Marijuana may actually be good for the brain

[Absinthe]

However, they simply ruin their own case by claiming lies that it's perfectly fine and encouraging use to children, etc.

...What.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

...What.

Poor sentence. Um-- Basically they put forth the image that marijuana is perfectly harmless. They market is as acceptable for everyone and refuse to acknowledge the health risks associated. If they'd take a rational, logical arguement and put it to work, about legalization, economics, personal choice, and true regulation of the product, they could actually get somewhere. But the movement doesn't do that.

One pro legalization arguement I recently heard (not kidding, by the way, by someone pretty involved) "It doesn't hurt you, it doesn't hurt brain cells it just like... reroutes them.."

edit: Also the fact that many in the legalization movement are utterly obsessed with it. I don't know if it's addiction or what (people will argue that) but to say that it doesn't hurt their own cause is untrue. You don't see cigarette smokers who favor their right to do so with huge Tobacco leaves everywhere, their favorite brand name imprinted everywhere possible, etc.

 

[Raziaar]

420 and 666 come up about 100-150 times a month in various things, for me.

I play games,and glance at the screen, its often 420 or 666 health, or that much damage done or taken off one of my characters. Nearly every day I randomly look at my clock, and I always see 420.

I take three dice and roll em in risk, and it comes up 6 6 6.


Therefore, by logical assumption, drugs must be the mark of the beast.

 

[Ennui]

Encouraging children to use marijuana? NORML says otherwise.

Responsible Use

Marijuana is the third most popular recreational drug in America (behind only alcohol and tobacco), and has been used by nearly 80 million Americans. According to government surveys, some 20 million Americans have smoked marijuana in the past year, and more than 11 million do so regularly despite harsh laws against its use. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.

Marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco. Around 50,000 people die each year from alcohol poisoning. Similarly, more than 400,000 deaths each year are attributed to tobacco smoking. By comparison, marijuana is nontoxic and cannot cause death by overdose. According to the prestigious European medical journal, The Lancet, "The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. ... It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat ... than alcohol or tobacco."

As with alcohol consumption, marijuana smoking can never be an excuse for misconduct or other improper behavior. For example, driving or operating heavy equipment while impaired from marijuana should be prohibited.

Most importantly, marijuana smoking is for adults only, and is inappropriate for children. There are many activities in our society that are permissible for adults, but forbidden for children, such as motorcycle riding, skydiving, signing contracts, getting married, drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco. However, we do not condone arresting adults who responsibly engage in these activities in order to dissuade our children from doing so. Nor can we justify arresting adult marijuana smokers on the grounds of sending a "message" to children. Our expectation and hope for young people is that they grow up to be responsible adults, and our obligation to them is to demonstrate what that means. Further information regarding the responsible use of marijuana is available here.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

well of course their is minor health issues with it, but nothing that second hand smoke hasn't already done to your lungs. And as the article this topic is based on, it clearly states that it doesn't kill braincells, infact it actually may help the growth of them!!! :O

I'm not trying to demonize it or anything I'm just saying that they have to be honest- it really isn't going to aid people/help them get smart via smoking it as the article can mislead "the masses". But you know what I mean they have to address things truthfully before they will get anywhere, and so far overall they have failed to do so big time.

The culture is pretty bad and that severely harms any legalization movement (overall I mean, but it goes into groups I suppose, your 'cliche' stoner of old movies past is just a harmless partier but today it's generally accepted/funding of gangbangers and such)

 

[Raziaar]

i know ur j/k but wha? like i said you have to be a pothead to get the 420 bit :/

Dude, I know what the **** 420 is. lol. Most non druggies even know.

 

[Ennui]

That cursed number is the reason that April 20th of this past year is a very foggy memory

 

[MrWhite]

That cursed number is the reason that April 20th of this past year is a very foggy memory

Imagine an entire oz into 1 roll. Yes, 4/20 was quite a party.

But no, NORML, as Ennui posted, does not condone the use for children or deny any of the health risks. Saying that without actually knowing is countuing to buy into the propaganda continually spewed out.

Haha, I have a watch that the battery died, so I set it to 4:20 and I wear it when I go to formal events (it's a very nice expensive watch so I only wear it to formal occasions). And many times a week I'll randomly look at the clock and it will say 4:20 and I'll go "ehhhhhhhh!" and point at it... erhm... but besides that and a small framed picture of a leaf, I don't think I find myself obsessed with it.

Infact, I hate the media's image of a typical stoner... it's disgusting the way they depict us, infact, I even hate the name "stoner" its demeaning like im some sort of hoodlum, or hood rat who doesnt even find the time to shower or go to work. I prefer the term "Marijuana Enthusiast".

Quite frankly, it's a hobby, as it is to many in Americans, and many more throughout the world. It will never be more than a hobby and I, amoung other "stoners" and "potheads", would never put it in front of more important things like school, work (though we all need a few personal days), or anything else like children, and so fourth.

Hemp alone can be used to make alternative food sources, to make cloth and other tangible goods, oils and possibly (but only speculated) an alternative fuel source, and marijuana itself is proven medically to be a miracle. It keeps nuasea down for cancer and aids patients, as well as keeping thier appetites up (which is a problem for cancer patients, not eating I mean), depressurizes the eyeballs which are good for things like eye infections and glaucoma, arthritis, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard it from Peter Tosh (Bob Marley's guitarist counterpart who was part of the wailers) but it even helps with athsma. As well as a disease he made up as a joke called Tubercular Combosis. Which I, actually, do have. :naughty:

 

[Raziaar]

I dunno, I find a drug themed time on your watch that you froze, as a conversation piece is pretty obsessed.

Most people have pictures of their women/men/family, not their plantlife friends.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Imagine an entire oz into 1 roll. Yes, 4/20 was quite a party.

But no, NORML, as Ennui posted, does not condone the use for children or deny any of the health risks. Saying that without actually knowing is countuing to buy into the propaganda continually spewed out.

Haha, I have a watch that the battery died, so I set it to 4:20 and I wear it when I go to formal events (it's a very nice expensive watch so I only wear it to formal occasions). And many times a week I'll randomly look at the clock and it will say 4:20 and I'll go "ehhhhhhhh!" and point at it... erhm... but besides that and a small framed picture of a leaf, I don't think I find myself obsessed with it.

Infact, I hate the media's image of a typical stoner... it's disgusting the way they depict us, infact, I even hate the name "stoner" its demeaning like im some sort of hoodlum, or hood rat who doesnt even find the time to shower or go to work. I prefer the term "Marijuana Enthusiast".

Quite frankly, it's a hobby, as it is to many in Americans, and many more throughout the world. It will never be more than a hobby and I, amoung other "stoners" and "potheads", would never put it in front of more important things like school, work (though we all need a few personal days), or anything else like children, and so fourth.

Hemp alone can be used to make alternative food sources, to make cloth and other tangible goods, oils and possibly (but only speculated) an alternative fuel source, and marijuana itself is proven medically to be a miracle. It keeps nuasea down for cancer and aids patients, as well as keeping thier appetites up (which is a problem for cancer patients, not eating I mean), depressurizes the eyeballs which are good for things like eye infections and glaucoma, arthritis, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard it from Peter Tosh (Bob Marley's guitarist counterpart who was part of the wailers) but it even helps with athsma. As well as a disease he made up as a joke called Tubercular Combosis. Which I, actually, do have. :naughty:

But honestly, you're never going to get anywhere with that one either. The alternative uses. You just need to push for it as it really is. A substance used for recreation, pair it with cigarettes in comparison to get legalization. If they would be honest and just say "Hey, you know, we'd like to just be able to smoke them like people are able to tobacco" I'd finally give them some ounce of support.

 

[MrWhite]

I dunno, I find a drug themed time on your watch that you froze, as a conversation piece is pretty obsessed.

Most people have pictures of their women/men/family, not their plantlife friends.

Funny, because for christmas I got two frames, a big one and a small one (with furry cow print on them for some... odd reason). My GIRLFRIEND's picture resides safely in the big one, and in a magazine i had laying around I saw a really neat picture so I clipped it out and put it in the small one for shits and giggles. And the watch thing was just me having fun with a broken watch that I happened to be wearing while I noticed it had died, so as a joke I set it to 4:20, nothing harmful with a little joke. I don't sit there and think about it 24/7.

EDIT: Ex-girlfriend... wow I should really take that out... what the hell is it still doing on my dresser... thanks for pointing that out... now I can... put a picture of my... son in it? come on.

But honestly, you're never going to get anywhere with that one either. The alternative uses. You just need to push for it as it really is. A substance used for recreation, pair it with cigarettes in comparison to get legalization. If they would be honest and just say "Hey, you know, we'd like to just be able to smoke them like people are able to tobacco" I'd finally give them some ounce of support.

But I'm not just promoting alternative uses, as I said earlier, it's a plant and I want to be free in my harmless endeavours. However, it does help to claim the fact that it can be used for the greater good along with my empty sundays.

EDIT: I'm not even trying to promote it, I could care less if anyone else in the world uses it, I know I do, and I wouldn't want to pressure anyone else into using it. It's just not for everyone.

 

[AzzMan]

if alcohol and cigs are legal, there is no logical reason marijuana should not be.

Ive never seen someone smoke so much they almost died and had to go to the hospital. alcohol on the other hand.....

 

[Ennui]

if alcohol and cigs are legal, there is no logical reason marijuana should not be.

Quoted for one hundred percent "azz" kickin truth.

 

[15357]

if alcohol and cigs are legal, there is no logical reason marijuana should not be.

Ive never seen someone smoke so much they almost died and had to go to the hospital. alcohol on the other hand.....

Society will become ill, it will disintegrete due to the addicts and they're "behaviors".

 

[Absinthe]

Society will become ill, it will disintegrete due to the addicts and they're "behaviors".

Funny how we don't suffer from that currently.

 

[AzzMan]

Society will become ill, it will disintegrete due to the addicts and they're "behaviors".

proof plzkthx

 

[The Mullinator]

Ive never seen someone smoke so much they almost died and had to go to the hospital. alcohol on the other hand.....

I almost did actually a couple weeks ago at Uni. At least thats what we thought at first when he started having seizures from doing "water falls" (name probably changes from place to place), at least we thought it was from the weed even though all of us didn't think it could even happen. We called the ambulance though.

Turns out though it was a combination of an allergic reaction to something in the weed that was not noticable until he smoked large quantities of it and dehydration. So no it wasn't something that would happen to most people but it still scared the crap out of us.

I don't blame anything or anyone for it though, turns out he was perfectly alright in the end and the ambulance didn't need to take him away, they just needed to give him water and have someone with him to get better.

 

[brink's]

ok i rad the first page and just had to respond. It has been proven that marijuana DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!! stop saying that GEEZ, all it's going to do is make u replace a lung or two if you smoke tons of mary everyday. Marijuana just has more tar in it, it does not cause cancer! dont ask me to link it b/c i really dont remember where exactly i saw this as it was almost a year ago when i learned this.

No kidding, it may do a bit more damage to the lungs then a single cigarette, but i don't know anyone who smokes 2 packs of weed a day

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

where show me these lies, i have only seen lies from 1 place, and that is the opposition party, or the gov't. I dont see filthy lies coming outta normls mouth, or any other marijuana movement in the country. Show me examples plz. And what do u mean the culture is pretty bad u must elaborate on this, cuz as far as i know the culture is fine.

I've never heard of NORML before now but it's just the general attitude. People themselves putting forth the notion that it's 100% great or seriously downplaying health issues, they're minor but it should be noted and the health arguement becomes YOURS, and not the oppositions. This is what the marijuana legalization people have failed to do. (in a whole sense, groups individually may do it but it definately is not seen coming from the majority)

The 'marijuana' culture is pretty bad. "Smoke weed every day all day" is a common wish. It's idolized it seems like Ecstacy in the 90's (Big E's, etc) I know people who smoke marijuana and you probably wouldn't know unless you asked them. The people who are obsessed, it becomes part of their lives, and deal illicitly are the huge negatives and basically make up that drug culture. It's a real put off.

 

[Pesmerga]

whats a mary-j

 

[15357]

proof plzkthx

err, um.......

 

[CptStern]

The 'marijuana' culture is pretty bad. "Smoke weed every day all day" is a common wish. It's idolized it seems like Ecstacy in the 90's (Big E's, etc) I know people who smoke marijuana and you probably wouldn't know unless you asked them. The people who are obsessed, it becomes part of their lives, and deal illicitly are the huge negatives and basically make up that drug culture. It's a real put off.

oh ffs what a load of steamy crap ..I'm at least double your age and have known many potheads in my time and I can count the number of people who smoke it on a daily basis on one hand ...in fact there's very few people I've met who havent smoked pot at one point. In a recent poll in canada over 60% of teens said they had smoked pot within the last year ...one joint a year does NOT make you an addict

 

[BF2slut]

You misread it, whether thats true or not, doesnt make the drug good. For recreational use's the cons far outway the pros.

What? Is that what your parents told you?

injections of a cannabis-like chemical

what do they mean "cannabis-like"? if it's not really cannabis why do they call it cannabis?

I'm all for cannabis legalization but we are a long ways from it.. Nobody has ever died from it. There is no physical addiction, people try to say it's mentally addicted but you can be "mentally addicted" to things like soda, should we ban soda?

 

[ailevation]

All I know is that the ancients most likely smoked or chewed on marijuana and coca leaves. Look what they have done, constructed amazing complex geometrical structures.

The marijuana gives you this new world of thinking!

 

[15357]

Why do you people want drugs to be legalized? Its fecking harmful, hence the ban.

 

[ailevation]

Atleast marijuana should be. I mean ciggarettes and alcohol are legal.

The effects of Marijuana are often times lesser(by harm factor) than alcohol... marijuana doesn't have any artificial chemicals like cigs.

 

[Absinthe]

Why do you people want drugs to be legalized? Its fecking harmful, hence the ban.

Bullshit. If that were the case, cigarettes and alcohol would also be illegal. To presume that marijuana is illegal because it's harmful is to be steeped in ignorance.

Greasy food can be harmful. I highly doubt McDonald's helped anybody's diet. I don't know about where you live, but I don't see us rounding up fat people and executing them with a pistol to the spine. I don't see anorexics getting locked up. I don't see dangerous activities like skydiving and bungee jumping being outlawed. Call me crazy, but I believe this is the case because people are able to live how they coose, within reason natch. So if I want to take the risk of damaging my respiratory system with some chronic (by far one of the less dangerous things I could possibly do with my life), that's my business and mine alone.

 

[15357]

Bullshit. If that were the case, cigarettes and alcohol would also be illegal. To presume that marijuana is illegal because it's harmful is to be steeped in ignorance.

Greasy food can be harmful. I highly doubt McDonald's helped anybody's diet. I don't know about where you live, but I don't see us rounding up fat people and executing them with a pistol to the spine. I don't see anorexics getting locked up. I don't see dangerous activities like skydiving and bungee jumping being outlawed. Call me crazy, but I believe this is the case because people are able to live how they coose, within reason natch. So if I want to take the risk of damaging my respiratory system with some chronic (by far one of the less dangerous things I could possibly do with my life), that's my business and mine alone.

Really? Why is it banned?

 

[Absinthe]

I currently don't have the time to go into a fully detailed response. I can, however, summarize its current legal status as due to the following.

-Its effectiveness as a political tool for justifying racism a long time ago.
-Its threat to the paper industries a long time ago.
-The dishonest myth that has surrounded it and perpetuated itself for years.
-Political groupthink. No politician wants to be the one to risk legalizing cannabis and sinking their careers.

As you'll notice, the first two points are based on shoddy reasoning dated far back in history. The last two points are essentially in reference to those. The conclusion? There has not been a single rational reason for keeping cannabis illegal at any point in time. The fact that it has remained in such a state in spite of all the information available to us is truly shocking. I can only conclude that it remains illegal because so many people are too chicken-shit to put their foot down and say they've had enough of this crap.

 

[Zeus]

Why do you people want drugs to be legalized? Its fecking harmful, hence the ban.

lmfao, cigarettes and alcohol are just as bad if not worse for you and they are legal

 

[BF2slut]

Really? Why is it banned?

The ban has been in effect for almost 70-80 years when the people started saying it makes you go "crazy", makes you murder your whole family, etc...

marijuana isn't half as dangerous as ciggs or alcohol and I say this from personal experience(s)

 

[Raziaar]

oh ffs what a load of steamy crap ..I'm at least double your age and have known many potheads in my time and I can count the number of people who smoke it on a daily basis on one hand ...in fact there's very few people I've met who havent smoked pot at one point. In a recent poll in canada over 60% of teens said they had smoked pot within the last year ...one joint a year does NOT make you an addict

It can take one time to make you an addict of many things, stern.

Oh, and better add quite a few more fingers to your hand, because there's tons of people on these forums who have professed to smoking pot daily.

 

[Absinthe]

It can take one time to make you an addict of many things, stern.

So? Key words in that statement are "many things". Might as well make it anything.

Oh, and better add quite a few more fingers to your hand, because there's tons of people on these forums who have professed to smoking pot daily.

Even if such is the case, what bearing does that have on anything.

 

[BF2slut]

It can take one time to make you an addict of many things, stern.

Oh, and better add quite a few more fingers to your hand, because there's tons of people on these forums who have professed to smoking pot daily.

Kind of ironic that you posted that at 4:20 A.M.?

Who cares about daily pot smokers? It's not like we are jonesing for some smack :frog:

 

[Raziaar]

So? Key words in that statement are "many things". Might as well make it anything.



Even if such is the case, what bearing does that have on anything.

Ummmm... because there's tons of people who smoke pot ritualistically daily? Despite what Stern is trying to claim.

I can't COUNT the number of potheads I know that just sit around all day wasting their lives away smoking pot, in their parents garage or basement. Too many.

I only said it because stern was using his friends as an example... when surely thats not how it is everywhere else.

 

[BF2slut]

Ummmm... because there's tons of people who smoke pot ritualistically daily? Despite what Stern is trying to claim.

I can't COUNT the number of potheads I know that just sit around all day wasting their lives away smoking pot, in their parents garage or basement. Too many.

That doesn't make sense.. how do they eat, sleep, shower and go to school if they smoke all day everyday?

 

[Raziaar]

That doesn't make sense.. how do they eat, sleep, shower and go to school if they smoke all day everyday?

What are you kidding me? Like the classic pothead junky of hollywood... they eat all the food in their parents/friends refrigerators, fall asleep when they pass out, shower very rarely, and they have dropped out of school. I hope you didn't HONESTLY believe I meant they smoked pot every second of every day and did nothing else at all, ever? Cause that'd be stupid to believe.

I'm talking about the many many potheads *I* personally know. Some use different stuff than pot, but I have avoided them like the plague since I met them. ****ed up lives.

 

[Absinthe]

Ummmm... because there's tons of people who smoke pot ritualistically daily? Despite what Stern is trying to claim.

So? Where's the issue? While I personally don't condone smoking on a daily basis, it's really only a problem when it starts to interfere with life in a negative fashion.

I can't COUNT the number of potheads I know that just sit around all day wasting their lives away smoking pot, in their parents garage or basement. Too many.

Well, gee. I can't count the number of potheads I know who... uhh... don't. Far more than people who do. And when you're dealing with a substance that is only mentally addicting, then the problem is with personal responsibility as opposed to the drug itself.

This baloney about the supposed marijuana culture should really be stowed.

 

[Raziaar]

Well, gee. I can't count the number of potheads I know who... uhh... don't. Far more than people who do. And when you're dealing with a substance that is only mentally addicting, then the problem is with personal responsibility as opposed to the drug itself.

That may be so... but these were pretty active kids before they started smoking. I guess they just love the high too much!

 

[Absinthe]

That may be so... but these were pretty active kids before they started smoking. I guess they just love the high too much!

Then they're ****ing idiots. Or perhaps they were prone to getting addicted to something in general. Alcohol seems like a likely alternative.

In the end, however, these accounts of personal experience mean nothing in the face of clear objective evidence. Anybody can claim (truthfully or not) about how wonderful or how abysmal smokers they know are.