Man shot on London Underground

There is a police news conference at 13:30 London time

Hopefully it was one of yesterdays idiots that they've tagged
 
SAJ said:
Of course , if it turns out that there were no explosives , then tomorrows headline should read "Police murder asian man on Stockwell tube".

But I think that we all know that isnt going to happen , explosives or not.
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Very perceptive. Whether the guy was a suicide bomber or not, it is now in the interests of the police to make him out as as big a threat as possible. It will be hard to ever know for sure if he was a bomber.
 
It will be hard to ever know for sure if he was a bomber.
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Well , the presence of explosives would be a big giveaway.


edit: sorry that was unhelpful , but I just couldnt resist.
I do see your point , but Im more worried about a racially prompted "shoot to kill" policy.
I mean, the police in London got into loads of trouble pursuing and then defending racial-profiled "stop and search" in Brixton (just down the road from Stockwell) add guns to that mix and it looks pretty ugly.
 
Laivasse said:
Very perceptive. Whether the guy was a suicide bomber or not, it is now in the interests of the police to make him out as as big a threat as possible. It will be hard to ever know for sure if he was a bomber.
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That will probably happen indeed. Apparently the eyewitness didn't see a bomb or anything sticking out of the jacket, but the news is now focusing on a 'rucksack' ... Strange that the eyewitness did not notice that eeh?
 
SAJ said:
Laivasse said:
It will be hard to ever know for sure if he was a bomber.
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Well , the presence of explosives would be a big giveaway.


edit: sorry that was unhelpful , but I just couldnt resist.
I do see your point , but Im more worried about a racially prompted "shoot to kill" policy.
I mean, the police in London got into loads of trouble pursuing and then defending racial-profiled "stop and search" in Brixton (just down the road from Stockwell) add guns to that mix and looks pretty ugly.
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That was my point, too, but with the added barb of press manipulation thrown in.

Having said that, there is a need to shoot people in the head if they are suspected of being a suicide bomber. The only trouble is that the metropolitan police are largely comprised of, frankly, scumbags, and I can only be grateful that most of them don't carry guns. I have slightly more faith in SO19, but that thing the other year where they were pushing for more lenience in mistaken shootings worries me.

Anyway, if this guy was indeed one of the guys responsible for yesterday's bombs then I rejoice in his gruesome death (with due sympathy for the people traumatised by seeing it...). We should hang his corpse from London Bridge or whatever it is we used to do.

It does seem like the event wasn't all that pretty: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1704468,00.html

"And then the station manager said to me, look at these four and there were four tourists and they had blood spattered on their shirts."
 
Zerimski said:
The rucksack was a different incident.
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Now I'm confused, this story says otherwise:
Reuters said:
Londoners flee as police shoot bomb suspect dead
By Katherine Baldwin
LONDON, July 22 (Reuters) - He vaulted over barriers chased
by armed police, stumbled onto a train and then the man with a
backpack over his winter coat was shot time and again, sending
panic-stricken commuters in all directions.
Passengers at south London's Stockwell underground train
station said at least four shots rang out on Friday after they
were ushered up escalators to the street by police, who shot the
man dead -- a suspected suicide bomber in attacks on Thursday.
"I've never seen anything like it in my life. I saw them
kill a man basically. I saw them shoot a man five times,"
witness Mark Whitby told BBC television.
"The other passengers were distraught. It was just mayhem,
people were just getting off the Tube ... People running in all
directions, looks of horror on their faces, screaming, a lot of
screaming from women, absolute mayhem.
"It was a very, very distressing sight to watch, and to hear
as well."
Police said the man was a suspect in the attacks at Thursday
lunchtime that caused chaos but killed no one in an apparently
failed bid to repeat suicide bombings which killed 52 two weeks
earlier.
Witness Teri Godly told Sky Television she saw eight to nine
undercover police officers with walkie talkies and handguns get
on the train shouting at passengers to get out of the station.
Witnesses gave sketchy detail of the man who some said was
of south Asian appearance. Some said he looked wary as soon as
he stumbled onto the train, some said he was thin, others that
he was chubby.
He raised suspicion wearing a winter coat in the heat of
summer. Most said he wore a backpack -- reminding many of images
of the four suicide bombers behind the July 7 attacks.
"I was about to go in when I saw a lot of people coming out.
They looked shocked. There was a bit of panic. The guy I spoke
to said, 'I've just seen someone shot'," said Andrew Wajnowski,
18, a part-time kitchen boy.
"I saw three people shoot at an Asian guy who was wearing a
rucksack."
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The smoking rucksack was apparently on a train (possibly overground) earlier this morning, and the BBC reported a man exiting the train and running off along the tracks.

Edit: Also, that Reuters article is written quite badly for such a reliable news source. There's plenty of unquantified, and unqualified statements and a truckload of emotive language :/
 
Well, interestingly, that Reuter's article seems to have temporarily disappeared. Could be that they're going to rewrite it and add some accuracy this time.
 
new updated article

Reuters said:
Title: WRAPUP 9-Police hunting London bombers shoot man in station.




WRAPUP 9-Police hunting London bombers shoot man in station
(Adds fresh quotes and details)
By Katherine Baldwin
LONDON, July 22 (Reuters) - Police shot a man dead at a
London underground rail station on Friday during a hunt for
bombers who struck a fortnight after suicide attacks killed 52
rush-hour commuters.
The latest round of bombs, at Thursday lunchtime, caused
chaos but killed no one, in an apparently failed bid to repeat
the July 7 attacks.
Witnesses spoke of panic as a man of Asian appearance
wearing a heavy jacket vaulted over barriers at Stockwell
station on Friday as he was chased by eight or nine armed
officers and then shot. Some said he was carrying a rucksack.
"I've never seen anything like it in my life. I saw them
kill a man basically. I saw them shoot a man five times,"
witness Mark Whitby told BBC television.
"The other passengers were distraught. It was just mayhem,
people were just getting off the Tube ... People running in all
directions, looks of horror on their faces, screaming, a lot of
screaming from women, absolute mayhem," he added.
Media reports said the man shot was a suspected suicide
bomber -- possibly one of the four being hunted after Thursday's
attacks.
"We can confirm that just after 10 a.m. armed officers
entered Stockwell Tube station. A man was challenged by officers
and subsequently shot. London Ambulance Service attended the
scene. He was pronounced dead at the scene," police said.
Police cordoned off streets around the station and took
witnesses to a nearby veterinary surgery for questioning.
Ben Anderson told of shouting and confusion before the
shooting.
"People on the tube didn't know whether it was somebody with
a gun, shooting, or the police. I didn't hear them identify
themselves. I just heard the first shot, lots of screaming, and
ran," he told BBC radio.

RESPONSIBILITY CLAIM
Another man spoke of a strange smell that seemed to be
coming from a smoking bag on the train.
The Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade, an al Qaeda-linked group
which claimed responsibility for the July 7 bombings, posted a
statement on an Islamist Web site on Friday claiming it carried
out Thursday's attacks.
Saudi Arabia's ambassador to London and former spy chief
Prince Turki al Faisal said the attacks bore the classic touch
of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.
As forensics experts searched the three underground trains
and a double-decker bus hit by small, near-simultaneous
explosions on Thursday, police were called to a series of
security alerts across the south of the city.
At one stage armed police briefly surrounded a mosque in
east London after a bomb scare.
They were also examining the remains of the devices that
failed to detonate, hoping to identify the explosives and find
fingerprints or clues that might lead them to the bomb-makers.
As the manhunt intensified on Friday, commuters got back
onto buses and underground trains, vowing to continue their
normal routines despite a second wave of attacks in two weeks.
"I would still get the tube. If your number is up, your
number is up," said Elisa Blackborough, travelling to work at a
bank in the city of London financial district.
A union official warned however that hundreds of underground
train drivers might refuse to work if there were more attacks.
In New York, commuters faced random searches of backpacks
and packages as police stepped up checks.

MORE CLUES
British police have more clues from Thursday's attacks,
including the unexploded bombs, witness reports and CCTV
footage, than they had after the July 7 suicide bombs that
killed 52 commuters and the four bombers and wounded 700.
Newspapers printed a picture of a damaged rucksack which
they said held nails, nuts and bolts and had been abandoned on
the upper deck of the bus that was attacked on Thursday.
Security experts warned there could be more attacks and
police used the occasion to call for sweeping new powers,
including being allowed to hold terrorism suspects for up to
three months without charge.
The pound fell against the dollar and the euro after first
reports of the shooting, while government bonds around the world
edged higher on safe-haven buying.
Stocks markets across Europe, already unsettled by
Thursday's attack, fell on the shooting news with the
pan-European benchmark FTSEurofirst <.FTEU3> index down 0.3
percent by 1235 GMT.
Friday's newspapers focused on the "miraculous" escape by
hundreds of commuters after the devices only partially detonated
without causing any injuries.
The attacks appeared to be an attempt to copy the July 7
attacks, when four young British Muslims detonated rucksack
bombs in three packed trains and a bus at morning rush hour.
Explosives experts said it was still unclear why the devices
had failed to explode properly.
Prime Minister Tony Blair, who has rejected accusations that
the invasion of Iraq has made Britain a target for Islamic
militants, has appealed for calm.
(Additional reporting by Andrew Gray, Mark Trevelyan, Yara
Bayoumy, Sumeet Desai, Katie Allen, Kate Holton, Mike Peacock,
Jeremy Lovell, Matthew Jones, Fiona Shaikh)



REUTERS
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Yesterday a black guy lying on a smoking rucksack and walking away over the rails, and today an asian guy shot dead (apparently wearing a rucksack as well)

But the Reuters story is indeed confusing
 
I'm not too well-versed in the Dummy's Guide to Suicide Bombing, but if you have a jacket full of explosives, which is what it seems like they are trying to imply, is there any need to have a suspicious rucksack as well?...?
 
RoyaleWithCheese said:
hey remember that guy that died after having sex with a horse (his colon was broken). That seems a much better way to handle these idiots. Although you have to have a horse in arm's reach, actually :|
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That would be animal cruelty ;)
 
RoyaleWithCheese said:
today an asian guy shot dead (apparently wearing a rucksack as well)

But the Reuters story is indeed confusing
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Don't think he was wearing a rucksack, just a huge puffa jacket.
Rather out of place for hot and humid London.
 
Harrow Road residents told STAY INDOORS. It's now cordoned off. Armed police and a mobile bomb unit are on the scene apparantly - Fox News

edit: They're centering at an internet cafe on Harrow Rd. apparantly
 
Laivasse said:
I'm not too well-versed in the Dummy's Guide to Suicide Bombing, but if you have a jacket full of explosives, which is what it seems like they are trying to imply, is there any need to have a suspicious rucksack as well?...?
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Handy place to keep your lunch.
 
Harrow road **** thats geting a bit close to home .
I think I`ll go take a look.
 
well done undercover Counter-Terrorists.

(id love to be one of them) :D
 
KoreBolteR said:
well done undercover Counter-Terrorists.

(id love to be one of them) :D
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Must be an incredibly stressful job, knowing one wrong move and people will die, possibly including yourself.
 
Looks like the police have raided a house off Harrow road too...seems to be moving at quite a pace this one...the hunt is definately on!

This briefing now rescheduled for 15:30
 
kirovman said:
Must be an incredibly stressful job, knowing one wrong move and people will die, possibly including yourself.
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even still, it would be a rush. (inspired by jack bauer off 24) :o
 
If you even consider killing yourself and taking others with you, you no longer deserve basic human rights, shoot em all.
 
Well, it may be entirely unrelated , but yes, Harrow road is cordonned off for about a hundred yards.
Only stopping traffic tough, pedestrians are able to move freely.
So Im guessing the police arent to concerned about explosives.
Man , carnival is going to be tense this year.

Counter Terrorists Win!
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Thanks for that intellegent , well thought out contribution "dreadlord1337".

edit : stop the presses! Another priceless gem
Shut up, don't give me crap.
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Erudite and to the point, well done.
 
Dalamari said:
If you even consider killing yourself and taking others with you, you no longer deserve basic human rights, shoot em all.
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shooting them is too good for them tbh.

they should torture them. human rights is thrown out the window when they try and kill 100's of innocents.

u have to fight terrorists with inhuman acts.
 
The Mullinator said:
How do you know the horse wouldn't enjoy it? It could be a gay horse, you never know.
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In Amsterdam and San Francisco they use Philippe and Claude LeCheval, two famous gay stallion brothers for these kinds of jobs. The amount of suicidebomb incidents have dropped dramatically since they were introduced.
 
KoreBolteR said:
shooting them is too good for them tbh.

they should torture them. human rights is thrown out the window when they try and kill 100's of innocents.

u have to fight terrorists with inhuman acts.
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Yes, that's the best way to fight them. I'm sure that won't rile terrorist groups even more and provoke more attacks. No, that wouldn't happen at all.
 
Murray_H said:
Yes, that's the best way to fight them. I'm sure that won't rile terrorist groups even more and provoke more attacks. No, that wouldn't happen at all.
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they are going to attack and attack whatever we do.

make these men scared to carry out these attacks.

maybe if these mass-killers didnt have such a light sentance they will learn.

terrorist: no i am not gonna blow up that train, because if i get captured i will get tortured for a week or maybe a month! :O *runs, until there is no more running to be done*
 
scare tactics dont work on religious fanatics. the fact that they are willing to give their lives says alot about their determination and their indifference of pain and suffering.
 
KoreBolteR said:
they are going to attack and attack whatever we do.

make these men scared to carry out these attacks.

maybe if these mass-killers didnt have such a light sentance they will learn.

terrorist: no i am not gonna blow up that train, because if i get captured i will get tortured for a week or maybe a month! :O *runs, until there is no more running to be done*
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You're quite naive aren't you?
 
Yeah I'm sure if they are willing to lose their lives like that, they are not scared of torture.

Also I'm pretty sure if you are involved in a terrorist attack you are going to get more than a slap on the wrist.
Being shot 5 times in the chest isn't such a 'light sentence', I think it's quite fair if he was proved to be of immediate threat.
 
if police use their guns, you are most likely going to die. they dont train police to "wound", they train them to, if the need arises, to cap the living shit out of whoever is trying to kill them or another person. frankly im more inclined to believe a bunch of cops than a hoodie running away from them.
 
gh0st said:
if police use their guns, you are most likely going to die. they dont train police to "wound", they train them to, if the need arises, to cap the living shit out of whoever is trying to kill them or another person. frankly im more inclined to believe a bunch of cops than a hoodie running away from them.
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Exactly. Guns are never used as a means of disabling or wounding. They're a means of stopping with lethal force. If they just wanted to disable someone, they'd hit with clubs, mace or use electric shock.
 
frankly I don't see a real solution here. I guess we have to live with the fact that now and then terrorist acts will happen around the world. As long as the media pays massive attention to it, there will be a reason for terrorist acts.
 
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