Manufacturing the war on terror

[Razor]

Fascinating history lesson
Didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know but it helps reinforce it plus its amazing the way it documents the rise to power of wolfowitz and rumsfeld
terrifying the way they see lying as perfectly legit in getting anything done
dunno if neocons understand what freedom is at all

It isn't about freedom, it's about control. Controlling the American people and not allowing them to think for themselves, as if they think for themselves, they become selfish and greedy and materialistic which would lead to the downfall of the American people.

 

[Tr0n]

It isn't about freedom, it's about control. Controlling the American people and not allowing them to think for themselves, as if they think for themselves, they become selfish and greedy and materialistic which would lead to the downfall of the American people.

Well...I think for myself and I ain't greedy. :|

 

[$kelet0r]

oh i hear u
whats interesting is the yin yang effect of radical islam and neo con politics having more similarities than differences - a theme that is repeated throughout history
eg nazism vs stalinism

 

[Razor]

Well...I think for myself and I ain't greedy. :|

From the documentary, that is what you're made to believe.

 

[The Monkey]

eg nazism vs stalinism

The difference between those is that stalinism for a lot of followers in Russia, especially young ones, while nazism got almost no support at all in Germany.

 

[$kelet0r]

bullshit nazism is still a powerful force in german politics and the far right has political representation
stalinism has sympathisers but no power in modern Russia

 

[jondy]

while nazism got almost no support at all in Germany.

One of the reasons why Nazism was so palatable was its use of scapegoats and it's continuing quest for morality; a dual appeal to both the reactionary and revolutionary segments of the population. Nazism was in fact extremely popular until the disillusionment of 39'-45'; while the Bolshevik revolution from the start was based secrecy and pinpoint timing, and in fact wasn't a popular revolution at all.

 

[PickledGecko]

I keep trying to click on the torrent file to download it but it's having none of it :angry:

That links to a torrent site that is no more. (lets just say its not so supr now! wink wink.)

You can get it from the site that lets you hunt for iso's. nudge nudge.

Edit: Is there anywhere I can upload the .torrent file, since it would be against the rules to link to a nasty "warez" site.

 

[SAJ]

Im pleased you finally got around to watching Power of Nightmares , Stern.
Even more chuffed that you thought enough of it/them to bring it up here, way to go man.

Bit slow though, must be your age, huh.

You have to hand it to Curtis though, the only journalist/writer that Ive seen using "manichean" in a coherent sentance.

 

[bliink]

Edit: Is there anywhere I can upload the .torrent file, since it would be against the rules to link to a nasty "warez" site.

If its small enough, you can just attach it to a post. Make sure its public domain material first!

 

[eatbugs]

The difference between those is that stalinism for a lot of followers in Russia, especially young ones, while nazism got almost no support at all in Germany.

are you listening to yourself? that's stupid There was the Hitler youth and SS, Sa I could go on...

 

[GhostFox]

while nazism got almost no support at all in Germany

So it was non-Germans who voted the Nazi party into power then?

stalinism has sympathisers but no power in modern Russia

A recent poll showed that over a quarter of russians would vote for Stalin if he were alive today. The "no power" part of your statement could quickly vanish.

 

[Absinthe]

So it was non-Germans who voted the Nazi party into power then?

To be fair, the Nazis employed many scare tactics and even stationed armed Brown Shirts at voting centres. A precedng election found that, without those things, the Nazis weren't that popular. You're less likely to vote for someboy else when you risk getting killed.

 

[JellyWorld]

urgh the video quality is terrible, I just read the transcript lol.

 

[baxter]

To be fair, the Nazis employed many scare tactics and even stationed armed Brown Shirts at voting centres. A precedng election found that, without those things, the Nazis weren't that popular. You're less likely to vote for someboy else when you risk getting killed.

Strictly speaking this isn't totally correct. Hitler came to power in 1932 with over 33% of the German vote (more than any other party). His appeal was across the board, although as you point out there was scare tactics, the majority of his appeal came on the back an economic depression, and promising Germany a more prosperous future and economic recovery

 

[Absinthe]

Strictly speaking this isn't totally correct. Hitler came to power in 1932 with over 33% of the German vote (more than any other party). His appeal was across the board, although as you point out there was scare tactics, the majority of his appeal came on the back an economic depression, and promising Germany a more prosperous future and economic recovery

I never denied such a thing. Yes, Hitler did play on the economic depression and the Treaty of Versailles. Yes, he did have a lot of support. However, it is questionable as to wether or not the Nazis would have gained control without subtle coercion and threats of force. There were multiple elections, and the ones in which the Nazis did not employ the methods I detailed in my last post showed Nazi support to not even be half of what it eventually grew to be.

All I'm saying is that Hitler did not ride into power all by his lonesome and he did not have total unanimous support from the Germans. Much of his victory rested on destroying alternatives for the people.

 

[baxter]

I agree with what you are saying and admittly he didn't have total support, I was simply pointing out that Hitler who was a powerful and spellbinding speaker attracted a wide following of Germans desperate for change. He promised the disenchanted a better life and a new and glorious Germany.He had appeal with the unemployed, young people, and members of the lower middle class ,basically across the board.

 

[clarky003]

I think the documentary is very intelligent , it's essentially an analysis of the human physche and its direct extension to how we behave. and its very right in doing so, as that is exactley where everything starts out its existence, Its accurate to how these people think aswell.. The answer to it all is physcological through personal belief bias created by certain stimuli through their life (including how they where treated as young people),going on to create a vision of the enviroment to give meaning to peoples lives and their own for sake of controlling them.. no matter what the truth actually is. If you cant see that documentary's like this hit the nail on the head, then I suggest you take up physcology classes for a deeper understanding of what drives the human mind.

 

[$kelet0r]

just watched part 2
just as good as the first
really good history
i think it glossed over how depraved some people were in their efforts to get clinton and also the growth of the southern bible thumping movement but excellent stuff
its all true as well regardless of what spin you put on it
just remembered that the first episode completely glossed over the terror that was unleashed in south America by the neocons - the aggressive foreign policies of reagan

 

[kmack]

A recent poll showed that over a quarter of russians would vote for Stalin if he were alive today. The "no power" part of your statement could quickly vanish.

lol, not only is that impossible, but 25% isnt enough to get him elected, and basing an argument on resurrecting a dead paranoid genocide fiend is just a tiny bit silly

 

[Tr0n]

Well....

I post a thread about there being no WMD's in iraq...and none of the righties post in it.Stern post more facts about how much the "war on terror" is bullshit...but bearly any righties post about it...

So wtf? :|

 

[CptStern]

i saw a tumbleweed drift by awhile back while waiting for the rabid righties to respond ...I've also counted sheep, witnessed hell freezing over and curiously enough saw a pig fly

 

[Tr0n]

Hmmmm...only one I saw was a flying pig...


....but I shot it down.

"Pork, the other white meat."

 

[kirovman]

They've all been bedridden with Smallpox?

From one of Saddam's biological weapons of course :E

 

[$kelet0r]

ambush them then
post a thread saying bush is the new messiah then hit them where it hurts
hehehe

 

[CptStern]

Hmmmm...only one I saw was a flying pig...


....but I shot it down.

"Pork, the other white meat."

you know, there aare other uses for pigs besides as a source of meat

 

[Tr0n]

you know, there aare other uses for pigs besides as a source of meat

I want one!

 

[CptStern]

I have 3 ...one for when I'm at my house of straw, the other when I'm visiting my brother at his house of sticks ...and so on :E

 

[$kelet0r]

did i mention i'm a big bad wolf
i'll huff
and
then
i'll
puff
Damnit where is everyone today

 

[GiaOmerta]

Talking about white meat.
I was checking out cadavers at Brown University not too long ago.
One of the tables had a leg and an arm dissected. Started to get hungry. Looked just like chicken. I kid you not.

 

[$kelet0r]

dont they feed you properly
poor you
send in the UN

 

[GiaOmerta]

You know what a cadaver is John?

 

[$kelet0r]

well cannibalism isn't my first choice for culinary delights but hell when you're hungry....

 

[GiaOmerta]

Muscle is muscle.
We went to Wendy's afterwards, so it was good times.

 

[jondy]

Muscle is muscle.
We went to Wendy's afterwards, so it was good times.

Now Wendy's is some quality muscle.

 

[GiaOmerta]

Consisting I bought 3 orders of chicken nuggets.

 

[Bodacious]

They've all been bedridden with Smallpox?

From one of Saddam's biological weapons of course :E

I was innoculated against smallpox when I got to Kuwait, before I went to Iraq, so no, no smallpox here.

 

[kmack]

I was innoculated against smallpox when I got to Kuwait, before I went to Iraq, so no, no smallpox here.

no chemical weapons either, thanks for your personal story though...really really relevant...

 

[Tr0n]

no chemical weapons either, thanks for your personal story though...really really relevant...

Yea....where are those wmd's?