Letting Go Of God

"Letting go of your desire to seperate people from the things they love"
 
An excerpt from Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go Of God"

I dunno from my point of view, a rational take on many of the biblical stories. Some serious realisations.
Plus coming to terms with deeper issues of not believing.

Its well presented. Audio only.
 
MjM said:
An excerpt from Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go Of God"

I dunno from my point of view, a rational take on many of the biblical stories. Some serious realisations.
Plus coming to terms with deeper issues of not believing.

Its well presented. Audio only.
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If it's audio only why is it in .mov format?
 
Because it is? I dunno.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/

The page its from. No viruses if thats what you were eluding to. Anyway i'm off to bed.

I hope some listen to it and post some comments. Night.
 
Yeah, but he was like pissed all the time, and kicked ass, no matter what you did. Atleast accoring to her.
 
The Jesus we know has four different personalitys, one for each gospel writer. Each had his own community, and twisted and turned The story of Jesus, first told in Mark, to what suited his needs, like Matthew's was to try and convert Pharisees like himself to bealive in Jesus as more than just a prophet.
 
What a great audio file, it pretty much sums up my feelings on religion. :)
 
MjM said:
Yea i thought it was good.
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Whats it about? I didn't watch it. I figured it was just another typical liberal media piece trying to dissuade people from their faith. Judging purely from the title.

And I ask again, why the hell do people try to seperate others from the things they love? People love their faith. Its not a crutch to them, its a way of life, it brings them happiness. There are poor people around the world who have religion and not much else in their life, and they are content. They live a life of peace and happiness.

Whats so hard for you to get? Sure, the people who use religion for evil, are awful... but majority do not. And yet you want to strip them from their faith. Its just sickening.
 
this statement:

Raziaar said:
Whats it about? I didn't watch it.
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Raziaar said:
I figured it was just another typical liberal media piece trying to dissuade people from their faith. Judging purely from the title.
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faith also causes many of today's ills: the right to same sex marriage, right to choose, the shitstorm in iraq, sudan, chechnya, congo etc etc etc etc ...not to mention all the death and destruction in the name of religion since the dawn of man ...it's about time it's pushed to the fringes of society and seen for what it truely is ...morality based stories that make for a good read if nothing else that should be taken with a huge grain of salt
 
I kinda agree with Raziaar but I also don't. Basically, yes, I don't mind if people have religion, and in fact I'm often quite jelouse when I see the people around me being quite content with their religion, taking comfort in it when really bad things happen to them. But the main issue with this particular, erm, speech(?) is that she, like me when I was a child, believed in the catholic faith because she was told to. She was brought up with it and never questioned it. Its not about forcing people to give up their faith but people should be allowed to hear both sides of an argument. I don't want to strip people of their faith, but I would like a small enough doubt to creep into their heads, just enough for them to question whether or not bombing some people "in the name of God" is a good idea, or whether or not passing laws that make non believers (like homosexuals) second class citizens.

In short, religion is fine by me, as long as you don't try and force it on others.
 
CptStern said:
faith also causes many of today's ills: the right to same sex marriage, right to choose, the shitstorm in iraq, sudan, chechnya, congo etc etc etc etc ...not to mention all the death and destruction in the name of religion since the dawn of man ...it's about time it's pushed to the fringes of society and seen for what it truely is ...morality based stories that make for a good read if nothing else that should be taken with a huge grain of salt
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no, it's not faith's falt, it's the people who take advantage of religion and use it to do wrong

and everybody says Juses this Crist that, God or not God he did nothing but good, how people blame so much on some one is terrible
 
no, it's the actual religion that calls gays "sinners" or "immoral" ...not just the individual
 
CptStern said:
no, it's the actual religion that calls gays "sinners" or "immoral" ...not just the individual
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oh, not the gay issue again, just forget about them, and they'll go away
 
CptStern said:
no they wont
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i mean, wouldn't be so "popular" in todays culture, i'm sorry, i just don't agree with gays, and i do find it sick, maybe i'm not cool anymore, but that's the way i think and feel
 
CptStern said:
no, it's the actual religion that calls gays "sinners" or "immoral" ...not just the individual
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You know... nearly the entire population of the world is religious. Just about all of them find Homosexuality a sin. So why don't you take a step back from focusing on Christianity all the time, and start focusing on 'all' of religion. Its come down to the point with you, that when you say 'religion', you mean catholocism and christianity. Because thats all you're always attacking.
 
Raziaar said:
You know... nearly the entire population of the world is religious. Just about all of them find Homosexuality a sin. So why don't you take a step back from focusing on Christianity all the time, and start focusing on 'all' of religion. Its come down to the point with you, that when you say 'religion', you mean catholocism and christianity. Because thats all you're always attacking.
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you're putting words in my mouth ...where do I mention christianity? Last I checked christians dont have a monopoly on sins
 
CptStern said:
you're putting words in my mouth ...where do I mention christianity? Last I checked christians dont have a monopoly on sins
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I'm not talking about your words in this thread. I'm talking about your words in all the other threads. You know... the threads where you attack christianity and no other religion.
 
Raziaar said:
I'm not talking about your words in this thread. I'm talking about your words in all the other threads. You know... the threads where you attack christianity and no other religion.
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so when I'm discussing christianity making such a big deal about same sex marriage I should also mention Rastafarianism or Taoism? Oh btw did you know I was once Catholic?
 
CptStern said:
so when I'm discussing christianity making such a big deal about same sex marriage I should also mention Rastafarianism or Taoism? Oh btw did you know I was once Catholic?
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u know what he is saying, christianity or any regular person will find relationships with the same sex not normal, for all we know it could be a phycological illness
 
it's not ...it's perfectly normal ...oh and not all christians think it's immoral ...the United Church of Canada performs gay weddings (yay! UCoC)
 
CptStern said:
it's not ...it's perfectly normal ...)
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that's were me and you are different, when i first found out what a gay is, i was so shocked, what about you?
 
iyfyoufhl said:
that's were me and you are different, when i first found out what a gay is, i was so shocked, what about you?
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of course I was shocked ...but I was 11 at the time, and I quickly got over it. What they do in the privacy of their own homes is none of your business
 
Love is love. It shouldn't matter to anyone else if the love they share is between a male/male or female/female. Quite frankly, its none of their business. Love doesn't need religion.
 
Hmmm, this guy tells a story, in which he plays the tape of a girl telling a story, of mormon's telling a story, of a guy writing a story on golden tablets. Wow.
 
Homosexuality is a shocking thing for most people to accept at first, because the West and many other countries have legal/ethical systems established around religions. These religions have their codes of conduct, so to speak. Christianity, the religion i am most familiar with, vehemently opposed the notion of homosexuality being acceptable. Hence in New Zealand there existed laws, up till a couple of decades or so post WW2, banning such practices.

Society has changed, it is more open and accepting than it ever has been. from my experience, Christianity (the pervasive religion in the west) has to realise that western society has grown, on the whole its no longer the same society that had to be spoon fed ideas, we have evolved intellectually. Christianity has to come to terms with this, and nurture it.

Taking the gay issue as an example, how on earth is the fact that a same sex couple, both of whom are consenting, be a bad thing and a threat to society?

Imo its alright to be irked by homosexuals, i mean in NZ there is a safe sex campaign for teenagers atm, in one version of an ad that runs on TV, two guys kiss, now that wierd's me out. I still don't think that that is grounds to ban the homosexuality.

In the end you are just exerting control over who people can and can't love. Which is unnecessary, and might i add Raziaar, wasn't the point of this thread.
 
Male homosexuals freak the hell out of me. They eye me like i'm some sort of steak. If they weren't gay, I would think they were cannibals. So it freaks me out.

Female homosexuals, i'm comlpetely fine with. I have lots of lesbian friends.
 
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faith also causes many of today's ills: the right to same sex marriage, right to choose, the shitstorm in iraq, sudan, chechnya, congo etc etc etc etc ...not to mention all the death and destruction in the name of religion since the dawn of man ...it's about time it's pushed to the fringes of society and seen for what it truely is ...morality based stories that make for a good read if nothing else that should be taken with a huge grain of salt
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Religion is here to stay. Get over it.
*flees thread under a torrent of napalm*
 
blatant/flaming homosexuals bother me..not because they are gay, but because of how they present themselves..that is the type that will grab a straight mans ass and when the straight gets upset and possibly hits the gay the gay gets offended and sues for the straight guy decking the gay..

but if a straight man did that to a straight woman she would be well within her rights to deck him and/or sue for sexual harassment..

isn't that fair..

and Raziaar don't you think you are being just a tiny bit hypocritical?

how do the straight girls feel about those female homos eyeing them like steak?

but the straight chicks have lots of gay males as friends...so they are completely fine with gay men.. it just goes round and round...
 
T.H.C.138 said:
blatant/flaming homosexuals bother me..not because they are gay, but because of how they present themselves..that is the type that will grab a straight mans ass and when the straight gets upset and possibly hits the gay the gay gets offended and sues for the straight guy decking the gay..

but if a straight man did that to a straight woman she would be well within her rights to deck him and/or sue for sexual harassment..

isn't that fair..

and Raziaar don't you think you are being just a tiny bit hypocritical?

how do the straight girls feel about those female homos eyeing them like steak?

but the straight chicks have lots of gay males as friends...so they are completely fine with gay men.. it just goes round and round...
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Where am I being hypocritical? I just feel uncomfortable around male gays, and not females. That so bad?
 
its not bad..I would rather see 2 women kiss or whatever than 2 men..but I don't have an issue with men being gay..

it seemed to me that you were saying female homosexuality is ok but male homosexuality isn't..

I may have misunderstood what you had posted, if thats the case I'm sorry about that..
 
Remember, porn lesbians are very different from real lesbians.
 
T.H.C.138 said:
its not bad..I would rather see 2 women kiss or whatever than 2 men..but I don't have an issue with men being gay..

it seemed to me that you were saying female homosexuality is ok but male homosexuality isn't..

I may have misunderstood what you had posted, if thats the case I'm sorry about that..
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Not saying male homosexuality is wrong, but it creeps me out. Guys are *NOT* good looking. Two guys making out or having sex is DISGUSTING to me. Mainly because I don't find other guys attractive, simple enough. It has nothing to do with me thinking homosexuality is wrong, it has to do with me thinking other guys are unattractive.

Except me though, all guys find me attractive for some reason. :E
 
Raziaar said:
Not saying male homosexuality is wrong, but it creeps me out. Guys are *NOT* good looking. Two guys making out or having sex is DISGUSTING to me. Mainly because I don't find other guys attractive, simple enough. It has nothing to do with me thinking homosexuality is wrong, it has to do with me thinking other guys are unattractive.

Except me though, all guys find me attractive for some reason. :E
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I agree, I compare it to watching two very ugly, obese people kissing, :x
 
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