Marijuana may actually be good for the brain

Well, I don't know about that. But if that's the case, then cool. :)
 
You misread it, whether thats true or not, doesnt make the drug good. For recreational use's the cons far outway the pros.
 
Solaris said:
You misread it, whether thats true or not, doesnt make the drug good. For recreational use's the cons far outway the pros.
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Cons? Please name them. There are very few cons when compared to something like alcohal or regular smoking.
 
chance of gettinmg cancer is much higher then smoking a "fag"
 
Yeah, but cons exist nonetheless, even if they're not that bad.

But yeah, have to see if someone's able to reproduce the result, and then maybe apply it somehow. It's worth noting that some antidepressents create the same effect.
 
It kills brain sells, cause bood clots, decreases heart performance, makes people sterile, oh to name a few.
 
Solaris said:
It kills brain sells, cause bood clots, decreases heart performance, makes people sterile, oh to name a few.
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Well this article is saying that it actually promotes the growth of brain cells. The rest are either hotly debated and far from a sure thing or they are the exact same problems that regular smoking can cause. On top of that marijuana is also known for theraputic things as well.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg16722503.800
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6283

Im not saying it doesn't cause bad things, im saying its just a lot better than traditional smoking or alcohal use.
 
The NHS poster in my school says it does,
 
Solaris said:
You misread it, whether thats true or not, doesnt make the drug good. For recreational use's the cons far outway the pros.
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Exactly. If you don't look at health issues any drug is bad because of addiction. I know many people say you are not addicted (many even claim you can't get addicted from smoking weed) but the truth is you are. Drugs all have bad effects when it comes to your personal responsibilites.

Cons? Please name them. There are very few cons when compared to something like alcohal or regular smoking.
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Short term memory loss, lazyness, health hazards and of course living at home with your parents when you are 27 :D (cant remember the name of the comedian that named that one).

Don't get me wrong, I think weed is a lot better than alcohol or any other hardcore drug, but saying there are no cons is plain wrong (I know you didn't say that).

Spicy Tuna said:
chance of gettinmg cancer is much higher then smoking a "fag"
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Yes and no. Cigarettes are extremely addicting so people tend to smoke at least a pack a day. A moderate pot head will smoke the equivalent of 3-4 cigs. The main problem with weed is that people hold it in their lungs which kills your respiratory system.

With all that said I do think it should be legal but since this isn't really the point of the original topic I won't go in to that.
 
Some people say that weed makes you lazy. Thats bullshit. What it does is make you realize how your time would be better spent. For example, a person on weed may think: 'Well, I could get up at 6am and go to work, or I could just get up at 12 and learn how to play the sitar'.

And the cancer argument doesnt work either. An individual joint is more carcinogenic than a cigarette, yes. But find me somebody who can smoke as many joints in a day as they could cigarettes.
 
CptStern said:
/me looks at stern jr


it doesnt make you sterile
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:E :E :E

And the cancer argument doesnt work either. An individual joint is more carcinogenic than a cigarette, yes. But find me somebody who can smoke as many joints in a day as they could cigarettes.
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*No Limit raises hand* :p

The problem again is not how many you smoke but how you smoke it. Cigarettes you blow out right away, weed you hold in your lungs for a long period of time.
 
Marijuana use through smoking is10x more likely to cause cancer than a regular cigarette. But if eaten in the correct fashion, it produces a longer lasting high as well as less bad effects. Just takes a little longer to kick in.
 
Is not de mary-jane not so cancer-us if ye not smoke it wit de tobacco?
 
So by cominging to harmful drugs, you end up with a result that isn't harmfull....


Saywhat?
 
It really doesn't make you lazy. I'll smoke one and then clean my house, or before I go to work, and work like a madman.

I would go into school blasted every day and I got (nearly) straight A's... except for math... ****ing math.

Regardless, don't believe everything you read on the walls of your schools or on the propaganda filled commercials, it's very hypocritical to claim how bad it is then pound back a bottle of jack daniels and brutally murder your liver and kidneys and so on.

Plus, as opposed to alcohol, a pothead will never beat his wife, haha, he'll pobably forget he was mad at her within the next 20 seconds of a riceroni commercial on the tv.

Nah but really, legalize it, or ban alcohol too, thats what I say. I don't care which.

The ONLY con's I've ever experienced are short term memory loss (yes its true, but it does come back) and... well... that's really about it.

It is not addictive, atleast in the traditional sense. Or, otherwise, physically addicting like something like heroin or coccaine where you "have" to have it, but moreso mentally addicting.

You want to smoke all the time, not have to. I haven't smoked in like 2 weeks and im not laying on the floor clenching my stomache going through any sort of withdrawel, but it would be nice if I had some.

And a gateway drug? Please, I've never touched a drug in my life (no i dont consider it a drug, it's a plant, I want to be free), and never will (well okay i tried acid once... jesus christ, never doing that again).

And as far as the carcinogens, Marijuana contains a greatly less amount of them, infact, what you were looking for was that there's 4x the amount of tar in a marijunana cigarette. But, it is proven that this tar, because it doesnt contain the things cigarettes contain like CYANIDE and AMMONIA (the stuff in urine), it will actually clear up much faster than cigarette tar from the lungs (and yes it can clear up if you stop smoking)

All in all, alot of the things you hear on commercials and such are either greatly exaggerated, or completely false... I personally think it should be legal, alot of cultures in the world (rastafarians anyone?) use it as a meditation tool to be closer to thier respective God and think it's God's gift to earth.

Also, it bothers me that these drug companies make highly addictive drugs (which often are founnd to be harmful, come on, you know you've seen the comercials where there's a lawyer and he's all like "Hey yo, you been taking Celebrex? Give me a call, we'll sue the shit out of em'") like my brother for example, who used Zoloft for his depression, but now we are poor and can't afford it, and the poor guy is going through such bad withdrawl, its really sad to watch. Marijuana? That doesn't happen.

The prisons are overflowing with non-violent drug abusers in America, and legalization would (in my opinion) stop the gateway drug notion (its in my ideals that people go into harder illegal drugs to be "cooler", but if it was legal then... it wouldn't be an illegal drug, quite obviously) as well as clean out the prisons. In Canada, they have much less of a problem with overflowing prisons because its really hard to be sent to jail for marijuana, usually they just take it. Oh I miss Canada.

That's my 25 cents.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I suggest you watch the movie "Grass" funded by NORML and voiced by Woody Harleson, very good and non-biased movie about the history of Marijuana.
 
MrWhite said:
It really doesn't make you lazy. I'll smoke one and then clean my house, or before I go to work, and work like a madman.

I would go into school blasted every day and I got (nearly) straight A's... except for math... ****ing math.

Regardless, don't believe everything you read on the walls of your schools or on the propaganda filled commercials, it's very hypocritical to claim how bad it is then pound back a bottle of jack daniels and brutally murder your liver and kidneys and so on.

Plus, as opposed to alcohol, a pothead will never beat his wife, haha, he'll pobably forget he was mad at her within the next 20 seconds of a riceroni commercial on the tv.

Nah but really, legalize it, or ban alcohol too, thats what I say. I don't care which.

The ONLY con's I've ever experienced are short term memory loss (yes its true, but it does come back) and... well... that's really about it.

It is not addictive, atleast in the traditional sense. Or, otherwise, physically addicting like something like heroin or coccaine where you "have" to have it, but moreso mentally addicting.

You want to smoke all the time, not have to. I haven't smoked in like 2 weeks and im not laying on the floor clenching my stomache going through any sort of withdrawel, but it would be nice if I had some.

And a gateway drug? Please, I've never touched a drug in my life (no i dont consider it a drug, it's a plant, I want to be free), and never will (well okay i tried acid once... jesus christ, never doing that again).

And as far as the carcinogens, Marijuana contains a greatly less amount of them, infact, what you were looking for was that there's 4x the amount of tar in a marijunana cigarette. But, it is proven that this tar, because it doesnt contain the things cigarettes contain like CYANIDE and AMMONIA (the stuff in urine), it will actually clear up much faster than cigarette tar from the lungs (and yes it can clear up if you stop smoking)

All in all, alot of the things you hear on commercials and such are either greatly exaggerated, or completely false... I personally think it should be legal, alot of cultures in the world (rastafarians anyone?) use it as a meditation tool to be closer to thier respective God and think it's God's gift to earth.

Also, it bothers me that these drug companies make highly addictive drugs (which often are founnd to be harmful, come on, you know you've seen the comercials where there's a lawyer and he's all like "Hey yo, you been taking Celebrex? Give me a call, we'll sue the shit out of em'") like my brother for example, who used Zoloft for his depression, but now we are poor and can't afford it, and the poor guy is going through such bad withdrawl, its really sad to watch. Marijuana? That doesn't happen.

The prisons are overflowing with non-violent drug abusers in America, and legalization would (in my opinion) stop the gateway drug notion (its in my ideals that people go into harder illegal drugs to be "cooler", but if it was legal then... it wouldn't be an illegal drug, quite obviously) as well as clean out the prisons. In Canada, they have much less of a problem with overflowing prisons because its really hard to be sent to jail for marijuana, usually they just take it. Oh I miss Canada.

That's my 25 cents.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I suggest you watch the movie "Grass" funded by NORML and voiced by Woody Harleson, very good and non-biased movie about the history of Marijuana.
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mmmmmm riceroni .....what were we talking about? :smoking:
 
CptStern said:
mmmmmm riceroni .....what were we talking about? :smoking:
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Dude I totally don't even remember... what the hell were we watching anyway?
 
I think it was something on that san francisco treat ..hey let's go for falafels my treat ..oh they got these awesome brownies there ...yummy
 
Tantalus said:
Marijuana use through smoking is10x more likely to cause cancer than a regular cigarette. But if eaten in the correct fashion, it produces a longer lasting high as well as less bad effects. Just takes a little longer to kick in.
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I dont mean to be the party stopper but remember eating it can cause an over dose.
 
I basically want to say that MrWhite's about 100% correct on all points there.

also, im comin to get some falafels. im ****ing hungry.

Oh, and eating pot has about zero harmful effects, plus it's a better and longer high.
 
I heard (I love how all bad ill informed posts start this way but Ill continue) that Marijuana was origionally made illegal not for health concerns but from Lobbying by Tobacco and Cotton industries who feared competition.

May be a simple rumor but it seems like a very likely scenario in my eyes.
 
Voodoo_Chile said:
I heard (I love how all bad ill informed posts start this way but Ill continue) that Marijuana was origionally made illegal not for health concerns but from Lobbying by Tobacco and Cotton industries who feared competition.

May be a simple rumor but it seems like a very likely scenario in my eyes.
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This is not entirely true but certainly not wrong. The entire Reefer Madness propaganda campaign was part of some guy's political platform and he was probably backed by those industries because they feared competition from hemp, which is somewhat of a wonder crop (amazingly easy to grow, and has myriad uses).
 
Ennui said:
This is not entirely true but certainly not wrong. The entire Reefer Madness propaganda campaign was part of some guy's political platform and he was probably backed by those industries because they feared competition from hemp, which is somewhat of a wonder crop (amazingly easy to grow, and has myriad uses).
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Heh, the ironic thing now, is that all of the cigarette companies are ready for the legalization and welcome it. They've bought out all the names like the Mary Jane Cigarette Company (owned by the same people who make "Liggetts" and Marlboro's)

Unfortunately (and maybe fortunately) my entire family in canada all smoke pot, and along with many other people, don't want it legalized because they fear the same thing will happen to marijuana that happened to cigarettes, they would start putting chemicals and whatnot into it. Which... I somewhat fear myself.

When polled the majority of canadians want it legalized, but when it came time to vote for it, i believe just over 50% of voters in canada actually voted, and it still won (though I could be wrong, that's just what I remember reading) though pressure from the United States made it remain illegal. I reckon the next democrat that comes into power and Canada will see a big push in legalization.

EDIT: btw I love your avatar, poor dr. thompson... RIP. I actually went out and bought the exact same cigarette holder depp uses in that movie... classic stuff.

CptStern said:
I think it was something on that san francisco treat ..hey let's go for falafels my treat ..oh they got these awesome brownies there ...yummy
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I'm so there, I'll pitch in for the tip.
 
It's really quite silly for hemp itself to be illegal as the crop has very low psychoactive content and thus can't really be used as a drug. Of course, if I was growing hemp, I'd have a few higher-quality plants in there.
 
a vaporizer takes away all harmful effects from smoking ..it doesnt actually burn so no carcogenics


oh and Ennui bring a friend I know of a place that has 2 for 1 falafels and they're massive ..I can never eat 2
 
you're making me hungry stern, and i spent five bucks on a few huge slices of pizza for lunch only a few hours ago.

vaporizing it or eating it is the way to go, though they're also the hardest to do (tho it's not that hard to make a ghetto vaporizer out of a lightbulb). I prefer pulling it through water.
 
Ennui said:
This is not entirely true but certainly not wrong. The entire Reefer Madness propaganda campaign was part of some guy's political platform and he was probably backed by those industries because they feared competition from hemp, which is somewhat of a wonder crop (amazingly easy to grow, and has myriad uses).
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Ahh cool I knew it was something along those lines. It certainly does seem like something those industries would attempt.
I have not tried either Tobacco (Hate the stuff with a Pashion,Thankfully the Irish gov. have outlawed all smoking in places of business. I can drink in peace ;))

or marijuana and dont want to but I dont believe 90% of what is said about the ills of marijuana as there is no way to get straight fecking answers out of any side.
 
Haha I have no idea how to make a vaporizer, and they are damn expensive, but good thing about water is it cleans some of the carcinogens out...

And Voodoo_Chile, im serious about watching the movie Grass, its almost completely unbiased and just lays out the facts, good and bad.

EDIT: Here's a cheap one that doesn't use batteries or plugs like most do... and is tiny enough to fit ina cigarette pack. I like it. http://www.cheapvaporizer.com/index.php
 
Wow, and only 8 bucks :O
I wish they sold those in stores
Im way too lazy to use the internet to buy one XD
 
Hey parents, can I see your credit card to buy a vaporizer?
 
no, it does have carcinogens (not sure if this is confirmed but its likely), though there have been zero documented cases of cancer in people who smoke pot exclusively. considering that millions and millions of americans are pot smokers who don't smoke cigarettes, that's not bad.
 
Not only are there zero recorded cancer cases from smoking pot, there are zero recorded deaths from smoking pot in general (but there are some from the stupid things some stupid people do when high... some people, like dirnking, just should not smoke)

You pretty much cannot overdose on marijuana, i mean, you can, but I read it would take smoking a bathtub filled with the stickiest icky all in the course of a few hours to cause it, which is, physically impossible so no, you cant OD on pot.
 
The first page scared with some of the ignorant responses. I was going to type up a page-long rant against you people. But I see now that certain dependable forumites have been busy with enlightening these lost sheep with far cooler heads than I have.
 
If the campaign for marijuana legalization wants to get anywhere it needs to stick to facts/throw out lies. It does have harmful side effects and other issues, but most are exaggerated. However, they simply ruin their own case by claiming lies that it's perfectly fine and encouraging use to children, etc.
 
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