Legalizing Marijuana - Another Republican Scam?

[15357]

It kinda grew into one from a somewhat disorganized debate starting from post #8.

 

[No Limit]

It kinda grew into one from a somewhat disorganized debate starting from post #8.

And I have no clue why that is. I am not saying Im a saint but why do people that do not share my opinions refuse to read anything that I post seriously? And that certainly isn't everyone around here, but for ****sake what is the problem these certain people have?

 

[Raziaar]

I didn't say you defended anyone in this thread, I said I think you are willing to and time will prove me right. Why do I think that? Because you jumped on my ass over a thread showing republican fraud. You didn't post that the people doing that are terrible, you didn't post an example of democrats doing the same thing as I asked for in the OP. You instead posted that this thread is stupid. So I will ask you again, and please answer me, will you denounce the republican party if I can show this is widespread?

I know why you won't answer, because you are afraid that if I do show this (and I will) you won't be able to weasle yourself out of admitting that the party that I think you still support is filled with a bunch of immoral criminals.

I didn't "jump your ass" on ANYTHING. Quit being so damn melodramatic.

Lets get a few things straight here, piece by piece... in typical "quote war" fashion. Only this isn't a war, I just want to get some things in your head corrected.

I didn't say you defended anyone in this thread, I said I think you are willing to and time will prove me right.

You 'think' i'm willing to? How rediculous does that sound? You obviously don't know me... I have spoken out time and time again on things that I view as terrible. Time will prove you NOTHING.

Because you jumped on my ass over a thread showing republican fraud.

Once again, I didn't 'jump your ass' over anything. I was just trying to point out that it's *a* republican fraud... Not "republican fraud". It's not representative of all other republicans.

You didn't post that the people doing that are terrible, you didn't post an example of democrats doing the same thing as I asked for in the OP.

And so what if I didn't post that its terrible? Do I have to post that? Just because I haven't labelled my views doesn't mean it's clear cut what they are. I *DID* clarify that I think its fraud, and that should be enough, but obviously it's not enough for you. Why not?

You instead posted that this thread is stupid. So I will ask you again, and please answer me, will you denounce the republican party if I can show this is widespread?

I didn't post that this thread is stupid. I posted that the whole claim that this is "what republicans do" is stupid.

And buddy... have you been living under a rock? I don't support the republican party like some sort of blind follower, so get your head out of your ass with your questions of "will you denounce the republican party if I can show this is widespread". What you need to do is just go ahead and provide the proof you keep talking about, so you stop looking like a moron trying to barter an exchange. Which is just absolutely rediculous.

I know why you won't answer, because you are afraid that if I do show this (and I will) you won't be able to weasle yourself out of admitting that the party that I think you still support is filled with a bunch of immoral criminals.

Again, why are you being so narrowminded? You obviously have no grasp of reality if you cannot see that I am able to distinguish criminals from those who are not. Reevaluate your opinion of me, because the beliefs you have now are COMPLETELY wrong, and laughable. I can't give you what you want, because I don't meet the requirements of your request. Jesus.



And continuing on with another of your posts...

No examples. What do I have to do to get you people to back up your posts with facts?

Why does he have to back that up with fact? All he is doing is calling you on your wide, sweeping generalizations of a political party full of normal, ordinary people. You're saying that republicans are scum.. He's saying that they're no more inherently scum than any democrat. Which is 100% true. It's the individual, not the party that defines a person. You're incredibly naive if you cannot see that.

Yep. Every single one of them. Its not that they are bad people, its just that they are brainwashed beyond recovery and they are doing bad things to this country. But you don't want to discuss why that is with me or prove me wrong, you just want to ride my ass because you can't show how I am wrong. And I hate to sound like I am so full of myself, but the fact of the matter is I don't understand why all of you around here are so damn quick to attack me personally but will not engange in a serious discussion with me.

Look at what you're saying... You're saying that republicans are all brainwashed. What's to stop them from saying you're brainwashed too? That's right... nothing, because their claims would be every bit as valid as yours... or invalid as the case may be. All you seem to have the ability to do, is post enveloping blanket statements about a certain group of people. You keep telling him to prove how you're wrong... well you haven't prove how you're right. There's a burden of proof, and it rests on you, the person who is saying that all republican are brainwashed scum. You can provide proof that certain individuals are scum, this I will grant you, but you cannot prove what you have been claiming all along, that republicans 'in general' are scum.

And people here are so quick to attack you personally why? Well look at yourself, all you're doing is attacking people personally with wild, outlandish claims. How can you engage in serious discussion with a bigot? That's what you are.

And yes, the definition of bigot applies to you PERFECTLY. So stop being one, and people will be less quick to call you an arrogant jackass.

Oh, I am open to your opinons, if you are willing to seriously defend those opinions or atleast understand why you have those opinions. People like you and Raziaar and ghost and others can not seem to explain to me nor anyone else why they hold those opinions. Instead you trying to defend those opinions you find it easier calling me a jackass, thank you oh smart one.

See... here you go again... "people like you, so and so, so and so." All we're doing is trying to get you to stop being a bigot. You're applying beliefs to us that we don't necessarily hold, and you cannot see that. Your eyes are shut, ears filled with wax. You're not hearing or seeing what we're saying.

I beg you... stop being a damn bigot. Be more tolerant of peoples views, and stop trying to offer information in exchange for action. Just provide the information you claim you have.

And I have no clue why that is. I am not saying Im a saint but why do people that do not share my opinions refuse to read anything that I post seriously? And that certainly isn't everyone around here, but for ****sake what is the problem these certain people have?

Just look at all the things you're saying... and there you have your answer.

 

[Tyguy]

I can see this going nowhere.....

 

[Tr0n]

ph34r mah pen0r

 

[bliink]

Supporting/attacking republican/democrat politics is doing so "by default". This is an illogical way to act.

One would hope that people evaluate the facts and information before making decisions upon things. Instead, it appears that many subscribe to certain principles simply because of who says them, or where they come from.

 

[Tr0n]

They are what you call "sheep". Doesn't matter what political spectrum they come from.

 

[No Limit]

Raziaar, this thread did turn to shit quick. You do understand why that is, right? Because instead of reading what I posted and then replying with a serious comment you posted something meant to turn this in to a flame war.

Here is my problem, remember that exchange we had months ago where I asked you what positions you supported of the republican party and you couldn't name one but said you would still vote for them? (I believe this was you, I'll look it up later) Then you got all pissed at me because I kept pushing you to give me some reasoning behind this. Now here we are months later, same shit. I post a thread about republicans doing immoral things to win elections. This sets you off for some reason. You say that this is not the republican party, just individuals doing this. You don't back that up with any facts, you don't refute the 2 seperate incidents I posted about, you don't show democrats doing the same thing, you instead post a sarcastic remark to turn this thread to shit.

And buddy... have you been living under a rock? I don't support the republican party like some sort of blind follower, so get your head out of your ass with your questions of "will you denounce the republican party if I can show this is widespread". What you need to do is just go ahead and provide the proof you keep talking about, so you stop looking like a moron trying to barter an exchange. Which is just absolutely rediculous.

Do you plan on voting this election year? If you do or if you don't who are you going to support? Election is only 2 months away, I figure you already made up your mind.

I think you are going to support a republican, am I wrong?

The fact that you don't support them blindly has nothing to do with answering a question about supporting a party that is filled with fraud. The reason I ask you this before I post the proof is because I know what you will do with that proof, even if I posted examples of every republican running for congress this year lying their asses off on a regular basis to get reelected your reply would be the same, "OMG! A couple people lying represents the entire republican party."

 

[No Limit]

Some examples that I know you will say isn't widepread :dozey:

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595

This is in Vegas

Russell worked for a company called Voters Outreach of America, along with 300 other people. He says he got into a beef with the company over a pay dispute, and witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats

Nevada Democrats came out swinging Wednesday. "Most disturbing is that Voter Outreach of America is being paid by the National Republican Party and we ask how can people have faith in government if a national party is involved in trickery in depriving people the right to vote," said Clark County Commissioner Yvonne Atkinson Gates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml

Ohio:

Officials in Oregon have launched a criminal investigation after receiving numerous complaints that a Republican-affiliated group was destroying registration forms filed by Democratic voters statewide, Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury told CBSNews.com

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_10.php

South Dakota

As we told you a few days ago, six Republican party staffers and campaign workers in South Dakota resigned over a burgeoning voter fraud scandal. Chief among them was Larry Russell, head of the South Dakota GOP's get-out-the-vote operation, the Republican Victory Program.

To date, no criminal charges have been filed. But the state Attorney General says the investigation is "continuing."

Today comes news, however, that Russell -- still under investigation in South Dakota -- has been reassigned to run President Bush's get-out-the-vote operation in Ohio. Russell will now "lead the ground operations" for Bush in Ohio, according to an internal Republican party memo obtained by the Sioux Falls Argus Leader.

And Russell's bringing along with him to Ohio three of the five other GOP staffers who had to resign in South Dakota and are similarly under investigation in that state.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Man_indicted_in_election_day_phone_0707.html

New Hampshire

The fourth man indicted in a New Hampshire phone-jamming scheme -- in which Republican operatives jammed the phone lines of Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts in a 2002 Senate race -- will argue at trial that the Bush Administration and the national Republican Party gave their approval to the plan, according to a motion filed by his attorney Thursday.
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His lawyer's motion signals that Hansen intends to argue that he was entrapped because the Administration allegedly told his superiors the calls were legal. The filing indicates, however, that Hansen does not have firsthand knowledge of Administration intervention.

Phone calls lead to White House

Phone records show hundreds of phone calls from the New Hampshire Republican Party and convicted phone jammer James Tobin to the White House Office of Political Affairs during the time the scheme was being planned and carried out.

And finally lets not forget that the republican party paid to defend this guy to thank him for the fraud he comitted:

The Republican National Committee, which shelled out millions to defend Tobin, has said it is "preposterous" to suggest the calls involved phone jamming.

I can do this for each state. But yeah, these are just isolated incidents and both parties do it :dozey:. Before you say that I want to see examples of democrats braking laws to win elections. I'll give you some time.

 

[No Limit]

They are what you call "sheep". Doesn't matter what political spectrum they come from.

I can agree with that. But there are extremes. Democrats lie and do dirty campaigning and take money from scum bags to get elected. Believe me, if the alternative wasn't destroying this country and bringing the world down with you I wouldn't vote for these people. The problem is that while some on the left lie I would still rather vote for them than vote for corrupt politicians that don't care who they destroy as long as it means achieving their goal, a goal that is not sane and not reasonable.

 

[No Limit]

Here is anb example of democrats doing something similar (something I condamn):
http://www.courttv.com/press/2006/kerryedwards_011006.html

Five Kerry-Edwards campaign staffers, including the sons of two prominent Milwaukee Democrats, are charged with the 2004 election day tire slashings of 25 vehicles rented by Republicans. The GOP rented more than 100 vehicles that were parked in a lot adjacent to a campaign office. They planned to drive poll watchers to polling places by 7 a.m. and deliver any voters who didn't have a ride.

But here is the difference:

BY ADVOCATE STAFF

First, there was the concession that the five men who slashed the tires of vans rented by the Wisconsin G.O.P. on Election Day were not, in fact, acting on behalf of the Kerry-Edwards campaign.

Nor were they -- we eventually learned, contrary to G.O.P. speculation -- sponsored, condoned, sanctioned, encouraged, or in any way abetted by the campaign, which knew absolutely nothing of the tire-slashing until the men, reluctantly, revealed to them what they had done. The Kerry-Edwards campaign immediately relayed this information to the Milwaukee Police Department.

Next came the disclosure that the rented vans were not, in fact, designated primarily for the use of Republican voters, but for Republican poll-watchers, instead -- many of whom were charged with "caging" minority voters at polling places around the city. .

Next came a bizarre omission: the inability of the Chair of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, Rick Riley, to identify even a single Republican voter who was disenfranchised by the tire-slashing. He offered up, instead -- somewhat lamely, as he must have known -- that some poll-watchers had reached their polls "two hours late" because of the vandalism.

The democratic party actually called the police on these guys after they found out what happened.