Mission Accomplished?

[KoreBolteR]

you read the national archives article and all of the attached documents? there are literally hundreds of them ...wow you must be an exceptional speed reader

wow stern, id be replying in 2006 if u wanted me to read them all

 

[CptStern]

well ok then just read the bulk of the article and the first 2 documents from 1953

 

[shumlya4012]

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[GiaOmerta]

The war is unjustifiable, the costs outweight the benefits, the freedom and democracy will be shaky when/if established and will be unable to stand alone, the insurgents are too powerful, their tactics too good. It's ok, the US loses lots of wars/conflicts.

I agree. The citizens of Iraq they were better off living under Saddam's regime. How dear the United States invade the republic of Iraq and dethrone it's president. Indeed the insurgents are too powerful. The US forces are nothing compared to the Ak-47s, VBIEDs, mortars and RPGs used by the glorious 'insurgence' the liberators of an oppressed Iraq.

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[Bodacious]

The war is unjustifiable, the costs outweight the benefits, the freedom and democracy will be shaky when/if established and will be unable to stand alone, the insurgents are too powerful, their tactics too good. It's ok, the US loses lots of wars/conflicts.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, but I respect them for their devotion to their ideals and support for the war, but it is misplaced.

Thank goodness for people who voted for Bush and thank goodness for the British who will re-elect Tony Blair.

These are the people who history will remember, who stood up to terrorism and resisted socialistic change.

Thank goodness for majority rule.

 

[Bodacious]

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[GiaOmerta]

Funding a two week invasion followed by a two + year occupation -- $165,000,000,000 & 2,000 American lives.

Liberating an oppressed Iraq -- Priceless

 

[Kebean PFC]

The sad thing is, is no one is open to ideals anymore. We have all closed ourselves off to new information, and changing times. Maybe if we were all a little bit more open minded, and stoped spouting the same political BS and anti-BS the whole time we could see other sides of the arguement.

 

[Tr0n]

The sad thing is, is no one is open to ideals anymore. We have all closed ourselves off to new information, and changing times. Maybe if we were all a little bit more open minded, and stoped spouting the same political BS and anti-BS the whole time we could see other sides of the arguement.

Well sadly that ain't gonna happen for a long long long time.

Especially in this forum.

Some people...like me are open minded to them and I know there is others, but the left and right sides are so extreme everyone tends to focus on them.

 

[CptStern]

Funding a two week invasion followed by a two + year occupation -- $165,000,000,000 & 2,000 American lives.

Liberating an oppressed Iraq -- Priceless

again ...too bad hundreds of thousands of iraqis had to die to achieve "democracy"

..yay! all hail the conquerors! they brought us freedom ..too bad 500,000 children had to die for it ...but at least we're free to walk the streets and do as we please ...right?"

 

[seinfeldrules]

again ...too bad hundreds of thousands of iraqis had to die to achieve "democracy"

Why did you put it in quotation marks?

 

[CptStern]

you know perfectly well why I did that ..same reason I put quotations when I write fox"news"

 

[seinfeldrules]

How is it not a democracy?

 

[CptStern]

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oh look a new generation of iraqi children ...hmmm I didnt think the child population would have bounced back so fast ...seeing as how 500,000 of them were left to die in the most horrible and dispicable ways ...thanks america :thumbs:

 

[Tr0n]

oh look a new generation of iraqi children ...hmmm I didnt think the child population would have bounced back so fast ...seeing as how 500,000 of them were left to die in the most horrible and dispicable ways ...thanks america :thumbs:

You're welcome!

 

[CptStern]

the funny thing is that if saddam had killed 500,000 american children, iraq would be a smoldering crater by now

 

[Tr0n]

the funny thing is that if saddam had killed 500,000 american children, iraq would be a smoldering crater by now

Hmmmm...okai.

/me nods his head like he cares but actually he doesn't give a damn and walks off

I joke I joke.

 

[GiaOmerta]

..too bad 500,000 children had to die for it

When? Where? How and Why?

 

[CptStern]

I've posted the evidence a million times ..just read this

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/declassdocs/dia/19950901/950901_511rept_91.html

 

[GiaOmerta]

I googled it. Came up with:

UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500000 Iraqi Children
... UN Says Sanctions Have Killed Some 500000 Iraqi Children. BAGHDAD - A senior UN official said Friday about half a million children under the age of 5 ...
www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm - 5k - Cached - Similar pages

I skimmed though the article briefly (kind of busy), what caused these declines Stern?

 

[CptStern]

US Rep. Tony P. Hall


"Holds on contracts for the water and sanitation sector are a prime reason for the increases in sickness and death. Of the 18 contracts, all but one hold was placed by the U.S. Government. The contracts are for purification chemicals, chlorinators, chemical dosing pumps, water tankers, and other equipment."

"...I support the Administration's decision to maintain sanctions on Iraq," he added. "However, in the absence of compelling security information, I cannot in good conscience back a policy of contract holds that inflicts so much suffering on innocent people."

 

[Calanen]

the funny thing is that if saddam had killed 500,000 american children, iraq would be a smoldering crater by now

Perhaps - but you would still say America did it and not Saddam. Im betting that just one of his palaces could have fixed a lot of broken water pumps.

 

[CptStern]

Perhaps - but you would still say America did it and not Saddam. Im betting that just one of his palaces could have fixed a lot of broken water pumps.

not possible with the US putting holds on parts that were essential to rebuilding the water treatment plants (look above your last post) ...but then again saddam is/was a murdering tyrant bastard ....what's the US' excuse?

 

[Bodacious]

not possible with the US putting holds on parts that were essential to rebuilding the water treatment plants (look above your last post) ...but then again saddam is/was a murdering tyrant bastard ....what's the US' excuse?

France and russia were happy to sell him weapons during sanctions, I bet theywould have been happy to sell him those parts.

 

[Calanen]

not possible with the US putting holds on parts that were essential to rebuilding the water treatment plants (look above your last post) ...but then again saddam is/was a murdering tyrant bastard ....what's the US' excuse?

He smuggled billions in oil and could have brought into Iraq whatever he wanted, and did - and I can guarantee that Saddam and his army had clean water. Murdering tyrant bastard who should have been left in power AND had no sanctions against his regime according to you.

 

[KoreBolteR]

saddam was going to get more powerful, even more rich, even more dangerous if america didnt step in. lucky they did, or we'd have the next hitler on our hands.

 

[CptStern]

He smuggled billions in oil and could have brought into Iraq whatever he wanted, and did - and I can guarantee that Saddam and his army had clean water. Murdering tyrant bastard who should have been left in power AND had no sanctions against his regime according to you.

ya too bad those 500,000 children died BEFORE the oil-for-food program was started ...why do you think it was implemented in the first place?

 

[clarky003]

you cant stop the war now, USG needs the profit from the war machine to strengthen the economy

 

[kmack]

you cant stop the war now, USG needs the profit from the war machine to strengthen the economy

we are too far in, if we leave it would ruin what remaining relations we have with other governments. Iraq can't stand on its own yet, and not for a long time, as the events of the past 2 weeks have shows, the insurgency is going as strong as ever, but dont tell that to the people in here.

 

[CptStern]

the US is building the worlds largest embassy in bagdad ...as their center of operations for the middle east ...you're not going anywhere anytime soon

 

[kmack]

Funding a two week invasion followed by a two + year occupation -- $165,000,000,000 & 2,000 American lives.

Liberating an oppressed Iraq -- Priceless

as long as you arent one of the 2,000 , or paying for it.

 

[GiaOmerta]

If the Corps sends me to Iraq. Then I might be one the of the 2,000. Personally, I rather go to Korea and fight the commies, but either one will do.

 

[kmack]

If the Corps sends me to Iraq. Then I might be one the of the 2,000. Personally, I rather go to Korea and fight the commies, but either one will do.

is this your way of saying, no im not one of the 2000 troops who have paid with my life? this hypothetical situation? can the sh*t i dont care if you MIGHT be one of the 2000, i MIGHT be the crown prince of england, but im not.

:thumbs:

 

[Kebean PFC]

But since he is actually going there and you are not, this means he has a higher chance of becoming one of the 2000 dead.

 

[Sprafa]

But since he is actually going there and you are not, this means he has a higher chance of becoming one of the 2000 dead.

and the 10 000 wounded...

 

[kmack]

But since he is actually going there and you are not, this means he has a higher chance of becoming one of the 2000 dead.

he is actually going there? stop making shit up.

and who says im not?

I have yet to see anyone say that the mission in Iraq is accomplished (which is what htis is about, bush standing on an aircraft carrier under a banner saying mission accomplished, yet another lie.).

 

[Kebean PFC]

If the Corps sends me to Iraq

Can you read?

 

[bliink]

This thread is beyond derailed.

Its just another flamefest now.