MGS story.
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It's one of those things you cannot predict even slightly until the game and more trailers come out. Hideo's game is all about deception and constant plot-twists, almost to an obnoxious point sometimes. I hope Meryll will make a triumphant return however, I remember Olga dropping her dogtags in MGS2 if you lifted her body up. I never even beat MGS3 because the idea was never all that appealing to me and from what I played the pace was a bit off from what I expect from the MGS series.
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Raiden was kind of a turn-off for a plot twist, but I loved the game anyways. I have high hopes for MGS3 whenever I can afford a PS3, which may very well be never.
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MGS1 was a truely awsome game, but I agree with Samon, it dropped into a ditch with MGS2, I saw Raiden and just thought 'why the **** do I have to control this poof', the entire story was stupid and completely overboard. However, I think they redeemed themselves entirely with MGS3. I loved MGS3, especially when fighting 'The End' - It was the longest and most intense and gripping boss battle I have fought. The ending made the hairs on the back of my neck lift up when the president named him 'Big Boss'. MGS3 really brought in really well the story behind the story and gave an insite more into Big Boss, I loved it. MGS4 is looking very promising I must say, hopefully it will come to the 360 which I doubt 
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/me thinks of the matrix trilogy
third times...not a charm, but at least mgs2 was a good game, where as matrix reloaded was barely passable.
third times...not a charm, but at least mgs2 was a good game, where as matrix reloaded was barely passable.
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MGS series is still the best story oriented videogame series ever. MGS3's the only game I practically ever cried at, with the ending and all. And while MGS2 got a little screwy at the end, playing it a couple times made me love it. MGS2 was supposed to be Kojima's last game and he was clearly trying to stuff it up with lots of details and such. Sure, a few parts needed a little more work, but I think a great success.
I can't wait for MGS4...hopefully coming to the 360 one day.
I can't wait for MGS4...hopefully coming to the 360 one day.
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Eh, I don't think MGS series follows the same pathway as Matrix at all. Each one of the series has it's highlights, with MGS1 being the best mix of gameplay and story. MGS2 on the otherhand, had THE best console gameplay experience I've ever come across. While the pace of MGS3 seems slow, it really picks up towards the end. I have to say, the conclusion to MGS 3 was absolutuely top notch, it really makes me want to continuue it's plotline (which will only be on PSP).
Whereas compared to the Matrix, you had a rock solid Matrix (1) then just downhill in Reloaded, and slightly redeeming in Revolutions. Basically the series would've been better off if it weren't a trilogy, just The Matrix would've been fine.
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I've loved the series since MGS and I'm getting a PS3 mostly for MGS4. The thing I love the most is the amount of intelligent content Kojima puts into the game. Also the way he balances it out with humor. While the games can be simplistic at times, they can also be very complicated, which keeps me going forward. Bringing up ideas like genetic and social engineering, along with educational facts about nuclear weapons and proliferation make it more than a game, really.
Besides, David Hayter's voice in the games is so utterly badass it gives me a hard-on.
Besides, David Hayter's voice in the games is so utterly badass it gives me a hard-on.
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MGS3 annoys me. I'm halfway through and I don't think I've stealth killed anyone yet. And when I do try, they've changed the control system for the worse which makes it harder to grab people by the neck. It's not exactly easy to sneak up on someone either with the new radar and crap camera view.
1 was great, 2 was good, 3 was ok.
1 was great, 2 was good, 3 was ok.
Because it's stupid to play as some whiny panzy who spends half the game bitching to his girlfriend. That's the kind of retarded plotlines that Japanese people whack off to in their idiotic anime.
You just need to get better at it. I agree that the gameplay is better in MGS2, but MGS3 was tons better in terms of the actual mechanics of sneaking up on people and killing/incapacitating them. In case you didn't know you can use the D-Pad for sneaky walking and hold down circle lightly to grab them, hit L3 to interrogate them ... then there's a few ways to dispose of them, but my favorite is to just push circle down all the way and slit their neck.
As far as the plotline, it definitely took a turn for the worse in MGS2. But it's still my favorite game because it has by far the best gameplay of the series and the plot is interesting enough to make you care a bit, which is more than I can say for 95% of other games. MGS3 and MGS1 have decent plots, but all the games suffer from bad writing.
Don't get me wrong though, MGS is my favorite series. It just has a few flaws.
That is certainly open to debate. A great number of people firmly believe the writing and storytelling in Metal Gear Solid is pretty average, myself included. Fun games, but far from works of art.
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A great number of people firmly believe the writing and storytelling in Metal Gear Solid is pretty awsome! What's your point?
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Sorry, maybe I should add "THIS OF COURSE IS ONLY MY OPINION" to every post I make since it wouldn't be obvious that I'm only speaking from my opinion in the first place.
I see the games as works of art, you don't. Okay, let's move on.
I see the games as works of art, you don't. Okay, let's move on.
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Metal Gear Solid is by far the best written game series ever.
As for disliking Raiden, I found his character not to be very irritating at all, and the entire purpose of the plot was that he is a ripoff of snake.
Also, Samon doesn't like Opposing Force either.
As for disliking Raiden, I found his character not to be very irritating at all, and the entire purpose of the plot was that he is a ripoff of snake.
Also, Samon doesn't like Opposing Force either.
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I felt Raiden was supposed to be someone we could identify more with.
That may have been the purpose ... but you don't find it ridiculously silly that a wimp like Raiden would be in this kind of situation? His character made no sense, anyone who grew up with that kind of background story just woudn't look or act like that. The truth is that he's an awful character and served only as a cheap cash-in to the anime crowd.
And the series is not superbly written. There are tons of really cringe-worthy lines that are probably a result of the translation. The real flaw in the writing is in the ridiculously long and preachy speeches that are totally out of place and make no sense within the context of what's going on. Subtlety is an art lost on the Japanese it seems, as I have never seen a game try and convey an intelligent point ... intelligently. They just blurt it right out and tell you like a goddamn PSA announcment.
"Snake, we have to destroy Metal Gear. Oh yeah ... nukes are bad m'kay?"
And then there's the awful and unnecessary subplots that often prove to be annoying and/or useless and stupid. Otacon falling in love with Sniper Wolf (a throway boss character), Rose/Jack thing (worst ever), and that whole thing about Otacon ****ing his step-mom. And then there's just really stupid, stupid stuff like ... almost every single boss character and the decision to bring liquid back in arm form, seriously what the **** were they thinking?
Like I said, MGS is my favorite game series. However, that is mostly due to the gameplay. The plots remain interesting and give you more than enough reason to keep playing, but they are not works of art in any sense.
And the series is not superbly written. There are tons of really cringe-worthy lines that are probably a result of the translation. The real flaw in the writing is in the ridiculously long and preachy speeches that are totally out of place and make no sense within the context of what's going on. Subtlety is an art lost on the Japanese it seems, as I have never seen a game try and convey an intelligent point ... intelligently. They just blurt it right out and tell you like a goddamn PSA announcment.
"Snake, we have to destroy Metal Gear. Oh yeah ... nukes are bad m'kay?"
And then there's the awful and unnecessary subplots that often prove to be annoying and/or useless and stupid. Otacon falling in love with Sniper Wolf (a throway boss character), Rose/Jack thing (worst ever), and that whole thing about Otacon ****ing his step-mom. And then there's just really stupid, stupid stuff like ... almost every single boss character and the decision to bring liquid back in arm form, seriously what the **** were they thinking?
Like I said, MGS is my favorite game series. However, that is mostly due to the gameplay. The plots remain interesting and give you more than enough reason to keep playing, but they are not works of art in any sense.
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Metal Gear Solid is by far the best written game series ever.
As for disliking Raiden, I found his character not to be very irritating at all, and the entire purpose of the plot was that he is a ripoff of snake.
Also, Samon doesn't like Opposing Force either.
Use 'IMO' when writing this sort of stuff :hmph:
MGS has an awsome storyline and plot, however, IMO, I believe that the Half-Life series far surpasses MGS in every way including the storyline and plot.
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Raiden irritated me, because of the irrelevent nonsense that came along with the character. Plus Snake is such a hard act to follow. I haven't really played MGS3 yet (got subsistence coming as soon as it comes out), but personally I enjoy MGS1 (as twin snakes) more than MGS2. I also think that the bosses are very sketchy and ununified in MGS2. Although it's still a good game gameplay-wise, I think the focus should always be on the 'Snakes (Big Boss, Solid, Liquid - Solidus to a limited extent).
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Sorry, but I find Half Life story one of those generic sci-fi alien-related story that has been done before. Half Life story has a good, but it's one of those "awesome" generic story.
To steal a quote from Mecha, you are a poor judge of writing.
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While I'll agree it's not so subtle, its not THAT obvious. He's never come out and said "Nukes are bad. Everyone should stop using them. Globalization is bad. Everyone should be anti-globalization." Never have I ever seen those as themes of the MGS games. The nuke one perhaps. Kojima grew up in Japan where America dropped the bomb twice on. But its not something outright. He's subtle, just not as subtle as say someone like Lynch or Cronenberg...who could be argued are too subtle.
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My thoughts as well. Both series are great and I'll just leave it at that.
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Nigga please? That was uncalled for. I didn't steal any quote from anybody.
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No he was stealing one from Mecha.
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Well, he can disagree with my opinion. But as far as what my book says, HL's story = generic.
MGS1 was a truely awsome game, but I agree with Samon, it dropped into a ditch with MGS2, I saw Raiden and just thought 'why the **** do I have to control this poof', the entire story was stupid and completely overboard. However, I think they redeemed themselves entirely with MGS3. I loved MGS3, especially when fighting 'The End' - It was the longest and most intense and gripping boss battle I have fought. The ending made the hairs on the back of my neck lift up when the president named him 'Big Boss'. MGS3 really brought in really well the story behind the story and gave an insite more into Big Boss, I loved it. MGS4 is looking very promising I must say, hopefully it will come to the 360 which I doubt
MGS2 is great but it almost took me two years after its release to fully appreciate it. In my mind it is on-par with MGS1, which I have very fond memories of. I've beaten MGS3 two times but I never really got into it honestly.
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A great number of people firmly believe the writing and storytelling in Metal Gear Solid is pretty awsome! What's your point?
It's not ****ing Schindler's List. That's the point.
Kojima seems either obsessed with head-****ing his audience (MGS2) or clunkily hammering long-winded social-political messages into relatively bland gameplay (Pretty much every MGS game). He's trying, bless him. But the result is heavy-handed garbage. And I don't care what you say, but Raiden was a bad idea. Pure and simple. There are gray areas where people can have differing opinions, but he is not one of them. He was an annoying, unsympathetic shit and it was horrible design to force you into his shoes for the majority of the game.
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Raiden isn't as bad as people say... he isn't Snake, but I think they put him in to add some originality to the game.
Raiden slowly gets better as you go to the end.
Also, Raiden was 'unsympathetic' for a reason
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Raiden becomes a seriously confused twit with odd exclamations here and there and STILL doesn't have the god damn sense to put his girlfriend on ignore. When he finally met up with Snake, I was hoping he'd put a bullet in Raiden's head in another retarded plot twist. Then Snake starts laughing like crazy "REALITY IS SUBJECTIVE, RAIDEN. RARARARA FISSION MAILED RARARARA" and then his head pops off with candy shooting out of his throat.
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I didn't mind Raiden, but Rose... she was just painful... I mean PAINFUL!!
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You didn't have to save.. and answer unnecessary codec calls.
You could've just talked to Rose about 5 times throughout the game if you wanted
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That would've been ****ing awesome o__o
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Great, so a sizable chunk of the game is just better off being ignored? More reason for me to dislike the game.
Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing who is calling me until it's too late. So while I'm hoping Peter Stillman - who is one sly brother - is ringing from the other end, I instead find Rose. That evil ****ing harlot. So all I'm left with is furiously mashing down the buttons of my controller to skip past her drivel about how I'm not honest with her, or how I don't know her birthday, or wether or not she's fat, or how her tampon is lodged up her crotch at an uncomfortable angle.
When Raiden meets up with her at the very end of the game to hold hands and proclaim their love, I was hoping he'd sucker punch her in the womb to preempt the abominable critter of their union.
