Murder in Iraq

[JellyWorld]

Probably. But not in principle. I dont want some frenchman or canuck judging American soldiers.

so you're saying American courts are biased towards American soldiers?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

so you're saying American courts are biased towards American soldiers?

He's saying foreign courts are biased against.

If the soldier is guilty he'll receive life imprisonment or death.

 

[Kebean PFC]

He's saying foreign courts are biased against.

And i agree. American courts are not as heavily biased for or agianst as some of the people in the IWCT. American courts will not and should not dismiss this case or give him the "slap in the wrist" you guys are thinking. If he is found guilty, he will most likely recieve death by firing squad, as it should be.

 

[CptStern]

Probably. But not in principle. I dont want some frenchman or canuck judging American soldiers.

afraid an impartial court may not rule in americans favour? besides it wont happen because they're still wanted for war crimes from the first war ..specifically GW's pappy

 

[righttolife]

ya, and at this moment, I think the only thing up for dispute is if it was premeditated.

I love it! "We're going to give you a fair trial, and then march you out back and then hang you".

Whoohoo! Justice! Good thing you werent on OJ's jury.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Probably. But not in principle. I dont want some frenchman or canuck judging American soldiers.

Frankly, an international court would be much less likely to give a biased account since, proportionally, you would have only a small percentage of us horrible canadian bastards trying to send your jerk to the gas chamber. (WTF?)
But even if there is a substantial canadian presence, something like 30% of canadians vote conservative just like you. And of the remaining bunch how many do you honestly expect to try and break the justice system out of some imagined spite?

The simple fact is that an international trial will be subject to a much greater variety of viewpoints.


Personally, I think the Iraqi gov should run this trial. The crime happened on their soil to one of their citizens. Maybe a joint US-iraq setup.

 

[Opheli@r]

If the US dosent start to get more concious of the context in wich it rests, it wont be long before some Adolf like general plans, and probably executes a coup de tat in the US.
Most of the people here realize this, and im glad. Show the world that America is not just a country that is full of power hungry assholes. Like Chirac said, democracies must lead by giving the example. Please forgive any spelling of mine. Still in High School.

 

[Zeknix]

I cannot believe this crap. Read this account of a Marine that was with Lt. Pantano. http://www.starnewsonline.com/assets/pdf/WM288336.PDF They were not uncuffed to be shot, but to search the vehicle that they fleed in. They then attempted to flee, and were told to stop several times in arabic. Pantano shot them with what sounded like 30 rds. With a M16, it only takes roughly 2 seconds to shoot 30rds so we aren't talking that long. He did not reload while he was firing on them, although he would have reloaded after because the rifle was empty. As far as I'm concerned, he was just doing his job. Kill people and break things, that is the work of a Marine.

 

[ModerateCentrist]

Every Arab who murders a U.S. soldier should be bombed or shot dead on site without trial or burial and left as food for birds, dogs, worms, and bacteria.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Every U.S. soldier who murders an Arab should be bombed or shot dead on site without trial or burial and left as food for birds, dogs, worms, and bacteria.

 

[CptStern]

Every Arab who murders a U.S. soldier should be bombed or shot dead on site without trial or burial and left as food for birds, dogs, worms, and bacteria.

what about every US soldier who murders an iraqi civilian? same thing?

 

[CptStern]

Every U.S. soldier who murders an Arab should be bombed or shot dead on site without trial or burial and left as food for birds, dogs, worms, and bacteria.

see what I mean ...even if you dont have a political affiliation ..they force you to draw a line in the sand .***N! while you still have the chance!

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate...

 

[CptStern]

you're addicted arent you?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

I'm winding down now. It's been a looooong weekend...

Anyway, get back on topic. Or I'll silence you!

 

[CptStern]

nooooo!!! the fascist overlords have spoken!! what happened to freedom of speech!! will NO ONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!



"I'll be good dont hurt me no mo boss"

yes ...people were murdered in iraq

 

[ModerateCentrist]

If an Arab is a terrorist, it impossible to murder him. Murder implies innocence. Terrorists can only be killed.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

If an Arab is a terrorist, it impossible to murder him. Murder implies innocence. Terrorists can only be killed.

terrorist to some
freedom fighter to the others

 

[CptStern]

If an Arab is a terrorist, it impossible to murder him. Murder implies innocence. Terrorists can only be killed.

read the first link in this thread

 

[Direwolf]

I think people are wary of having him tried in an International court simply because it could quickly become more about politics and less about the actual case at hand.

While I'm perfectly willing to say that there are some really bad people in every army, I don't yet have any real reason to doubt his comrades. I'd certainly trust their accounts over anyone elses at this point, especially given theirs and the defendents prior records.

 

[Zeknix]

terrorist to some
freedom fighter to the others

Where were these freedom fighters when Saddam was around? In fact why do they purposely target civilians? Watch SNIP and tell me they are still freedom fighters.

 

[CptStern]

ah another PW member come a trolling



edit: another PW member banned!! BUH-bye


fear the ever vigilant mods PW ...we are watching you

 

[Foxtrot]

ah another PW member come a trolling



edit: another PW member banned!! BUH-bye


fear the ever vigilant mods PW ...we are watching you

So when someone makes a point that doesn't agree with yours they have to be from PW?

 

[CptStern]

okkkaaaaay ...ignore the obvious foxtrot why dont you and just jump on the flaming bandwagon ...he did post an inappropriate video ..one that is CLEARLY against the rules ..but wtf why focus on that when you take a stab at me instead?

 

[Tr0n]

That guy is probally from PW.

 

[Direwolf]

Yeah, I'd say so. I doubt any normal member would just show up, make two imflammatory posts in the politics section, and then get banned.

 

[bliink]

Just ignore the multiple bannings and continue posting as normal... no need to go off-topic over it. :thumbs:

 

[SAJ]

I find it kind of interesting that the only u.s soldier to be given the death penalty so far(in regards to Iraq invasion) was convicted of killing his own team-mates.
It says alot about the worth of an iraqi life in comparison to an american, when in a u.s court.

 

[Some_God]

I find it kind of interesting that the only u.s soldier to be given the death penalty so far(in regards to Iraq invasion) was convicted of killing his own team-mates.
It says alot about the worth of an iraqi life in comparison to an american, when in a u.s court.

You should've known that from the start. To America, American lives are all that and a bag of Skittles... Iraqi Police and Soldiers are just some gummy-bears... Iraqi civilians are brocolli.

 

[Foxtrot]

You should've known that from the start. To America, American lives are all that and a bag of Skittles... Iraqi Police and Soldiers are just some gummy-bears... Iraqi civilians are brocolli.

Wow, you have a pretty low opinion of them.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Wow, It is not that a US life is superior it is that this was murder and can be proven. All the others were from one witness. And you cannot trust the Iraqis, they don't give a sh*t about justice, they will just tell whatever story is most likely to get the soldier killed, or imprisioned.

You are implying that this kind of murder happens everyday. It does not, it just proves you have a very stinted view of the world, nothing else. People die in Iraq everyday. If a soldier commits MURDER and is tried and proven guilty the penalty is death.

 

[Direwolf]

There's also the question of intent. You murder somebody if you intend to kill them specifically, and that is your goal. This doesn't include military or civilian casualties in military operations that are the result of a mistake, since the intention wasn't to kill them.

This is a case were the facts, context, environment, and intentions are all known factors. Because of that they can give out an extreme sentence without fearing that they've convicted an innocent.