More allegations of US soldiers murdering/raping civilians

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yahoo said:
Five U.S. Army soldiers are being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman, then killing her and three members of her family in
Iraq, a U.S. military official said Friday ...The soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of assaulting in the March incident ...a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and been arrested ...... The killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," the official said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.
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****ing animals ..they'll get a slap on the wrist nothing more ...they should get the death penalty (I dont agree but that's the law)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060630/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_soldiers_investigated
 
Well one soldier admitted it and probably told them about his buddies so I don't think they'll just be getting a slap on the wrist.
 
almost every other case of US soldiers murdering civilians ended with a slap on the wrist I dont see why this is any different


from another post I made in another thread (dont mind the harsh language I was talking to gh0st):


45 days for murder, yup that's justice for you

"A soldier who admitted executing a wounded Iraqi teenager received three years in prison. Co-defendant Staff Sgt. Cardenas J. Alban was convicted of murder in the same case and given a one-year sentence"


"A prisoner died after being dragged out of his holding cell by the neck, stripped naked and left outside for seven hours. The Marine major who commanded the facility was convicted of dereliction of duty and maltreatment and dismissed from the service."


"Pfc. Edward L. Richmond Jr., a Schofield Barracks soldier who shot an unarmed cowherder in the back of the head, yesterday became the first U.S. soldier convicted in the death of an Iraqi civilian ..sentenced to three years in jail and dishonorably discharged from the Army."


"US soldier Glendale Wells was sentenced Wednesday to two months in prison by a military court for his role in abusing an Afghan detainee known as Dilawar, who died in December 2002 at Bagram Control Point"


"Lewis E. Welshofer ..convicted of the torture death of an Iraqi prisoner on November 23 2003, ...Welshofer could have faced a dishonorable discharge as well as up to 39 months in prison, but received only 60 days of barrack confinement and he was ordered to forfeit 6,000 US$ in salary"



justice my ass

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7200520/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1438751,00.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050605-wartime-prosecutions.htm
 
this sounds very much like what the US army did in vietnam to the civilians.
 
Ick. Yeah, I just read this too. Not entirely surprising unfortunately, but sickening nonetheless. This war is getting uglier by the second and still no one really knows what the heck we are planning to do there! What a mess!!! Maybe after Israel gets done with cleaning up their mess they can help us with ours! (Don't take that last comment seriously folks.)
 
CptStern said:
no:
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Yes, but you wanted these people to be executed just because that's the current law. Does that mean that women in Sudan/Saudi Arabia/Iran should be executed/tortured for having sex outside marrige? Coz that's what the law says...
 
sigh ..monkey I not talking about women in the sudan, or saudi arabia or whathaveyou

the law in the US is that war crimes = death penalty ..mentioning that it is the law does NOT equal supporting it
 
War Crimes should really be dealt with by the International Court.
 
CptStern said:
sigh ..monkey I not talking about women in the sudan, or saudi arabia or whathaveyou

the law in the US is that war crimes = death penalty ..mentioning that it is the law does NOT equal supporting it
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You didn't just mention it was the law, you also said they should get the death penalty.

CptStern said:
...they should get the death penalty
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How can you be against the death penalty but think these soldiers should get it? So you're playing both sides of the fence by giving this anti-death penalty stance while secretly hoping these guys get the death penalty. Either you're being two faced or I fail to see the logic.
 
Zeus said:
You didn't just mention it was the law, you also said they should get the death penalty.
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yes they should because warcrime = death penalty ....still doesnt mean I support it



Zeus said:
How can you be against the death penalty but think these soldiers should get it? So you're playing both sides of the fence by giving this anti-death penalty stance while secretly hoping these guys get the death penalty. Either you're being two faced or I fail to see the logic.
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/slams head against wall


wtf why do you have such a hard time understanding things? do I need top spell it out for you? if you commit murder and the penalty is life in prison ..do you not deserve it? how is this any different?
 
CptStern said:
wtf why do you have such a hard time understanding things? do I need top spell it out for you? if you commit murder and the penalty is life in prison ..do you not deserve it? how is this any different?
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Because you always talk about bad the death penalty is. Now in this thread you seem to have had a change of heart. thats why Im having a hard time understanding your argument.
 
CptStern said:
sigh ..monkey I not talking about women in the sudan, or saudi arabia or whathaveyou

the law in the US is that war crimes = death penalty ..mentioning that it is the law does NOT equal supporting it
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Well yes, I just found it strange finding you speaking about how people should be executed, even if you do not support the law. As said, they should be put before an international court, but that wont happen...
 
You know what he meant. He was saying the court should try them to the fullest extent of the law, which in this case is the death penalty. To further make his point he listed many times which similar incidents have resulted in very little punishment.

Personally I'm not opposed to the death penalty, and think that the rape of a woman and the murder of her and her family members seems like a good time to use it. They should at least get life in prison.
 
US soldiers planned rape, murders

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_investigation


Yahoo said:
Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday

The Americans entered the Sunni Arab's family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.

The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was "totally premeditated,"
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yup they qualify for the death penalty


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060701/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_investigation
 
Kids are trained to kill, sent to a foreign country with only rations and weapons, and told to follow through with there training. Then the army ends up creating a monster that it can't totally control... Can't we see, as a species, that this has to f*cking stop somewhere?

Why are we killing eachother? Because a few mad men? A few evil genius dictators? I call bullshit. Thousands shouldn't, and need not die, to get rid of a handfull of crazy f*cks. We need edification.
 
man, the situation in Iraq is deteriorating. Pull out now....
As for the death penalty, i disagree. I'd say a long long long long time in prison with psycho electro shock treatment :p -> doing that kind of stuff clearly indicates insanity!!
To protect society, never let em go again, and lets start opening the book on soldier trauma before invading, since war f*cks people up, if not psysically its clearly mentally...
 
These are crazy ****s that need prosecution. It's not to do with training, etc, it's to do with some sick individuals who hatched up a plan to do it. It so happened they were in the army and in Iraq. The situation presented the opportunity, it didn't CAUSE them to do it though, so they're ****ing weirdos that should be tried to the fullest.

That said, I am dissapointed. Why is it only this type of stuff posted? If they weren't US soldiers I doubt it would've been posted. But it wasn't a part of the war effort or US commanding to do it, etc, it was a personal crime. Thus it either: shouldn't be in the politics section as it's a personal crime and not an issue of it being ordered, or every isntance of a soldier doing something should be posted, including the millions of heroic and philanthropic things.
 
Innervision961 said:
Can't we see, as a species, that this has to f*cking stop somewhere?
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That will never happen...because there are people that actually support this kind of idiocy...I know ppl in real life who say "we should kill every last one of them". Then when I go to say how stupid they sound when they say that they think im unpatriotic, anti american, a left wing fanatic, ect. Its idiocy to support this murder (I don't mean whether you support the war or not, thats a whole other issue).

And in my previous posts in my thread I wasn't displaying my feelings toward this issue I was just questioning sterns death penalty logic in case anyones wondering why I'm just now speaking out my opinion on the issue. I think these soldiers need to be jailed for life. I don't even know what to say to the fact that they had this planned a week beforehand.
 
Hell, I tell people that I AM unpatriotic. :D

Cause it's true.
 
You mean you assume that people would jump to conclusions? D:
 
gh0st said:
terrorists murder 60 people



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/w...fdb665ecf61dab&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

its war sternypoo deal with it.
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War could "explain" this, not justify -> hence they should be prosecuted and put away for a long long long time..
 
It is rare I disagree with Cpt Stern and this is no exception. I do, however, believe that there are two branches of apparent coalition war crimes and that the captain has made the error of lumping them together. One is that of the real psychopathes who use their position and access to weaponry in order to exact their personal thirst for blood from the weak around them. The other is the tragic accident that can occur when soldiers are forced to make decisions in the theatre that can go badly askew.

For instance, the death of Iraqi teenagers at the hands of soldiers who force them into bodies of water have been documented. A British investigation into one such incident found that the troops were attempting to create a reasonable punishment for those caught looting which resulted in tragedy.

On the other hand you have your Haditha where US troops attempted to make their actions appear as understandable as the event above while actually covering up some incredibly barbaric behaviour.

My point is this: Things are not so clear cut as the world would like them to be. These particular beings are barely human and their actions should be punished with the highest sentence that the courts can give. This does not mean that this type of behaviour is as endemic in the armed forces and it does not prove anything with regards the validity of the occupation (despite any personal feelings I and many others may have).

I don't think I could have been all that much less relevant, just had to get that off the chest.
 
gh0st said:
its war sternypoo deal with it.
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Maybe someday someone will rape and murder your family. Then I will say "its life ghostypoo deal with it."
 
ElFuhrer said:
Maybe someday someone will rape and murder your family. Then I will say "its life ghostypoo deal with it."
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no they wont. ill be in the marines, i'll be the one murdering and raping.
 
ElFuhrer said:
Of course. What better way to serve your country?
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im being sarcastic. this stuff is terrible, and isnt justified. but to act outraged and surprised in a time of quite a large troop build up in iraq is laughable. i mostly laugh at the way stern posts this shit.

****ing animals!
 
gh0st said:
im being sarcastic. this stuff is terrible, and isnt justified. but to act outraged and surprised in a time of quite a large troop build up in iraq is laughable. i mostly laugh at the way stern posts this shit.

****ing animals!
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So we're not supposed to be outraged when American soldiers rape innocent Iraqi civilians... because there's lots of soldiers? Should I not be outraged when a Canadian civilian gets raped by some guy because there's lots of guys in Canada? You make no sense.
 
Stigmata said:
So we're not supposed to be outraged when American soldiers rape innocent Iraqi civilians... because there's lots of soldiers? Should I not be outraged when a Canadian civilian gets raped by some guy because there's lots of guys in Canada? You make no sense.
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k im corrected, you should be outraged. i didnt mean to use that word there.
 
gh0st said:
k im corrected, you should be outraged. i didnt mean to use that word there.
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Heh, well at least we're on the same page now :) And I'm sure you meant to use the word "surprised", which I agree with... it was bound to happen.
 
I think what is really surprising and outrageous is the consequences (or lack thereof) that these guys are recieving. That's mostly what this thread is about. For people like us a crime like this would be life in prison or even the death penalty. They should be just as hard on these guys because they are representing the US, and their actions are very detrimental to bring peace to Iraq.
 
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