Manufacturing the war on terror

well ...yes :) ...especially since it took you exactly one minute to get on it
 
:x An hour long :eek:


Well i watched about 15 mins of it, quite interesing really.
 
Yeah, I can't finish it tonight. Can't bookmark it either. BB will get me. ;)
Pretty interesting. I'll finish it later.
 
Kebean PFC said:
:x An hour long :eek:


Well i watched about 15 mins of it, quite interesing really.
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there's 3 parts ...each an hour long ...well worth it
 
Watching part 3 right now. The part of about the bunkers in Tora Bora. The so-called fortresses. Rumsfeld is flapping his gums. Pretty funny. :)
 
Bullcrap.

Terrorists crash plane into building! WE BL0W UP THEIR COUNTRY!!!11
 
/me points at ghost
you didnt watch the film! out! out!! get out!!
 
Already seen the first one so I can comment...these films are very eye opening to say the least.Once I watched them my whole opinion about the so called "war on terror" changed...and I'm very strong minded! (stubborn assed in the non-polite way) ;)
 
If I make a movie stating that Cheetos are the rulers of Earth, should we all start bowing down to them?
 
GhostFox said:
If I make a movie stating that Cheetos are the rulers of Earth, should we all start bowing down to them?
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Hell yea!

Cheetos freakin own.
 
Tr0n said:
Already seen the first one so I can comment...these films are very eye opening to say the least.Once I watched them my whole opinion about the so called "war on terror" changed...and I'm very strong minded! (stubborn assed in the non-polite way) ;)
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I think you saw part 3 ..it's linked in my first post ..all 3 parts have the same 5 minute intro so it gets confusing as to which is which


GhostFox said:
If I make a movie stating that Cheetos are the rulers of Earth, should we all start bowing down to them?
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thanks for your oh so insightful comments on such a thought provoking subject ...so did you watch the film?
 
CptStern said:
Al Qaeda does NOT exist ...watch how and why


please refrain from posting unless you've watched the film ...it will be very apparent by your response whether you've watched it or not as the explanation is very specific



oh thanks tron for posting this in the past ..found parts 1 and 2, thought it was worth re-posting

here's a link to all 3 parts

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm
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Im off to school soon what is this Movie about are you saying they never exsisted?? or what?
 
CptStern said:
* CptStern points at ghost

you didnt watch the film! out! out!! get out!!
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You know Stern, you dont really seem like such a bad guy for an old fart. You might even be interesting to talk to in real life.
 
thanks for your oh so insightful comments on such a thought provoking subject
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You didn't answer my question. Should everyone believe something based of inane conjecture and baseless supposition simply because someone decides to make a film out of it?
 
To answer your question: No. But perhaps your question would have more value if you explained what exactly was wrong with the film. For instance, what in this film do you consider to be inane conjecture and baseless supposition?

I've not watched it yet since I'm in school and I don't have the time or privacy.
 
For instance, what in this film do you consider to be inane conjecture and baseless supposition?
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Pretty much every conclusion drawn in it.
 
Out of curiosity, if at the start of the year there was a program that stated the Intelligence comunity relied the evidence of a "drunken liar" to make a case for war, would you be saying the same thing? I only ask because, I saw the programs when they originally aired on the BBC here in the UK. I heard a lot of interesting things that were stated as facts. If these facts were not true, then how could they have been broadcast, considering they were easily verifiable (or not as the case may be)? I'm only asking because Tony Blair has as much to lose from those programs as Bush, so surely if the BBC was lying they would have been purged shortly afterwards; like they were with the whole "sexed up" document furor.
 
This program went out on BBC2... not BBC1 and definatly not to a huge audience. I wonder why?
The program raises some really intelligent ideas, its very possible that a government would create a state of threat and fear, to give themselves purpose. Bush's whole election was based on stopping this 'terrorism'... over here Blair is going through shit about the Iraq war and its possible he'll lose the election because he lied.
They've been caught out once with the fictional WMD bullshit, i can't see why they wouldn't have lied about everything else, i mean, those in power want to keep their power.
 
Fairly interesting but for a far more detailed and in my view realistic account read the book 'Inside Al Qaeda' by Rohan Gunaratna

The idea the Bin Laden had no form of organization seems highly unlikely considering the vast funds at his disposal. Though it is true that 'al qaeda' is a coherent, tight organization is not true
 
ive seen it before, its all fake.

there are a group out there. there is a big terrorist organisation, its just america gave them the name, thats the bottom line.
 
What are you talking about, Kore? What exactly is fake? Can somebody, please, for the love of God, just say what's wrong with the video isntead of dismissing it with an inane blanket statement? :flame:

The usa got most of its information about Al Qaeda from a generally unreliable source. There is a terrorist organization (ironic, since it's really not that organized), but it is nowhere near as big and cohesive as the USA paints it to be.

Think about it. These same people told you that Al Qaeda had dozens of "sleeper cells" hidden throughout the country. How many have we uncovered so far? None. Osama bin Laden, the supposed leader, isn't even really a leader. He funds their operations and functions mostly as a figurehead.
 
there's concrete evidence provided in the video ...in part 2 in the last 10 minutes or so it explains how and why the US labeled osama bin laden and friends "al qaeda". It's not a conspriracy but a legitatmate justification on the US' part ...here's a hint ..it was done so that it would make them easier to prosecute in an american court
 
Can anyone post the download links, my Firefox browser doesn't seem to like it and keeps restarting the videos after 5 minutes.
 
GhostFox said:
Pretty much every conclusion drawn in it.
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oh you must mean the part where they link Disney with Osama or how about the part where they link fox"news" with Hitler? or maybe where they prove once and for all liberals are secretly communists?





....watch the film

...hey part 3 is on tonight on your favourite purveyor of liberalism: cbc newsworld
 
huh? it's not a torrent, it's streamed video ...just click and wait a minute it should load....


edit: oh ok I think you need real player to watch the first link
 
CptStern said:
there's concrete evidence provided in the video ...in part 2 in the last 10 minutes or so it explains how and why the US labeled osama bin laden and friends "al qaeda". It's not a conspriracy but a legitatmate justification on the US' part ...here's a hint ..it was done so that it would make them easier to prosecute in an american court
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Same thing was done to my people.
 
I agree ...hollywood doesnt help that image either
 
gh0st said:
Bullcrap.

Terrorists crash plane into building! WE BL0W UP THEIR COUNTRY!!!11
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you are right. the terrorists were almost all from Saudi Arabia, but since we are buddies (and bush is a bitch, as we know from his military record) we attack a DIFFERENT country. and do a shitty job (afghanistan, bin laden is runnin free) then attack another even more ridiculous target.
 
So George W Bush is no different than Osama Bin Laden, in the essence that Osama Bin Laden is unifying the Muslim people in a fight against good and evil, and Bush is unifying the American people in a fight against good and evil? Thus creating stability in America as American's will feel afraid and feel the need to fight back against an evil empire such as Osama's and vice versa?

This is pretty much what i have thought all along, with the Soviet Union gone, the American government had to come up with a new enemy, an enemy so powerful that they were invisible to all known radars, etc, capable of planting weapons of mass destruction in American cities with no warning at all. In one way, i think it's a good idea as it does offer stability in the Western world, that stability does come with a heavy price tag though, paid for by the lives of the soldiers and the civilians lost to keep the Western and Eastern civilisations stable.
 
kudos I'm glad you watched it ...now watch episode 2 :) ...it documents the rise of both groups ..specifically how the neo-cons attempt at reawakening morality failed but 9/11 paved the road for their rise (some very interesting segments on how their was an active campaign to ruin Clinton in any way possible ..the person in charge of the group was asked if any of it was lies ...he said "oh sure, but it was working so well that it didnt matter if it was the truth or not)...also how Osama's "new revolution" (extreme violence to mobalise muslims but backfired when all muslims were horrified with their level of brutality) was an utter failure
 
I will watch the other 2 tomorrow, but the whole "great" thing about the war on terror is, in essence, it is unwinnable, which means there will always be a constant fear from terrorists. The odd thing though and something that really makes the documentary a lot more believable is that for the past 30 - 40 years, Britain has been under constant attack from a terrorist group (IRA) but with no need for any over the top laws that impose on our freedoms due to the fact that the focus was always on the Soviet Union and the cold war, with the Soviet Union gone and Osama Bin Laden reering his little head, suddenly everyone needs id cards and the police need special powers to get rid of them.

edit: One thing i do predict will happen and just a small correction to my post when i said "the war on terror is unwinnable", i still hold to that fact, but i do honestly see the war on terror being forgotten about when a new super power, most possibly China, starts reering their heads and becoming a possible "enemy to the free world".
 
that's the scary thing of it all ...not what they're doing in the name of security but rather what they can do. 9/11 scared the common sense out of people ...it's mccarthyism on a grand scale ..the "red scare" is now "fear of the unknown" which is far easier to sell to the public
 
Fascinating history lesson
Didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know but it helps reinforce it plus its amazing the way it documents the rise to power of wolfowitz and rumsfeld
terrifying the way they see lying as perfectly legit in getting anything done
dunno if neocons understand what freedom is at all
 
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