*light blue touch paper*

Will the plane take off?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 49.1%

  • No

    Votes: 54 50.9%
  • Total voters
    106
  • Poll closed .
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Pi Mu Rho said:
I'd like to know what Prince of Space thinks propels aeroplanes through the air.
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And why he thinks that just because the wheels need to spin twice as fast, they won't spin at all because of "friction" :laugh:
 
Pi Mu Rho said:
I'd like to know what Prince of Space thinks propels aeroplanes through the air.
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Obviously when the wheels on the plane spin really fast it keeps it on top of the air durr! Like when you drive really fast and can skip across water!
 
Nah I'm pretty sure he knows how planes fly, he's just having trouble understanding why the plane moves.

Still waiting Prince.
 
Pi Mu Rho said:
I'd like to know what Prince of Space thinks propels aeroplanes through the air.
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can't be bothered explaining this...look through the thread then come back when you've got something worthwile to say.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
can't be bothered explaining this...look through the thread then come back when you've got something worthwile to say.
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Still waiting bro. Please don't be stubborn. You'll look worse than if try to deny it instead of just admitting it now. I mean it's not like people are going to think any different of you.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
can't be bothered explaining this...look through the thread then come back when you've got something worthwile to say.
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In other words, you just got owned.
 
You ignored mine and Glirk's posts entirely. It's obvious you can't answer.
 
MiccyNarc said:
In other words, you just got owned.
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no in other words I couldn't be bothered explaining this because I've already explained it before. and correctly.
 
Prince, really are you just going to ignore us? You could atleast confirm that you heard us.

Basically, if you can not point out the flaw in Glirks post, the plane will positively fly.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
no in other words I couldn't be bothered explaining this because I've already explained it before. and correctly.
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Refute what I said earlier...I gave data and all.

You still haven't given any proof as to why it wouldn't. This is a clear cut case of yet it would fly, the question is meant to trick people into initially thinking no thinking a plane would be like a car when taking off, however that isn't the case and people soon realize their mistake and answer yes. Everyone else but you has done this, we present data and fact as to why it works the way it does and you still refute and claim that planes fly because their wheels spin really really fast.
 
I'm gonna go at this ONE last time.

Okay, you have a toy car, and you push it steadily along the ground, never taking your hand off. It moves because your hand is pushing it.

Put the same car on a moving conveyor belt, and push it steadily along the opposite direction of the conveyor belt, never taking your hand off the car. Will the car still move forward? Yes. What's the only difference? The car's wheels spin faster.
 
Steve said:
I'm gonna go at this ONE last time.

Okay, you have a toy car, and you push it steadily along the ground, never taking your hand off. It moves because your hand is pushing it.

Put the same car on a moving conveyor belt, and push it steadily along the opposite direction of the conveyor belt, never taking your hand off the car. Will the car still move forward? Yes. What's the only difference? The car's wheels spin faster.
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That's a perfect analogy.

But here's what I know Prince is going to say already, because it's the only thing he can think of and he's said it in the past:

"A plane weighs much more than a toy car, so more friction!"

And I'm not even kidding. :|
 
I never said that the wheels are causing the planes to fly so shut the **** up with that argument.

I'm going to bed it's late...in the meanwhile you guys can dig up an equation that explains that the friction truly is neglible...that's all I'm asking.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
I never said that the wheels are causing the planes to fly so shut the **** up with that argument.

I'm going to bed it's late...in the meanwhile you guys can dig up an equation that explains that the friction truly is neglible...that's all I'm asking.
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It isn't negligable...it is just so small that it doesn't affect the outcome of the answer hence it is negligable.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
I never said that the wheels are causing the planes to fly so shut the **** up with that argument.

I'm going to bed it's late...in the meanwhile you guys can dig up an equation that explains that the friction truly is neglible...that's all I'm asking.
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I say we fly a plane into you. Steve=always right.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
I never said that the wheels are causing the planes to fly so shut the **** up with that argument.

I'm going to bed it's late...
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Yeah, alright buddy. Would take you less than a minute to point out a flaw in a small paragraph of text, but I guess you don't feel like it eh?
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
in the meanwhile you guys can dig up an equation that explains that the friction truly is neglible...that's all I'm asking.
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DO YOU KNOW WHAT A ****ING WHEEL IS!?

Jesus H!

Why in the hell would the wheels suddenly cease to function!? They work just fine in a normal takeoff! The only difference in our situation is that they are spinning twice as fast! That is THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. Period. You can't argue that. So therefor, you are completely and utterly wrong, and need to just... I don't care, you can either admit it in the thread or just stop bringing up your numerously beaten arguments all over again.

And not only that, but you are still ignoring the fact that everyone else on the internet (read: Google) is disagreeing with you. Now if you think you are special for some reason, You have another thing coming because some of the sources are from people who specialise in physics and are far older and smarter than any of us.
 
PriNcE oF SpAcE said:
I never said that the wheels are causing the planes to fly so shut the **** up with that argument.

I'm going to bed it's late...in the meanwhile you guys can dig up an equation that explains that the friction truly is neglible...that's all I'm asking.
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What the hell does tire friction have to do with anything, plane is propelled forwards by jet/propellors/w/e, air gets under wings, and the pressure created forces the plane upwards when it has gained enough speed

All the tires are there for is so that the plane can land properly, moveable on the ground, and be kept upright instead of on its side, making it impossible to take off and land
 
Translation of Prince's latest posts:

I cannot form a rebuttle, yet I am too stubborn and arrogant to admit that I am wrong.

Seriously, dude, at this point you have pretty much the entire forum, a Physics major with a physics-related job, and a quote from a Physics based website saying that you're completely wrong.

Sure the question is worded stupidly, but there are certain assumptions people make when they read riddles which are usually similar enough to make a definitive conclusion. We came to that conclution by assuming that the "sensors" can exist, and that the wheels are indestructable.

You have yet to state anything that proves us all wrong, as well, so saying "I've already stated why" really doesn't mean jack shit.
 
Glirk Dient said:
It isn't negligable...it is just so small that it doesn't affect the outcome of the answer hence it is negligable.
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give me the equation that proves it won't effect the outcome then...that's all I'm asking. rememebr to factor in the opposite moving force and how much friction is added from that.

it'll also be nice if you can show and equation that shows that the force used to conquer this friction and move the plain forward, isn't excessive and by it self would be enough to give the plain lift.
 
God I can't help but feel like an asshole when we all gang up on him :( But I guess he deserves it for being so stubborn. No, I'm not calling him stupid, because he obviously secretly knows we are right, and simply made a mistake early on, but now he is too far in to the argument to admit he is wrong, because of stubbornness.

I know it's hard, but you just gotta do it or you will look worse. :)

Prince, where the hell are you getting friction from? All the moving runway does is make the wheels SPIN faster. The wheels don't rub against the ground. They aren't spinning at a controlled speed. They move as fast as they ****ing want, so the plane is GOING forward, because of the jets or propellers.

Stop ****ing asking for equations to make youself sound like you are going to analyse them or something.
 
Why don't you show us an equation that makes your bizarre theory make sense, then Prince? Why do we have to find an equation when our argument is that the wheels will just spin faster, and the plane will take off only a tiny bit later than usual due to the tiny amount of extra friction on the wheels and the axel?

I was wondering... if the plane was on some kind of friction-less surface, would it take off? Prince?
 
He sounds like he's in a first year physics class just starting to learn about friction and the like tbh :laugh:

"the friction, the gravity, onoes!! :eek:" :E
 
Making fun of him is just gonna make him more stubborn.

And on top of that, I don't know anyone who would admit defeat after all this... ;)
 
I for one, love Prince of Space and hope to have he's children.

We'll make some friction. ooooooh yeah.
 
You know what...this thread is gonna get locked.

Maybe I'll try to explain one last time...I know the rest of you are probably getting tired of re-explaining it :laugh:

Oooookaaaaaaaay...step 1 :sleep:

Step 1. You got a plane on a conveyer belt
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LOL nevermind It's just not worth it aahahhahsahhss21e222 *cries*
 
Wouldn't after so much speed, the air resistence would pick up the jet off of the conveyor belt, allowing the jet to take off?
 
Qonfused said:
Wouldn't after so much speed, the air resistence would pick up the jet off of the conveyor belt, allowing the jet to take off?
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Yeah both parties agree on that, but the thing PoS doesn't want to understand is that the plane is moving. He thinks it doesn't move.
 
theSomeone and Prince of Space should get married, because they both create wonderful SHIT threads.
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
theSomeone and Prince of Space should get married, because they both create wonderful SHIT threads.
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lol except Prince of Space didn't make the thread.

But I like how you made that connection.
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
theSomeone and Prince of Space should get married, because they both create wonderful SHIT threads.
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I agree.
 
vegeta897 said:
lol except Prince of Space didn't make the thread.

But I like how you made that connection.
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Hell I'm suprised he didn't, I'm to lazy to go to page one after all this funnyness has been going on for the past 4-5 pages.
 
The wheels are lubricated so the friction of wheels to whatever is holding them is very close to 0. The only friction that could be factored in would be the friction of the brakes. In the case of this question we know the brakes are off or else the plane can't move and both conveyor belt and plane would sit there doing nothing.

The friction from gravity is pretty much nullified because of the wheels and how easily they move, not to mention planes don't weigh very much anyways so the downward pull of gravity is overcome by the air resistance and pressure under the wings when the plane reaches a certain speed. So really, here is what is going on.

Over here we have On this side we have
airplane Wheels
air Conveyor belt

Hopefully seperating them like that will help you realize the airplane taking off is independant of the force of the conveyor belt.
 
If he ever does post again, it will be requesting a formula explaining what I don't know, I have no idea how a formula is supposed to explain how a wheel works.

Flash movie? Yeah I was going to make one today but I did some RL stuff today.
 
I think perhaps PoS (no pun intended) should study the question, maybe he doesn't realise that all the conveyor does is move at an equal speed to the aircraft, in the opposite direction. The conveyor doesn't 'counter' the aircraft speed.

Theres a subtle and important difference.
 
Although both the plane and the conveyor apply the same speed to the wheel, friction in the wheel's axle would lessen the effect of the conveyor, causing the plane to slide backwards.

The conveyor, following its job and pushing at the same speed as the plane is moving, would exponentially increase the backwards motion, pushing the plane right off the back of the belt.

(I'm guessing. :P)
 
I think I've got the explaination which should satisfy everyone. If anyone else has already mentioned it, this should reinforce that.

The engines produce a thrust (Force) and hence and acceleration. The only significant thing that stops these engines from accelerating the aircraft is the drag force, from air resistance, that occurs usually once an aircraft is already airbourne. This only matches the thrust once the aircraft reaches some terminal directionwards velocity.
Therefore the aircraft will continue to accelerated by the engines until it reaches lets say 200 mph airspeed. The wheels will be freerolling at 400 mph, but the aircraft will still take off.

The thrust will constantly accelerate the aircraft until the air resistance can match it.
 
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