Mojave Desert race leaves 8 killed and 12 injured

[Raziaar]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100815/ap_on_sp_ot/us_off_road_crash_deaths

An off-road truck plowed into a crowd and scattered "bodies everywhere" moments after sailing off a jump at a California race, killing eight people and injuring 12 others, authorities and witnesses said.

"When I got up to the vehicle I could tell that several people were trapped. There were just bodies everywhere," he said. "One woman with a major head wound (was) lying in a pool of blood. Someone else was crushed beneath the car."

The truck came to a rest upside down with its oversized wheels pointing toward the sky, dust swirling in the meek light of the setting sun. Spectators rushed to the truck and about half a dozen people flipped it upright to try to help at least one person pinned underneath.

Officials said the driver wasn't hurt but had to flee the scene to escape angry spectators.

Terrible shit. Maybe people shouldn't... well... stand right next to the god damn track? Why do they do that anyway? Does it give you a rush? I mean, sooner or later you're going to get hit.

 

[Ravioli]

Am i the only one who wants to watch the video?

 

[FrostedxB]

Theres a video here - http://www.ems1.com/mass-casualty-i...-12-injured-at-off-road-race-in-Calif-desert/

Article also says that there were no barriers to help protect spectators. Aren't these races supposed to have something up to keep people back?

 

[Ravioli]

I mean a video showing the actual crash.

 

[Ren.182]

Theres a video here - http://www.ems1.com/mass-casualty-i...-12-injured-at-off-road-race-in-Calif-desert/

Article also says that there were no barriers to help protect spectators. Aren't these races supposed to have something up to keep people back?

Don't they usually just have a few sticks in the ground with some tape going between them?

Kinda silly to stand so close to a jump, I mean anything could go wrong especially when the trucks are trying to go as fast as they can. Sooner or later one is gonna mess up his jump/landing.

Pretty bad the driver had to flee, not like it's entirely his fault. Unless he deliberately aimed for the crowd, which I doubt.

 

[Krynn72]

Pretty bad the driver had to flee, not like it's entirely his fault. Unless he deliberately aimed for the crowd, which I doubt.

Makes me thing of this guy. "Oh shit, I gotta get outta here!"

 

[Raziaar]

Theres a video here - http://www.ems1.com/mass-casualty-i...-12-injured-at-off-road-race-in-Calif-desert/

Article also says that there were no barriers to help protect spectators. Aren't these races supposed to have something up to keep people back?

The people are the barriers. I've seen so many races where the spectators pretty much line every turn of the course.

I was wondering why they did that. Is the thrill worth the chance of death?


I mean... the ****ing GALL to threaten the driver and throw rocks at the driver when IT IS YOUR FAULT FOR STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE ****ING TRACK. JESUS ****ING CHRIST PEOPLE.

 

[MJ12]

That driver has to live with the fact that he killed 8 people and ruined the lives of their relatives. He'll get the heat, because everyone wants to blame someone else, unfortunately, but it's not his fault; he was doing his job, which is racing.

The real people to blame are the ****ing morons who felt it was a good idea to stand within 10 feet of the track with their child.

 

[Raziaar]

That driver has to live with the fact that he killed 8 people and ruined the lives of their relatives. He'll get the heat, because everyone wants to blame someone else, unfortunately, but it's not his fault; he was doing his job, which is racing.

The real people to blame are the ****ing morons who felt it was a good idea to stand within 10 feet of the track with their child.

Yep. How can he control the fact that people want to stand right on the curvature of the track when they're drifting around a bend or taking a jump.

Anybody who has seen those videos knows what I'm talking about. You could reach out and touch the car as it's drifting around the bend.

It's definitely a tragedy, all the lives lost... but they shouldn't be taking their anger out on the driver at all. He lost control of the vehicle, but that should only endanger himself and remove him from the race... not kill people. The people who stand so close to the track have to take responsibility for the deaths.

 

[Rossell]

Must admit the reports of the driver having to flee might be fabricated. Conflicting sources on that one, some say he had stones thrown at him, some say he was walking in a daze, shaking in disbelief at what had just happened.



Sad shit overall.

 

[Solaris]

Must admit the reports of the driver having to flee might be fabricated. Conflicting sources on that one, some say he had stones thrown at him, some say he was walking in a daze, shaking in disbelief at what had just happened.



Sad shit overall.

Yeah I here he deserted his car.



Took me ten minutes and thats the best I could think of.

 

[knut]

Yeah I here he deserted his car.



Took me ten minutes and thats the best I could think of.

should of spent that ten minutes proof reading your post

 

[Warped]

This is probably the stupidest way to die. What those dumb people should have done was line their bodies under the jump instead. No seriously how ****ing close do you need to stand near a 100mph moving tank?? These trucks probably weight 2500lbs or more. I do not feel sorry at all and its depressing to know people die for the stupidest things.

 

[Gargantou]

I mean a video showing the actual crash.

What the **** do you want that for?

You ask for videos of a person being bullied in another thread, now you want a video of the crash, I'm beginning to seriously ****ing wonder if you get some sort of ****ing stimulation or turn-on from other peoples misery!

Honestly, if you like watching tragic deaths and shit like that, which it seems you do, I recommend you go to Flashback, since you're Swedish, https://www.flashback.org/

It's basically one of those forums that claims to protect free speech by allowing everything except childporn(because when they did that they got the police after them), oughta be right up your ****ing alley.

 

[Warped]

What the **** do you want that for?

You ask for videos of a person being bullied in another thread, now you want a video of the crash, I'm beginning to seriously ****ing wonder if you get some sort of ****ing stimulation or turn-on from other peoples misery!

So.....do you have the video or not??

:taps foot:

 

[Rossell]

What the **** do you want that for?

You ask for videos of a person being bullied in another thread, now you want a video of the crash, I'm beginning to seriously ****ing wonder if you get some sort of ****ing stimulation or turn-on from other peoples misery!

I think its called trolling dude.

 

[Gargantou]

I think its called trolling dude.

Err, it isn't, he sincerely asked for videos of a person being bullied and harassed repeatedly in another thread, which he was given, now he's asking for films of peoples deaths.

You'd be surprised how many people I run into that are into seeing people die etc, I honestly believe if snuff films were legal there'd be a ****ing massive industry for it out there.

As sad as it is.

 

[Krynn72]

What the **** do you want that for?

You ask for videos of a person being bullied in another thread, now you want a video of the crash, I'm beginning to seriously ****ing wonder if you get some sort of ****ing stimulation or turn-on from other peoples misery!

Honestly, if you like watching tragic deaths and shit like that, which it seems you do, I recommend you go to Flashback, since you're Swedish, https://www.flashback.org/

It's basically one of those forums that claims to protect free speech by allowing everything except childporn(because when they did that they got the police after them), oughta be right up your ****ing alley.

As if you wouldn't watch the video if someone posted it here. People are entertained by the spectacular. Death like this is spectacular. You see and read stories/videos of people getting shot/killed/hurt all the time on the internet and TV. Why else do you think murders and shootings get so much air time on the news? Why else did you click on this thread after reading the title? It not sick or a turn on, its just human curiosity, and you're just being hypocritical because you'd watch the video too if it was posted here.

 

[StarBob]

Sounds like they just need more trees...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYFxSilcqgs

edit: Wow the driver had to be rushed from the scene to avoid being mobbed? "Hey we're too stupid to be further from a ton of flying steel going 75mph, we'd better go after the guy who didn't perfectly control it!" It's still tragic but, come on... it's not like the driver said "hey I'd better try and run everyone over..."

 

[Gargantou]

As if you wouldn't watch the video if someone posted it here. People are entertained by the spectacular. Death like this is spectacular. You see and read stories/videos of people getting shot/killed/hurt all the time on the internet and TV. Why else do you think murders and shootings get so much air time on the news? Why else did you click on this thread after reading the title? It not sick or a turn on, its just human curiosity, and you're just being hypocritical because you'd watch the video too if it was posted here.

They don't generally air videos of people getting shot/killed/hurt on TV over here, not non-fictional ones anyway.

And no, I wouldn't. I've never for example watched the video of that American I've heard about who gets his throat cut on camera by Talibans, even though I've been linked it many times.

I find the world terrible enough without watching other real individuals terrible deaths. I've done it once, when I was a stupid kid, not something I wish to do again, the video I saw in that case was an old video from the US, some politician was holding a press conference then shot himself in the head, that image is etched in my mind since, I do not need any more.

Heck, I can't even stand watching movies like Saw etc.

 

[Raziaar]

As if you wouldn't watch the video if someone posted it here. People are entertained by the spectacular. Death like this is spectacular. You see and read stories/videos of people getting shot/killed/hurt all the time on the internet and TV. Why else do you think murders and shootings get so much air time on the news? Why else did you click on this thread after reading the title? It not sick or a turn on, its just human curiosity, and you're just being hypocritical because you'd watch the video too if it was posted here.

I dunno man. I wouldn't watch it. Videos where people die affect me terribly.

This article comes to mind for me.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article5483397.ece


"What I am, however, is host to something that will never leave. It made me realise that you should take great care in what you choose - often in a cavalier moment - to place in your memory, because some things will sit there for ever, like a bad seed; like a shadow on the moon; like a crow on a fence in a dream.

A very tiny part of me now, and will always, consist of an elderly man dying in a wood in Ukraine."

 

[FrostedxB]

Idk where it can be found, but there is a spectator video of the crash floating around somewhere. - http://www.ems1.com/mass-casualty-i...tator-video-shows-truck-barreling-into-crowd/

 

[Krynn72]

And you're just being arrogant thinking you have all of humanity figured out. In fact, I find your user-title very fitting.

No shit, thats why I have it.

But its quite obvious that people have a fascination with death. I'm not the one who "figured it out." Explain to me why the media focuses on tragedy when reporting the "news". Explain to me why gladiators existed. Explain to me why sports like boxing exist. Explain to me why middle aged white women crave information about local shootings. Just this month here there was some guy who got fired and shot up the place, and its all anybody in this town has talked about for the past three weeks. Instead of talking about the weather, or about their kids, the small talk became "you hear about the guy who shot up the place in Manchester?"

Take the moral high ground all you want, I'm not arguing the morality of it. But the fact remains that death IS intriguing to people, and people always want to know more about it. If there was security footage of the shooting I'd wager my $3000 computer that it would have been aired on the news and people would have ate that shit up.

 

[Ravioli]

No, i dont get a "kick" out of it, im not some kind of sick pshyco. For example, i cant watch the video in the "excessive force" thread, even though that should be way easier to watch than a video of 8 people dying in an accident. So why do i want to see it? Because it makes me angry to know that people die in such ways that are easily avoidable, and therefore i want to see the entire thing so i can try to understand how something like this happened in the first place. Saying "they stood to close" doesnt do enough for me, and it wouldnt do enough in an investigation in most cases. I want to see exactly what happened so i can understand it 100%.

I dont sit here and go "OOHH YEAH HE HIT THEM RIGHT ON OMG THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL, JUST LOOK AT THEM DYING HAHAHHA". I have this thing where i always try to imagine myself in other peoples position. I want to see the video because i want to TRY and emulate the feelings of those who were actually there. Seeing a few pictures of the aftermath does not do enough justice, i need to see or "relive" the entire thing in order to fully experience a glimps of what it would be like if i was there.

I would also be lying to say that there isnt some form of entertainment lurking in the back. Why do you think break.com pays you 600-800 dollars for videos of accidents or of people hurting themselves? Because people wants to see that shit, its a huge business.

 

[Gargantou]

No shit, thats why I have it.

But its quite obvious that people have a fascination with death. I'm not the one who "figured it out." Explain to me why the media focuses on tragedy when reporting the "news". Explain to me why gladiators existed. Explain to me why sports like boxing exist. Explain to me why middle aged white women crave information about local shootings. Just this month here there was some guy who got fired and shot up the place, and its all anybody in this town has talked about for the past three weeks. Instead of talking about the weather, or about their kids, the small talk became "you hear about the guy who shot up the place in Manchester?"

Take the moral high ground all you want, I'm not arguing the morality of it. But the fact remains that death IS intriguing to people, and people always want to know more about it. If there was security footage of the shooting I'd wager my $3000 computer that it would have been aired on the news and people would have ate that shit up.

Talking about a catastrophe is not the same as watching it or wanting to watch it.

I've heard people talk about child rape, does that mean that these people automatically want to watch a video of a child getting raped?

Seems to by what you state.

To me there's a distinct difference between talking about an event, and wanting to see said event with your own eyes.

 

[Raziaar]

Saying "they stood to close" doesnt do enough for me, and it wouldnt do enough in an investigation in most cases. I want to see exactly what happened so i can understand it 100%.

Though in this situation... "they stood too close" is entirely the cause. It's so simple and so tragic. If these people were behind a barrier or at least a good distance away from the track, they would have been fine... but they were simply too close. I don't even have to see the video to know it for a fact... people at races like that literally become the edges of the road. You could reach out while you're drifting a corner and give a dude a high five they're so close.

 

[FrostedxB]

Video (if you want to watch, its not graphic but you guys seem ready to kill each other over this. Tbh, I was curious as to how he lost control, and I saw.) - http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=7611179

Edit: Why the **** are they standing THAT close? The drivers literally had NO room for mistakes, and one was made.

 

[Krynn72]

Talking about a catastrophe is not the same as watching it or wanting to watch it.

I've heard people talk about child rape, does that mean that these people automatically want to watch a video of a child getting raped?

Seems to by what you state.

To me there's a distinct difference between talking about an event, and wanting to see said event with your own eyes.

People have different tolerances for the level of violence or gore in a story. Same with watching a video. I agree that just because someone talks about it doesn't mean they want to see it, but there still is a level at which they would. Accidents are the most common it seems, because theres no malicious intent, no prolonged anguish, it all happens in a split second. TrueTV has multiple long running tv series' just for this sort of "entertainment."

People will want to know as much information as they can tolerate. It doesn't matter if their tolerance is at the level where they don't want to see someone get kicked in the balls, or they don't want to see someone get their throat cut. A person's tolerance for such things doesn't mean they get a kick out of it. It means nothing more than they can stomach more than others. My point is that ALL people have a morbid curiosity, and just because people can delve further without feeling nauseous doesn't mean they pop a boner while watching it.


EDIT: Oh look! A Mainstream news outlet broadcasts the video on national television! WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED?!

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Image in OP link looks like a pretty awesome painting...

 

[Warped]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/15/california.racing.deaths/index.html?hpt=C1

side view of the crash

oops someone posted a similar link

 

[PvtRyan]

I dunno man. I wouldn't watch it. Videos where people die affect me terribly.

This article comes to mind for me.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article5483397.ece


"What I am, however, is host to something that will never leave. It made me realise that you should take great care in what you choose - often in a cavalier moment - to place in your memory, because some things will sit there for ever, like a bad seed; like a shadow on the moon; like a crow on a fence in a dream.

A very tiny part of me now, and will always, consist of an elderly man dying in a wood in Ukraine."

This. I have no trouble finding great enjoyment in plowing my car through crowds of people in GTA4, marveling at how their bodies tumble over it, but videos of real people dying? I can't watch them, ever.

 

[Gargantou]

EDIT: Oh look! A Mainstream news outlet broadcasts the video on national television! WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED?!

Look, I'm just a depressed idiot whose only way to keep myself from sinking into even deeper depressions is to keep telling myself that there are good people out there that do not want to see a video of a person getting their throat slit by another etc.

I admit I am a hypocrite since I've for example seen videos of F1 drivers dying, and whilst I didn't do it for enjoyment, it did captivate me.

I know it's a basic human instinct to be captivated by accidents and such, I just wish it wasn't, it's a part of me too and it disgusts me, so I try to deny it because I hate so much about myself already I don't need even more to hate.

And now I'm gonna get a reputation as an emo on here.

 

[Rossell]

Err, it isn't, he sincerely asked for videos of a person being bullied and harassed repeatedly in another thread, which he was given, now he's asking for films of peoples deaths.

You'd be surprised how many people I run into that are into seeing people die etc, I honestly believe if snuff films were legal there'd be a ****ing massive industry for it out there.

As sad as it is.

Fair enough I haven't read the other thread.

I like to watch videos of people getting completely and utterly owned (not killed) but only the condition that they really invited the ensuing ownage. Stuff thats unfair and where people get killed is something I'm not after.

Its why I read news rather then watch news half the time.

To try and rerail the thread though, you gotta admit it needs barriers and some sort of marshalling that actually works. I'm sure people can still enjoy the event standing a way back.

 

[Krynn72]

Look, I just can't accept the fact that all humans are innately drawn to violence and death because I desperately need to hold onto the idea that there are some genuinely good people out there that get no pleasure out of other people's suffering and despair.

And I apologize for not being man enough to admit I'm a hypocrite asshole from the beginning.

Again, it has nothing to do with "pleasure." Its called rubbernecking and our morbid curiosity in general. Its not that people take pleasure from it. In fact, people could very much regret ever seeing it. Everyone has cases where they wish they didn't look at something. It has NOTHING to do with pleasure.

 

[Raziaar]

Again, it has nothing to do with "pleasure." Its called rubbernecking and has to do with our morbid curiosity. Its not that people take pleasure from it. In fact, people could very much regret ever seeing it. Everyone has cases where they wish they didn't look at something. It has NOTHING to do with pleasure.

Though for some like me, we get one taste of it and we're turned off forever... whereas others, the morbid curiosity grows, and becomes sort of insatiable. I just can never understand that sort of infatuation.

 

[Ravioli]

oh and for the record, i wanted the vids of the guy getting bullied because i wanted to see the bullies themself, to see how some people can actually be that evil where they want to cause harm upon someone else. Its baffling to me, and thats why i wanted to see it with my own eyes.

I see now how you can have miss-enterpeted my requests as some kind of entertainment.

 

[Gargantou]

Again, it has nothing to do with "pleasure." Its called rubbernecking and our morbid curiosity in general. Its not that people take pleasure from it. In fact, people could very much regret ever seeing it. Everyone has cases where they wish they didn't look at something. It has NOTHING to do with pleasure.

Some people do take pleasure, I was riding the bus back in April, a bunch of teenage boys looking around 14-15 years old get on, they start talking about this video they found on the internet of a young kid being hit by a speeding car, and how much they loved to watch it, they described it all in great detail, the actually outright laughed when talking about it, that shit made me feel physically ill, not just the detailed description, but the laughing and joking about it, and one of them actually saying "I love watching videos like that."

So, there are some that do take pleasure.

 

[Krynn72]

Though for some like me, we get one taste of it and we're turned off forever... whereas others, the morbid curiosity grows, and becomes sort of insatiable. I just can never understand that sort of infatuation.

Infatuations of any type are generally irrational. People with such infatuations probably don't understand it themselves. But it doesn't really reflect anything about their personality or morality.

Some people do take pleasure, I was riding the bus back in April, a bunch of teenage boys looking around 14-15 years old get on, they start talking about this video they found on the internet of a young kid being hit by a speeding car, and how much they loved to watch it, they described it all in great detail, the actually outright laughed when talking about it, that shit made me feel physically ill, not just the detailed description, but the laughing and joking about it, and one of them actually saying "I love watching videos like that."

So, there are some that do take pleasure.

Oh, I don't deny that some people do. I used to work with a sick **** who printed out pictures of people who were in car accidents and show them to people. The day he came up to me smiling and excited while showing me pictures of a motorcyclist with his skull caved in is the day I stopped talking to him altogether.

Doesn't mean that the majority of people with an interest are like that though.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

After seeing exactly how the crowd is in vicinity to the trucks, I have to conclude with one final pair of words: natural selection.

 

[Warped]

Infatuations of any type are generally irrational. People with such infatuations probably don't understand it themselves. But it doesn't really reflect anything about their personality or morality.



Oh, I don't deny that some people do. I used to work with a sick **** who printed out pictures of people who were in car accidents and show them to people. The day he came up to me smiling and excited while showing me pictures of a motorcyclist with his skull caved in is the day I stopped talking to him altogether.

Doesn't mean that the majority of people with an interest are like that though.

those kinda people are sick. but asking for the video is kinda different in todays world. I think most people who were there but couldn't see the accident probably wanted to see what the hell went on. same thing for online, since everything is becoming more and more connected, its just a curiosity because we knew something went wrong but we just have to watch. Take 9-11 for instance, people just had to keep watching it over and over again and it kept getting crammed into our brains. every station was covering it and it got seared into our heads. its just how America is I guess. We're fed this need to watch obscene stuff; Jerry Springer, midget porn, explosions, what have you, and we are trained to do so too.