Manual or Automatic transmission?

Do you prefer to drive with manual or automatic transmission (gears)?


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So do you prefer manual or automatic transmission when you drive a car?
Advantages of manual transmission:

* Manual transmissions typically offer better fuel economy than automatics.[1] Increased fuel economy with a properly operated manual transmission vehicle versus an equivalent automatic transmission vehicle can range from 5% to about 15% depending on driving conditions and style of driving -- extra urban or urban (highway or city). There are several reasons for this:
- Mechanical efficiency. The manual transmission couples the engine to the transmission with a rigid clutch instead of a torque converter that introduces significant power losses. The automatic transmission also suffers parasitic losses by driving the high pressure hydraulic pumps required for its operation.
- Driver control. Certain fuel-saving modes of operation simply do not occur in an automatic transmission vehicle, but are accessible to the manual transmission driver. For example, the manual-transmission vehicle can be accelerated gently, yet with a fully open throttle (accelerator pedal to the floor), by means of shifting early to a higher gear, keeping the engine RPM in a low power band. By contrast, in an automatic transmission, the throttle position serves as the indicator of how fast the driver wishes to accelerate. If the accelerator pedal is floored, the transmission will shift to a lower gear, resulting in high engine RPM and aggressive acceleration. The thermodynamically efficient combination of open throttle and low RPMs is unavailable to the automatic transmission driver. Fuel-efficient acceleration is important to achieving fuel economy in stop-and-go city driving.[2]
- Fuel cut-off. The torque converter of the automatic transmission is designed for transmitting power from the engine to the wheels. Its ability to transmit power in the reverse direction is limited. During deceleration, if the torque converter's rotation drops beneath its stall speed, the momentum of the car can no longer turn the engine, requiring the engine to be idled. By contrast, a manual transmission, with the clutch engaged, can use the car's momentum to keep the engine turning, in principle, all the way down to zero RPM. This means that there are better opportunities, in a manual car, for the electronic control unit (ECU) to impose deceleration fuel cut-off (DFCO), a fuel-saving mode whereby the fuel injectors are turned off if the throttle is closed (foot off the accelerator pedal) and the engine is being driven by the momentum of the vehicle. Automatics further reduce opportunities for DFCO by shifting to a higher gear when the accelerator pedal is released, causing the RPM to drop.[citation needed]
- Geartrain efficiency. Automatics may require power to be transmitted through multiple planetary gearsets before attaining the desired gear ratio. In comparison, manual transmissions usually transmit power through one or two gearsets at most.[citation needed]
* Manual transmissions are still more efficient than belt-driven continuously-variable transmissions.[3][4]
* Manual transmissions are generally significantly lighter than torque-converter automatics.[1]
* Vehicles with manual transmissions are typically cheaper than those with automatic transmissions.
* Manual transmissions generally require less maintenance than automatic transmissions.[citation needed]
* Manual transmissions normally do not require active cooling, because not much power is dissipated as heat through the transmission.[4]
- The heat issue can be important in certain situations, like climbing long hills in hot weather, particularly if pulling a load. Unless the automatic's torque converter is locked up (which typically only happens in an overdrive gear that would not be engaged when going up a hill) the transmission can overheat.[5] A manual transmission's clutch only generates heat when it slips, which does not happen unless the driver is riding the clutch pedal.
* A driver has more direct control over the state of the transmission with a manual than an automatic. This control is important to an experienced, knowledgeable driver who knows the correct procedure for executing a driving maneuver, and wants the machine to realise his or her intentions exactly and instantly. Manual transmissions are particularly advantageous for performance driving or driving on steep and winding roads. Note that this advantage applies equally to manual-automatic transmissions, such as tiptronic.
- An example: the driver, anticipating a turn, can downshift to the appropriate gear while the steering is still straight, and stay in gear through the turn. This is the correct, safe way to execute a turn. An unanticipated change of gear during a sharp turn can cause skidding if the road is slippery.
- Another example: when starting, the driver can control how much torque goes to the tires, which is useful for starting on slippery surfaces such as ice, snow or mud. This can be done with clutch finesse, or possibly by starting in second gear instead of first. The driver of an automatic can only put the car into drive, and play with the throttle. The torque converter can easily dump too much torque into the wheels, because when it slips, it acts as an extra low gear, passing through the engine power, reducing the rotations while multiplying torque. An automatic equipped with ESC, however, does not have this disadvantage.[citation needed] Some cars, such as the Saab NG900 Automatic transmission, have a special mode for low traction situations.
- Yet another example: passing. When the driver is attempting to pass a slower moving vehicle by making use of a lane with opposite traffic, he or she can select a lower gear for more power at exactly the right moment when conditions are right to begin the maneuver. Automatics have a delayed reaction time, because the driver can only indicate his intent by pressing the throttle. The skilled manual transmission driver has an advantage of superior finesse and confidence in such situations.
* Driving a manual requires more involvement from the driver, thereby discouraging some dangerous practices. The manual selection of gears requires the driver to monitor the road and traffic situation, anticipate events and plan a few steps ahead. If the driver's mind wanders from the driving task, the machine will soon end up in an incorrect gear, which will be obvious from excessive or insufficient engine RPM. Related points:
- It's much more difficult for the driver to fidget in a manual transmission car, for instance by eating, drinking beverages, or talking on a cellular phone without a headset. During gear shifts, two hands are required. One stays on the wheel, and the other operates the gear lever. The hand on the wheel is absolutely required during turns, and tight turns are accompanied by gear changes. If the hand leaves the wheel, the steering will begin to straighten. In general, the more demanding the driving situation, the more difficult it is for the manual driver to do anything but operate the vehicle. The driver of an automatic transmission can engage in distracting activities in any situation, such as sharp turns through intersections or stop-and-go traffic.
- The driver of a manual transmission car can develop an accurate intuition for how fast the car is traveling, from the sound of the motor and the gear selection. It's easier to observe the lower speed limits?like 30 km/h and 50 km/h or their U.S. and Imperial counterparts, 20 mph and 30 mph?without glancing at the instrumentation.
* Cars with manual transmissions can often be started when the battery is dead by pushing the car into motion or allowing it to roll downhill, and then engaging the clutch in third or second gear. This is commonly known as a "push start", "popping the clutch" (in the USA) or Bump starting, which in the UK describes the action of suddenly releasing the clutch pedal after putting it in gear.
* Manual transmissions work regardless of the orientation angle of the car with respect to gravity. Automatic transmissions have a fluid reservoir (pan) at the bottom; if the car is tilted too much, the fluid pump can be starved, causing a failure in the hydraulics. This could matter in some extreme off roading circumstances.[citation needed]
* It is sometimes possible to move a vehicle with a manual transmission just by putting it in gear and cranking the starter. This is useful in an emergency situation where the vehicle will not start, but must be immediately moved (from an intersection or railroad crossing, for example). It is also easier to put a car with a manual transmission into neutral, even when the transmission has suffered damage from an accident or malfunction. Many modern vehicles will not allow the starter to be run without the clutch fully depressed, negating this advantage, but some manufacturers have begun to add a clutch start override switch so that this advantage may still be enjoyed when necessary.

Disadvantages


Many of the disadvantages of a manual transmission involve the driver interaction with the vehicle. While most of these can be overcome with practice and experience, they should be considered:
* Manual transmissions often require the driver to place their full and continuous attention on the road, which may be seen as a disadvantage. Some consider this an advantage, as it prevents the driver from other potential distractions like cell phone or radio use.
* Inexperienced drivers may place more of their attention on shifting the gears, potentially distracting them from the road surroundings.
* A driver may inadvertently shift into the wrong gear with a manual transmission, potentially causing damage to the engine and transmission, or the vehicle's body and its surroundings if the intended gear was reverse. However this can be offset with a lockout on the reverse such as found on many European cars.
* Manual transmissions require a learning curve as one must develop a feel for properly engaging the clutch.
* While it can easily be overcome with experience, manual transmission vehicles require good gas pedal application and clutch control when starting the car from a standstill. Too many RPM's causes the car to redline, whereas not enough RPM's upon clutch release causes the engine to stall, due to the lack of momentum required to sustain the engine.
* The smooth and quick shifts of an automatic transmission are not guaranteed when operating a manual transmission; such changes are dependent on the driver.
* Manual transmission places more work on the driver in heavy traffic situations since the driver is constantly clutching, in comparison with automatic transmission which merely require moving the foot from the gas pedal to the brake pedal and vice versa. Manual-transmission automobiles can also be slower to take off from traffic lights and roundabouts because of the subsequent gear changes required during the process of driving away from these.
* For a person with physical impairment, an automatic transmission might be the only available shifting option. The comparable systems for hand-operated clutch and brakes for a manual-transmission-equipped car are usable only by people with just lower body handicap. Retrofit of such a system also requires extensive modifications to the car.
* Vehicles with manual transmissions are more difficult to start from rest when stopped upward on a hill because the clutch must be depressed and the gas applied very quickly once the brake is removed to prevent slipping backward. However, this can be overcome with experience and/or the use of the handbrake.
* The clutch disc is a wear item and must be replaced periodically. While this is typically a labor intensive process that can be an expensive service, it shouldn't prove more expensive than periodic service to an automatic transmission in the long run[citation needed].

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I've only driven with automatic gears one time, and I hope it was the last. It felt as though you had no control at all over the car. It also accelerates slower. It took away all the fun out of driving, and I don't understand how people would ever want to drive with automatic gears.
 
I drive manual. I like it because it makes me feel like I have more control over the situation, which is the most important thing to me when driving. I cant control all of the crazy bitches and soccer moms on the road, but I sure as hell better have a grip on the death trap Im riding in personally.

The mileage is nice too.
 
I've only driven with automatic gears one time, and I hope it was the last. It felt as though you had no control at all over the car. It also accelerates slower. It took away all the fun out of driving, and I don't understand how people would ever want to drive with automatic gears.

Not always true. The DSG system in the VW's accelerates faster to 60 and in the 1/4 mile over the 6 speed. Automatics will always shift faster than a standard stick, the problem lies with the torque converter. If you find an automatic system that uses a clutch (or the DSG case, two clutches) then it's possible it will be a faster car.

Both my cars are 5 speeds and I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not some manual purist, I'd drive them if they were automatics, it's just I like to actually drive my car rather than just point it in a direction and tell it to go.


* While it can easily be overcome with experience, manual transmission vehicles require good gas pedal application and clutch control when starting the car from a standstill. Too many RPM's causes the car to redline, whereas not enough RPM's upon clutch release causes the engine to stall, due to the lack of momentum required to sustain the engine.

I can't even describe this one, "Too many RPM's causes the car to redline." You mean, "too much throttle causes the car to redline." And even then redline is not "too many rpm's" it's the exact maximum amount of rpms.

And the car doesn't stall "due to the lack of momentum required to sustain the engine." The car stalls due to the lack of power being delivered by the engine.


* Vehicles with manual transmissions are more difficult to start from rest when stopped upward on a hill because the clutch must be depressed and the gas applied very quickly once the brake is removed to prevent slipping backward. However, this can be overcome with experience and/or the use of the handbrake.

Not to get technical but the vehicle doesn't slip backwards, the vehicle rolls backwards. And the handbrake is for losers and is a crutch and should not be used for anything other than parking or correcting understeer.
 
There's advantages to both, standard you have more control and fun with your car, and some people say that they get a closer bond with it too. And others say that shifting all the time is annoying and you don't have the chance to just try to relax while your driving.

With the automatic, you can just focus on the road (or that drink that you got from Mickey-D's) and it's also good for those dates :naughty: but i find that more people I know have accidents in automatics than standards because they're not focused on the road.

So I just chose the third choice.
 
Automatic.

Cannot be assed to deal with manual.
 
Manual is always a good choice. Especially for newer drivers or people who want the extra control/mileage. I would say with gas prices on the rise definately go with a manual unless your in a lot of traffic ever day because manual become a real hassle in traffic with all the stop and go.
 
Depends where your driving...If you sit in traffic alot, you might want to go with an auto...
 

It drives me absolutely wild when people call it 'standard.' Do you call coke/sprite/mtn dew 'pop' as well? When you order a 'pie' do you get it with pepperoni?

Standard would mean that a manual transmission was in more cars than an automatic, which isn't true. For instance from my window I can see 10 cars (counting one of my own) and 9 of them are automatics. Yes I realize there's 50 billion cars on the road, but next time you're at the grocery store parking lot take a look at the cars.

Standard doesn't even describe the gearbox or anything about it. How the hell did this word start identifying it?
 
I don't drive, but I can't imagine riding an automatic motorcycle. How the hell would you get any kind of slow speed control whatsoever when no throttle is 0mph and full throttle is 160? Need gears, and clutch...
Plus, it guzzles enough fuel as it is...
 
Not always true. The DSG system in the VW's accelerates faster to 60 and in the 1/4 mile over the 6 speed. Automatics will always shift faster than a standard stick, the problem lies with the torque converter. If you find an automatic system that uses a clutch (or the DSG case, two clutches) then it's possible it will be a faster car.

Both my cars are 5 speeds and I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm not some manual purist, I'd drive them if they were automatics, it's just I like to actually drive my car rather than just point it in a direction and tell it to go.

I can't even describe this one, "Too many RPM's causes the car to redline." You mean, "too much throttle causes the car to redline." And even then redline is not "too many rpm's" it's the exact maximum amount of rpms.

And the car doesn't stall "due to the lack of momentum required to sustain the engine." The car stalls due to the lack of power being delivered by the engine.

Not to get technical but the vehicle doesn't slip backwards, the vehicle rolls backwards. And the handbrake is for losers and is a crutch and should not be used for anything other than parking or correcting understeer.
Hey, I didn't write that text, I just ttok it from wiki. So there's no need to point out grammatical errors and such.

It drives me absolutely wild when people call it 'standard.' Do you call coke/sprite/mtn dew 'pop' as well? When you order a 'pie' do you get it with pepperoni?

Standard would mean that a manual transmission was in more cars than an automatic, which isn't true. For instance from my window I can see 10 cars (counting one of my own) and 9 of them are automatics. Yes I realize there's 50 billion cars on the road, but next time you're at the grocery store parking lot take a look at the cars.

Standard doesn't even describe the gearbox or anything about it. How the hell did this word start identifying it?
Manual is standard as automatic transmission is an add-on.

It's also the most common in most countries outside the US.
 
Manual It's what i learned to drive in and it makes me feel in control. The only problem is it gets very annoying when your in slow moving traffic.
 
Manual by far...automatic is so boring and feels like you are driving a go kart...
 
I can eat a sandwich with two hands and drive a stick-shift. You put your knees on the wheel and when you need to change gears you hit the clutch and tell your passenger what gear to put it into.

PS, the only people who choose automatic are those who don't know how to drive manual. Nobody would learn manual and then say that automatic is better. Automatic was designed so that women could drive too.
 
Automatic because I like to eat in my car. A simple gear ratio swap and it will be as fast as any manual.
My car in particular has very tall gearing, so while it accelerates more slowly than a shorter geared vehicle of comparable power, it cruises much more comfortably.

One thing I have learned in my +10 years of driving is that comfort beats anything, any day. A manual is nice for when you want to burn some rubber, but it really is a hassle to drive. I have just as much "control" of my auto as an MT. I can make it go up and down as I wish.

But can you eat ice cream while driving a manual? Hell. No.
End of story.
 
I drive a manual, it's the only way a car should be.

Automatics are inefficient, unreliable and expensive to repair.
If you 'can't' learn how to use a manual you shouldn't be allowed on the road.

They should only be used by people who are disabled, with one leg.
 
I drive a manual, it's the only way a car should be.

Automatics are inefficient, unreliable and expensive to repair.
If you 'can't' learn how to use a manual you shouldn't be allowed on the road.

They should only be used by people who are disabled, with one leg.

A manual would be more expensive to repair if you blew the transmission, which is more likely with that type of car. And as Z said, you can't eat an ice cream.
 
A manual would be more expensive to repair if you blew the transmission, which is more likely with that type of car. And as Z said, you can't eat an ice cream.
Eating ice cream in the car steals attention from the driving, so that's actually an argument for manual transmission.
 
Alright fine, as I said earlier you can't hold that drink you bought from Mickey-D's in your hand and have the straw constantly in your mouth while your driving in a manual.
 
Automatic cars, from my experience (which adds up to a 20 minute drive round a field and about 10 years with parents driving) are much more .. how can I put this .. comfortable? You dont really notice the gear change, and as a passenger that's better. Also, I'm simple minded. I like the idea of being able to drive using either 'stop' or 'go'. Life should be simple!
 
A manual would be more expensive to repair if you blew the transmission, which is more likely with that type of car. And as Z said, you can't eat an ice cream.

You'd have to be retarded (or an old woman) to blow a manual transmission.
That is of course if you're driving a car normally and not racing, in which autos are never used anyway.

My car has done 139,000 miles on the same gearbox and clutch!

You can eat icecream in a manual on the open road, you can't when you're in the city or something but no one should be eating an icecream when you're driving about anyway.
 
Hey, I didn't write that text, I just ttok it from wiki. So there's no need to point out grammatical errors and such.


Manual is standard as automatic transmission is an add-on.

It's also the most common in most countries outside the US.

I know you didn't write it, but I'm still correcting it.

Also it may be true that manuals are more common in europe or some place, but Kamikazie is from florida.

And automatics are only optional for 'cheap' cars; like the rabbit is a manual until you pay them $1,000 for the auto. So the manual would be standard equipment, but it's still not 'a standard'.
 
Insanely irritating to feel the car go up to the next gear just as you're ready to slow to a stop :\

I've never driven a manual car, but I have driven automatic cars, and I can say that it gets really irritating to just have the car pop you into the next gear when it feels ready.

Shit ton of stop and go driving around here, so it happens all the time. I'll be driving around, comming to a stop light, ready to start hounding my breaks, when... JOLT, car shifts up to third...

If manual on a car is anything like manual on a bike, then manual ftw!

But then again, i'd imagine it'd be equally irritating to have to shift down to neutral every five blocks :p

And i've found that sitting on a 5 inch wide dirt rut on a 70 degree slope, my bike slips backwards less from a standstill than an automatic car sitting on a 20 degree paved slope. Automatic transmission seems to take longer to get off the clutch for some reason. Might just be the car though :\
 
Manual. Simply because I am afraid that if I drive an automatic, and for some reason I have to use a manual I will have forgotten how to use it. I had so much trouble with changing gears.

But if the whole world used automatic, I would much rather have that. Never having to deal with the clutch would be great, just the gas and brake.

It's so ****ing annoying at a stop when you begin accelerating and some gangsta decides to wait for the red light to begin walking so he can annoy drivers more, starts to walk and I have to suddenly brake and my ****ing engine stalls.
That said I notice how people who walk trough red lights, begin to walk slower if they see you approach, just to show you how though they ****ing are.
 
Well, I'm an 18 year old male, so your theory is faulty.

Don't get me wrong, manuals are badass and I wouldn't mind driving one, but I have nothing against automatics (I like being able to easily eat while I drive, forgive me).
 
Manual. Simply because I am afraid that if I drive an automatic, and for some reason I have to use a manual I will have forgotten how to use it. I had so much trouble with changing gears.

But if the whole world used automatic, I would much rather have that. Never having to deal with the clutch would be great, just the gas and brake.

It's so ****ing annoying at a stop when you begin accelerating and some gangsta decides to wait for the red light to begin walking so he can annoy drivers more, starts to walk and I have to suddenly brake and my ****ing engine stalls.
That said I notice how people who walk trough red lights, begin to walk slower if they see you approach, just to show you how though they ****ing are.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has noticed this.
 
Well, I'm an 18 year old male, so your theory is faulty.
Skirts are also for women, but it doesn't mean men can't wear them if they want to.

Manuals are usually given to people that keep failing their driving test with manual gearboxes.
 
you guys suck at driving if you can't stop without stalling.
 
Manual. Simply because I am afraid that if I drive an automatic, and for some reason I have to use a manual I will have forgotten how to use it. I had so much trouble with changing gears.

But if the whole world used automatic, I would much rather have that. Never having to deal with the clutch would be great, just the gas and brake.

It's so ****ing annoying at a stop when you begin accelerating and some gangsta decides to wait for the red light to begin walking so he can annoy drivers more, starts to walk and I have to suddenly brake and my ****ing engine stalls.
That said I notice how people who walk trough red lights, begin to walk slower if they see you approach, just to show you how though they ****ing are.

I've noticed that slamming on the clutch when I come to a stop of any sort has become second nature for me...
 
Manual ftw. Nothing like switching down a gear and go flying away.
 
Too lazy/no time to learn manual. Maybe one day when I have an empty parking lot and nothing to do.

Automatic.
 
I can eat a sandwich with two hands and drive a stick-shift. You put your knees on the wheel and when you need to change gears you hit the clutch and tell your passenger what gear to put it into.

PS, the only people who choose automatic are those who don't know how to drive manual. Nobody would learn manual and then say that automatic is better. Automatic was designed so that women could drive too.

that is both funny and wrong, but more funny


personally, id rather drive a manual, but i have a full time job and have no choice but to sit in traffic, so its hard to justify getting one.....but im still figuring that out if i want to
 
Manual is superior in every way, the argument for automatic over manual is futile
 
I've never driven auto, but I can imagine how irritating it would be. I like being able to be in command of which gear I am operating in, especially when you need that extra acceleration.

One question: Why is the US largely auto, while over here we prefer manual?
 
We need free hands for eating BURGERS and killing BROWN PEOPLE
 
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