is that stuff leaked out of valve. It doesn't mean that Valve leaked it. If Gabe is to be believed, it was very much deliberately stolen by an unknown outside party: an insider wouldn't need to hack into anyone's systems to get anything.
 
i personally would find it hilarious if they were compiling a list...:cheese:
 
And you guys actually think valve would go after everyone?
 
It would be cool if they did, but I doubt it.
 
HALF LIFE 2 ISNT DELAYED!!!!
sept 30th is the release date. nuff said


anything else you want to add to the speculation wheel?
who cares.
it is does, whoopedy doo some people are arsed
if not, whooopedy doo.
if you were going to dl the beta, you would have already so whats done is done.
I got REALLLLLLLLY damn close to getting it
and I mean close as in 70% done on my torrent.....
but I cancelled it
and Im not just saying that to save face..
I honestly decided to suck it up and wait.
like I intended.
life goes on.
heres hoping things work out for you valve.
that you catch the moron who caused all this. and that we see hl2 in 2003.
if not, patience is a virtue, and good things come to those who wait.

and yes I scoped out tons of pics, but that was enough to tide me over.
 
No, they'd just run the list past google and filter out all the ones it wouldn't be profitable to sue.
 
Whoever has a copy of the game and a firewall such as zonealarm will know for sure if this is true I would suppose. If it tries to connect to the net zonealarm will popup and ask permission for this file to be able to access the net.
 
Any good firewall program would stop that in an instant.

Edit: Beaten!! :x
 
well i would think that this would not be the case. somwthing as unfinished as the said release wouldnt have this in place i would think,
if it has it has but good luck to valve trying to take evryone to court over this . thousands of people in different countries . yeah that wil work not


you got to look at the whole picture i mean have you any idea how widespread this leeked version has been. you cannot go anywhere on the net and not see it hear of where you can get it.

jeez thats a lot of people.

i just wish the game would come out then we could all stop all this silly speculation and get on with playing the game.

according to irc sources there will be another pre gold release today so if this happens there will be more talk and more speculation but still not further forward.
 
yeah like they are gonna bust people who are gonna buy their game. Im not saying its right to download the leaked beta but Im guessing who ever does download it will be the same people buyi.ng it on the first day it comes out.
 
Well I doubt the casual joe would download 1.4 gigs or whatever just to try a bug ridden demo of a game they didnt care about
 
Dont you think at least 50% of "educated pirates" (if such a thing exists :)) run firewalls ?

2ndly There was no reason for Valve to implement such a thing...

3rd IF it is true , and you DLed illegal material and didnt have firewal up , download some shareware firewal and run game and see log for yourself.
 
Originally posted by This_Dude
I've heard repeatedly on IRC this evening that the "Anon" copy of the half-life build recently leaked is storing and transmitting copies of vital system information, including IP addresses, to a server which in turn goes to a valve software owned server. If this is true, it's a very intresting development that may result in a whole lot more problems for the individuals who chose to break laws and the gaming communities trust. While I can't ask anyone to test this and post the results, due to the obvious implications, I am intrested if it's true. If anyone else has any info on this, please tack it on.

Cheers.
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YEAH, YEAH, YEAH....I HOPE THEY ALL GO DOWN FOR IT!!!!!
LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME....
 
Originally posted by Buckyfg
Well I doubt the casual joe would download 1.4 gigs or whatever just to try a bug ridden demo of a game they didnt care about
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Couldn't say it better.
 
This is foolishness. All you have to do is see if Zone Alarm asks permission... Does it? No. Do not speculate, investigate.
 
if the average joe played half life, has broadband, and is even slightly interested in the bigest game in decades
they might.
there arent many casual joes around... HL and its mods made leauges of followers.

however the assumption that "the leak is everywhere you look" is incorrect, its everywhere you are looking.
if you get my drift.
if your in the scene, of course your gonna hear about the biggest news this side of blah.

anyway, the problem with not only hl2, but this entire community is the influx of clueless (for lack of a better word) noobs.
the people who are becoming combines overnight, and the people posting their "informed" thoughts on everthing from "how fat gabe is" to "haw haw www.******orrent.fish" Im no innocent, and Im not pointing fingers... however the mods really need to draw a line in the sand, and act without mercy.. they are choosing what community they allow here.. and so far its been some pretty sad choices.

if you asked me.. this whole forum needs a "reformat"
get your moderator team together, whipe the forums, let people re-register and start out clean and strict. you will find the people who are here for HL2, and love of the game will stay, and follow the rules.
others? keep banning till they are gone.
 
Since half life 2 and steam are integrated, the code which was stolen probably automatically tries to contact steam or half life. The hacker merely compiled the version of half life (and possibly added soem specail goodies for his own pleasure).

This wasn't intended to track down illegal users, but may have provided such infomration as a bonus!




How do you feel about your theft (download) now? You know you're only supporting the hacker who delayed the game by downloading the "beta"
 
This is an Easy one to check.

This one is easy to figure out:

Would one of you greedy punks who have the game running on a broadband connection with a router simply enable logging, start the game and watch your outbound trafiic. If something send outbound then you know, you're busted!

-Giovanni
 
it isn't true. I can think of multiple examples of people running behind a firewall and a firewalled router, none of them had any warnings about outgoing ip adresses
 
Sayin the hacker caused the delay is bullshit
because he didnt, dont give him that much credit

valve werent done, its common place. they underestimated the work then needed to accomplish, and didnt make the release date.
then rather than giving us the go around again, they are pretty much saying "when its done" since they hope they can squeeze it out before april, but honestly dont bet on it.

again IT WAS NOT THE HACKER WHO DELAYED THE GAME, he does not deserve the credit, he used an exploit in f** ms outlook, hmmph.
ALL INFORMATION FROM CHILDREN IN IRC is not hard fact.
unfortunately there no real hard facts to go by, and even when valve says something we know its pretty much just PR nonsense anyway

your waiting for HL2, because you have no choice live with it. its not done
and thats that.
 
Too many conspiracy theories. Hmmm... What if VALVe is doing this to get PR? That sounds like a larger possibility then a massive Steam-Ip tracking-Watermark. Oh, please! I really don't want to go into the major signs that point to such a thing, but the fact is that's a larger possibility.
Truth is stranger than Fiction.

-Ghost.
 
And I also don't think VALVe wasn't finished. I think they were. But Steam was a large hurdle that was well out of their bounds. Let's keep in mind that it had trouble delivering Bink videos... Oh my God, a 32 Meg Video!
They boasted for weaks about being in the final stages, then as it got closer to the date tehy began to say it would be tight, but was still on. Take a look at Steam...I bet it's running better, for some of you at least.
I haven't gotten Steam yet, and won't until HL2 is released. So I really can't say, I'm basing this off of the community. Anyway. I think that's a large possibility, as many others have said before. You can add this to your IP Tracker theory if you'd like. Perhaps VALVe released the beta and just wants to sue eager thieves, how about that one?
Ahhh! There, I feel much better now that I'v said all of that.

-Ghost.
 
Originally posted by This_Dude
I've heard repeatedly on IRC this evening that the "Anon" copy of the half-life build recently leaked is storing and transmitting copies of vital system information, including IP addresses, to a server which in turn goes to a valve software owned server. If this is true, it's a very intresting development that may result in a whole lot more problems for the individuals who chose to break laws and the gaming communities trust. While I can't ask anyone to test this and post the results, due to the obvious implications, I am intrested if it's true. If anyone else has any info on this, please tack it on.

Cheers.
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i think this is made up so people get scared and no longer download it.
 
The people who already have HL2 know, so lets stop debaiting over this. To be honest, if I could bother I also would download it, just to have a sneak peak. The fact that somone downloads it doesn't mean they won't buy it, at least I am planing to buy it (or get it as an Eastern present? :p).
 
Valve isn't going to go after the guys who download the leak. Valve will go after the guys who distribute the game, and the original people behind the leak. Valve would be kicking themselves if they went after THEIR customers who download the leak. The people who download it, will buy their games. No if's and's or but's. However, if Valve goes after those people, then they will lose many customers. The smart thing would be for valve to release a demo, and concentrate on getting the game out. Whats done is done. I'm not saying they shouldn't go after the one who started all this though.

Anubis
 
Ffs

looks like all the staff dreamed this one up on these forums - maybe if we all post people will take it serious. Come on keep to facts not scare mongering

Disconnect the game from the internet when you play it or turn zone alarm on.

If HL2 wants access to the net it will have to go through Zone Alarm first and will tell you hl2 is trying to access the internet do you want to allow that.. You'll know whether its doing that or not. I hardly think they are going to waste time writing code to see who's downloaded it or not.

More like they are trying to finish the game off
 
ok me and a friend were just playing multiplayer ( he was server) with the beta, and it locked up, crashed and then he lost his ip and had to reset his modem to get it back. and then hes like **** this shit i'm deleting this beta, just in case.
 
Re: Re: Leaked build transmitting IP's to NSX.VALVESOFTWARE.COM?????

Originally posted by Tork
i think this is made up so people get scared and no longer download it.
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Got to try :)

But its still fact: This behaviour is what HL2 is designed for in conjunction with Steam. People just dismissing it as false should think twice.

I dont think think its true personally, as it would get noticed alot sooner. Also, if it was true, I doubt it would mean anything in terms of actions against those IP owners, it would mean Valve have to sue thousands of fans of which a large portion probably will buy HL2 anyway.
 
What the fudge can you do with an IP adress? absolutely nothing. Unless you find the correct ISP and pressure them to give personal info/details about their customers. Now that sounds awfully familiar: RIAA tactics. This is a Software company they don't have the power. Stop spreading false rumors.
 
Re: Re: Re: Leaked build transmitting IP's to NSX.VALVESOFTWARE.COM?????

Originally posted by dawdler
Got to try :)

But its still fact: This behaviour is what HL2 is designed for in conjunction with Steam. People just dismissing it as false should think twice.

I dont think think its true personally, as it would get noticed alot sooner. Also, if it was true, I doubt it would mean anything in terms of actions against those IP owners, it would mean Valve have to sue thousands of fans of which a large portion probably will buy HL2 anyway.
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Alot of people that are dismissing it as false are it-professionals, currently in the working, consulting and/or studying for their final thesis.

let me put it this way i havn''t seen one it professional confirm a callback in the software
 
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