Michael Moore - Stupid Fat White Man?

[Calanen]

There is a new book out called Michael Moore is a Stupid Fat White Man. While my view is not so far away from this, or at least calling him this (he's not stupid btw, but he is a fat white man). I'm throwing it over to the panel before I say exactly, what I think and why I think it...so the topic is:

Michael Moore - Stupid Fat White Man:

Discuss.

 

[Cole]

Well hes one of a few ten million.

 

[Calanen]

I hate Steam btw.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Moore, like a lesser Ann Coulter, is extremely successful at distracting the opposite faction from real issues with flashy stuff and tenously stretched facts sprinkled with some real facts merged with casually exaggerated 'outraged' opinionation and largely unsuccessful attempts at a comedic slant.

He's also similar to Coulter in the fact that he's doing more harm to his own cause than good by not living up to the hype he generates around his "hard-hitting, factually accurate exposing of the other faction's immorality." The end result is that any good points he might have are drowned out by all the prominently and obstensably arguable/dodgy ones, forcing his cause into a near self-defeat.

Moore differs in the fact, though, that he attracts far more focussed and heated controversy for comparatively less, with serveral films and books devoted entirely to casting him in a bad light. The controversy generated by this veritable cottage industry of media does little more than draw more intrest to Moore and fuel his media coverage and pop-culture status. They also don't do themselves any favors by attempting to parody the same flashy style and exploitation of pop-culture status they're attempting to demonize. So, in the end, Moore is kept aloft by his main detractors and neither side looks very good. This book is just a sign that this cycle's going to keep repeating itself ad nauseum.

Also, he's fat lol.

 

[johnmedz]

Kerry wouldve won if it werent for Michael Moore. We like his humor and his pizazz but he innacurately represents a party. Not all democrats are extreme liberals like moore and too many people associated the two.

 

[The Mullinator]

I agree with everything Mechagodzilla said. He does have some good points but he is hurting his own cause more than anything.

I hate him for two reasons, number one he stretches the truth and twists it to an extreme in his arguments. Number two is because anybody who is in the centre is usually drawn to the right after seeing what he does.

 

[MarcoPollo]

Yes and bashing the president is personal not having much to do with his cause....but he is a GREAT editor hehehe!

 

[Ranga]

Michael Moore is ... cool.

but he is a fat white man

nope. if u've read Dude, WHere's my Country?, then u'd know that he lost 60 pounds by eating everything that didn't have a 99% fat free label

The thing you have to except is that he is completely biased, and he knows that he is, but he's still trying to make a point, and some of what he says is true, and shocking. In farenheit 9/11, he showed some footage of the Iraq war that really changed my mind. And the bush gov wouldn't dare release that footage, so it shows that they aren't telling the whole truth.

 

[Korgoth]

Michael moore has been around an in the political arena far longer than bush jr has been in office. And moore never painted the clinton administration with a pretty picture either. Yet many republicans refuse to dredge up this little fact when discussing moore. And yes it is true that close to the end he was obviously pro kerry (or just really anti bush) but lets all think about how long it took to make the film (f911), when moore was busy directing this movie, there was no democratic candidate. Just a few things to keep in mind.

 

[MarcoPollo]

I actually liked his movie roger and me.

And the bush gov wouldn't dare release that footage, so it shows that they aren't telling the whole truth.

Uh since when has any administration told the whole truth?...

 

[Calanen]

Moore, like a lesser Ann Coulter, is extremely successful at distracting the opposite faction from real issues with flashy stuff and tenously stretched facts sprinkled with some real facts merged with casually exaggerated 'outraged' opinionation and largely unsuccessful attempts at a comedic slant.

Yeah but Anne is a hottie...so she beats Michael Moore hands down....

 

[Calanen]

nope. if u've read Dude, WHere's my Country?, then u'd know that he lost 60 pounds by eating everything that didn't have a 99% fat free label

Ok - so hes 340 lbs instead of 400. But he's still a fatass!

 

[Korgoth]

Yeah but Anne is a hottie...so she beats Michael Moore hands down....

Really? Because I think anne coultier looks like a man.... :hmph:

 

[Ranga]

Ok - so hes 340 lbs instead of 400. But he's still a fatass!

awwwww...... :|

Uh since when has any administration told the whole truth?...

uh..... u gotta point there

 

[CrazyHarij]

I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 a few days ago and I know I should take it with a grain of salt, but there was so much footage evidence of the affairs with the saudis, the horrible situation in Iraq etc, it actually made me abit worried about the future of the US and the world.. Is the end approaching?

The sad thing is that there's no objective truth here, we've only got the Bush administration propagating 100% for itself, and Moore propagating 100% against it..

 

[kmack]

There is a new book out called Michael Moore is a Stupid Fat White Man. While my view is not so far away from this, or at least calling him this (he's not stupid btw, but he is a fat white man). I'm throwing it over to the panel before I say exactly, what I think and why I think it...so the topic is:

Michael Moore - Stupid Fat White Man:

Discuss.

He is fat and white, but I hardly think it is appropriate to call him stupid. (Im sure the book author is fat and white :upstare: ). Because oyu disagree with someones opinions does not make one of you stupid (unless it is your opinion which the sun goes round the earth, in which you are stupid.)

 

[kmack]

Uh since when has any administration told the whole truth?...

You got that one dead right, but it got me thinking, how come they can get away with that so easily, just because it has been done in the past?

 

[Razor]

He is fat and white, but I hardly think it is appropriate to call him stupid. (Im sure the book author is fat and white :upstare: ). Because oyu disagree with someones opinions does not make one of you stupid (unless it is your opinion which the sun goes round the earth, in which you are stupid.)

He is a pretty smart guy, he just uses his brain for evil and not for good.

 

[KoreBolteR]

he is totally biased, yet i do agree with some of his points.............. but mostly disagree with his over the top-twisting story antics.

 

[kmack]

he is totally biased, yet i do agree with some of his points.............. but mostly disagree with his over the top-twisting story antics.

ya, its not hard to edit film to prove a point.

 

[kmack]

Not sure if this particular thread belongs in this forum. While he may be politically minded, this is a book about a film maker.

 

[willyd]

I actually loved bowling for columbine. But what is this book about? Im assuming corporate execs because thats mainly what he writes about.

 

[Absinthe]

I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 a few days ago and I know I should take it with a grain of salt, but there was so much footage evidence of the affairs with the saudis, the horrible situation in Iraq etc, it actually made me abit worried about the future of the US and the world.. Is the end approaching?

The sad thing is that there's no objective truth here, we've only got the Bush administration propagating 100% for itself, and Moore propagating 100% against it..

That's sort of how I felt. With all that smoke, there has to be some fire.

Dig deep and try to see through all the bias, and he actually does have some good valid points. Unfortunately, their impact is lessened by everything else he does.

 

[jondy]

The only thing that seperates him from Coulter or O'reilly is the fact that he doesn't incite hatred.

Apart from that, they're all essentially from the same mould

 

[Razor]

The only thing that seperates him from Coulter or O'reilly is the fact that he doesn't incite hatred.

Apart from that, they're all essentially from the same mould

Yes he does, he incites hatred of Bush and the US administration, he incites anti war protests, etc.

 

[Gray Fox]

Yes he does, he incites hatred of Bush and the US administration, he incites anti war protests, etc.

I tought the fact that the war was fought about oil incited the demonstrations, michael more just exposed it to a large majority of people.

 

[el Chi]

The man's an expert propagandist and no mistake. A lot of people, somewhat ill-advisedly, take his word as gospel when really what one ought to do is watch with more than a pinch of salt. That said, he has a lot of good points to make, as long as you keep that salt in mind (where the f*ck did that phrase come from!?) and it annoys me when people dislike him mainly on principle and refuse to listen to the good points he makes and merely focussing on the bad ones. They then procede to tell anyone who'll listen just how biased and closed-minded he is.


If someone could explain exactly what his weight has to do with anything, I'd be most grateful.

 

[CptStern]

ah the right wing hate-double-speak

"I hate him cuz he's fat!" I hate him because he tells white little lies unlike the great leader of this great country who's true of character and larger than life"



funny how no right winger will touch Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky ...too much of a challenge I guess

 

[GhostFox]

I agree with everything Mechagodzilla said. He does have some good points but he is hurting his own cause more than anything.

I agree. Sometimes he has a good point but he kills it by then going off on some crazy tangent.

On a side note, many Canadians find him especially offensive because he basically lies and presents a totally false view of Canada in his movies. It has never really bothered me too much, because everyone does that, but my fiance's very liberal parents absolutely cannot stand the man after watching bowling for columbine.

 

[GhostFox]

funny how no right winger will touch Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky ...too much of a challenge I guess

I thought everyone was ignoring these guys simply because it is assumed they will soon be in a mental institution where they can get the help they need.

 

[Razor]

I tought the fact that the war was fought about oil incited the demonstrations, michael more just exposed it to a large majority of people.

Through one sided propaganda, he is just as bad as Bush interms of the lies. The actually reality is probably more down the middle then leaning to either side of Bush or Moore.

 

[Scoobnfl]

Moore, like a lesser Ann Coulter,

explain this please.

are you attempting to say Moore is less succesful/recognized than Koulter?

 

[Calanen]

Really? Because I think anne coultier looks like a man....

Dude is your prescription regularly updated on your glasses? She may not share your political views - but she doesn't look like a man.

http://www.anncoulter.org/

See what other people think. I think shes a hot blonde chick myself.

 

[Calanen]

I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 a few days ago and I know I should take it with a grain of salt, but there was so much footage evidence of the affairs with the saudis, the horrible situation in Iraq etc, it actually made me abit worried about the future of the US and the world.. Is the end approaching?

There was an interesting site I saw, which had what Michael Moore put on his website demonstrating, apparently, that everything he said in Fahrenheit 9/11 was true, and here's why. He edited out the bits he did not like in the Commission into 9/11 report. http://moorecommission.8m.com/

Make no mistake - Michael Moore is for teh win on the Left side. He will make up whatever he needs to, edit documents, lie - to tear down the USA and its government. There are two sides of any story, I accept that. But Moore's list of deceits and half-truths is miles long....

But I did like what Chris Rock had to say at the Oscars:

Some of the best movies of the year, no one wanted to make. One of the best movies of the year was Fahrenheit 9/11. Not nominated for an Oscar. Right now, Michael Moore's going "I shoulda made Super Size Me. I did the research."

 

[CptStern]

moore made the mistake of not entering F911 as best documentary, instead he chose to run for best picture ...didnt take a genius to see that there was no way Oscar was going to allow another bfc win speech like last time around. That's ok, he won the far more prestigious Cannes Palme d'or and the Director's guild of america award

 

[ComradeBadger]

Do I like him? Not especially.

Do I think he has some good points? Yes.


Just becuase I disagree with someone's views, doesn't mean that I think they're stupid :|

 

[GhostFox]

moore made the mistake of not entering F911 as best documentary

I don't know how they could have let him run it in Best Doc even if he wanted too. Documentaries are supposed to be fact based. I don't think mocumentaries are allowed in the category, but I could be wrong.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

explain this please.

are you attempting to say Moore is less succesful/recognized than Koulter?

I meant less bad. QFE what jondyfun said, to a degree:

The only thing that seperates him from Coulter or O'reilly is the fact that he doesn't incite hatred.

And Moore does use facts, as his extensive list of sources shows.
The trouble comes because he doesn't use them properly.
He too readily grabs onto any facts that superficially support his opinion, when proper analysis would have come up with a multitude of flaws.

The biggest example of this is the "Fox news rigged the election" segment of F9/11. It's easy to see how he could have come to that conclusion, but we all know that he should have looked closer at the facts and made sure his argument was solid.

Like comradebadger though, I do agree that he has some excellent points about other things. Like his criticism of the culture of fear that has overtaken the world, from that same movie.
Basically, he works best when a simple commentary is all that's needed. He just doesn't know how to evaluate something in-depth or back himself up with facts. He apparently just assumes that he needs a single newspaper headline as backup, and that's just not good enough when you're so far into the political spotlight.

I'm really hoping the sequel to F9/11 has more of the good, solid stuff and less of the conspiracy theory nonsense. But I dunno if it'll turn out that way. Moore just loves the controversy too much. What he doesn't realise is that with a bit more care, he wouldn't need to be controversial.

 

[Calanen]

Interestingly, Moore goes off the deep end if any1 comes to his offices with cameras or a bull horn. A question of Do As I Say, Not As I Do.

But such hypocrisy is par for the course, in the wacky wacky world of the loony left.

 

[OCybrManO]

Interestingly, Moore goes off the deep end if any1 comes to his offices with cameras or a bull horn. A question of Do As I Say, Not As I Do.

But such hypocrisy is par for the course, in the wacky wacky world of the loony left.

If irony was the official currency you'd be rich.

They were all having a nice, civil discourse until you came in... now who knows what will happen? You're certainly not painting a good picture of your side by being the first to "go off the deep end" (in your own words). Walk out, take a deep breath, leave your bias at the door (if you can find a container big enough for it), and then come back to the discussion.

Anyway, I agree with the general consensus that if he stuck to facts instead of stretching them to their breaking point he would have better results.