Moveon.org Moves on

[Bodacious]

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0310-35.htm

Sadly, it has come to this. Two years after the invasion of Iraq, the online powerhouse MoveOn.org -- which built most of its member base with a strong antiwar message -- is not pushing for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

Finally, some Bush hating liberals out there have given up. Another victory for conservatism

 

[jondy]

Blatant immaturity aside, how much good would it do to Iraq to leave the job half-done. You've started this mess, and you're gonna ****ing well clean it up

 

[Absinthe]

Blatant immaturity aside, how much good would it do to Iraq to leave the job half-done. You've started this mess, and you're gonna ****ing well clean it up

Agreed. I, for one, have never been an advocate for pulling out the troops.

 

[Kangy]

You don't do the crime if you can't do the time

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Finally, some Bush hating liberals out there have given up. Another victory for conservatism

I had a dream about this -- did they ever mention why? Something's changed -- be on your guard!

 

[Korgoth]

You would be hard pressed to find someone who says pull the troops out now and leave Iraq in the shape that it is in now.

 

[gh0st]

Whats funny is the blatant and rediculous bias of commondreams, which I notice is a source used dozens of times by posters here.

You would be hard pressed to find someone who says pull the troops out now and leave Iraq in the shape that it is in now.

Innervision, could you tell me why commondreams is so sad about this? Why would they say that moveon is "making peace with Iraq war" if pulling our troops out wasnt a good idea? Looks like I wasnt so hard pressed after all. I guess those "progressives" would be more than happy to leave it in the shape that its in.

 

[jondy]

Whats funny is the blatant and rediculous bias of commondreams, which I notice is a source used dozens of times by posters here.

Innervision, could you tell me why commondreams is so sad about this? Why would they say that moveon is "making peace with Iraq war" if pulling our troops out wasnt a good idea? Looks like I wasnt so hard pressed after all. I guess those "progressives" would be more than happy to leave it in the shape that its in.

What are you talking about? None of us has 'proclaimed our alliance' to commondreams - for all you know they could have completely different set of ideals than most liberals here

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, do you profess difference for yourself?

 

[jondy]

I generally don't read partisan sites.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Ah, your good then.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Wasn't the entire point of moveon to prevent bush from being re-elected?

Still it's nice to see someone so happy that someone on the other team agrees with a single point that his first response is to rub it in their face.

"Haha, you agree with Bodacious! Suckers!"

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I still cant see what he is saying ... someone, tell me!

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Great, another one-sentence of-topic post from keerbos. Laame.

I'm with Ab and jondy, by the way. At this time, there's a moral obligation for the US to not screw this up. So much wasted so far, the only option is to try and salvage the wreck. The election was only the first small step.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Well, whatever it is Mecca said, its not important. [Like always] But tell me if something significant developes -- I want to know if he later wants to apologize. :naughty:

On-Topic:

I just think its time people move-on and become more optimistic about what we can do in Iraq. There's no point in withdrawing because of Personal agendas.

 

[jondy]

I just think its time people move-on and become more optimistic about what we can do in Iraq. There's no point in withdrawing because of Personal agendas.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve here Kerberos, most of the 'liberal' posters here have agreed that we need to keep troops in Iraq to keep the place from falling apart

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I'm not sure what your trying to get at by quoting my post and posting what I understand already -- different people come by the threads, this is just to still out whats already known.

I mean, I'm glad the parties have agreed.

 

[jondy]

I'm not sure what your trying to get at by quoting my post and posting what I understand already -- different people come by the threads, this is just to still out whats already known.

They could just....read the thread; Enough stuff gets rehashed in political threads without you adding to it.

I mean, I'm glad the parties have agreed.

'Course you are, it's what you've been wanting ever since this whole fiasco started. You guys are lucky you got in so deep you can't wade back into the shallows again

 

[GhostFox]

Wasn't the entire point of moveon to prevent bush from being re-elected?

That's what I thought, but maybe we got the wrong impression up here.

 

[Razor]

Blatant immaturity aside, how much good would it do to Iraq to leave the job half-done. You've started this mess, and you're gonna ****ing well clean it up

Agreed, whatever their opinions on the Iraq war were, making a full withdrawal now would be extremely damaging to Iraq.

 

[gh0st]

What are you talking about? None of us has 'proclaimed our alliance' to commondreams - for all you know they could have completely different set of ideals than most liberals here

Not sure what YOU are talking about. I never said any of you proclaim your alliance... interesting that you put that in quotes, yet you have no such post to quote from - IE youre making shit up, so you should probably stop. This is my post, try reading it again

Innervision, could you tell me why commondreams is so sad about this? Why would they say that moveon is "making peace with Iraq war" if pulling our troops out wasnt a good idea? Looks like I wasnt so hard pressed after all. I guess those "progressives" would be more than happy to leave it in the shape that its in.

Nowhere here did I mention anybody from hl2.net, earlier I said that some people use common dreams as a source, despite the fact they have this rediculous bias. I dont care about your ideals, I'm not talking about them.

 

[jondy]

Not sure what YOU are talking about. I never said any of you proclaim your alliance... interesting that you put that in quotes, yet you have no such post to quote from - IE youre making shit up, so you should probably stop. This is my post, try reading it again

Nowhere here did I mention anybody from hl2.net, earlier I said that some people use common dreams as a source, despite the fact they have this rediculous bias. I dont care about your ideals, I'm not talking about them.

Contrary to your opinion, I'm not here to piss people off, I'm actually a reasonable bloke; and so you might do well to treat me as such.

Innervision, could you tell me why commondreams is so sad about this?

Nowhere here did I mention anybody from hl2.net, earlier I said that some people use common dreams as a source, despite the fact they have this rediculous bias[/ghost]

Your contradiction here aside, the inference that I took here was that you assumed that Innervision supported commondreams. If he didn't, why would he care why they were 'so sad', or indeed know anything about them. Fair enough if you weren't implying that; but try to word your posts a little more clearly then, eh.

some people use common dreams as a source, despite the fact they have this rediculous bias.

Like I said in the aforemention post, they're also a source of news

IE youre making shit up

'proclaimed their alliance' was put into quotes to represent the whole 'waggle two fingers' thing. Sorry you misinterpreted it, but you didn't have to launch into me like that.

Pretty sure I've covered everything here, just had couple or three pints so excuse any innaccuracies

 

[Bodacious]

The point of moveon.org was to get conservatives to move on from persecuting clinton over the Lewinsky thing.

 

[Commoner]

I think the real underlying point is that despite how Kerry's flip-flopping was a major reason why he lost the election, liberals continue to flip-flop all the time. It's sad really, I'm pretty liberal on most things, I think that "our side" just needs to grow a spine and say "Here's what we believe in." and stick to it.

 

[Absinthe]

Well, whatever it is Mecca said, its not important. [Like always] But tell me if something significant developes -- I want to know if he later wants to apologize. :naughty:

Jesus, Kerberos. You put the man on ignore for a reason. Have some maturity, stop trying to provoke something, and move on.

 

[bliink]

Jesus, Kerberos. You put the man on ignore for a reason. Have some maturity, stop trying to provoke something, and move on.

Indeed. The purpose of the ignore system is to prevent people being able to harass you.
It wasn't designed so that you can block out people whose opinions you disagree with.
If you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

 

[Absinthe]

I think the real underlying point is that despite how Kerry's flip-flopping was a major reason why he lost the election, liberals continue to flip-flop all the time. It's sad really, I'm pretty liberal on most things, I think that "our side" just needs to grow a spine and say "Here's what we believe in." and stick to it.

What is it with this crap? Liberals flip-flop no more or less than conservatives. Just because Kerry wasn't the most rock-solid candidate doesn't mean that every one on his end of the political spectrum is similar.