My beef with the world.

[sinkoman]

Seriously, this isn't the worst hurricane ever. It's just WHERE IT HIT that made it so bad.

*cough*

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1574077&postcount=8

There are worse places for a hurricane to hit.

It wasn't the hurricane that raped them, it was everything SPAWNED by the hurricane. The levies breaking (again, I can't stop thinking of Zep), The Mississippi flooding, all the water comming down hill into their little pit, it wasn't there position that made it horrible.

 

[Steve]

i dont care about you joking (though i dont think its particularly funny having police officers shot in the head by looters, having to put the national guard in a militant offensive role as opposed to a "rescue" mode, and having 10 feet of stagnant piss water all around peoples homes), but it just seems gay that you are wasting so many posts trying to find out my mood which neither of you quite got.

Point taken. Care to tell us?

*cough*

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1574077&postcount=8

There are worse places for a hurricane to hit.

It wasn't the hurricane that raped them, it was everything SPAWNED by the hurricane. The levies breaking (again, I can't stop thinking of Zep), The Mississippi flooding, all the water comming down hill into their little pit, it wasn't there position that made it horrible.

Did I SAY it was the worse possible place? No. I said where it hit made it bad. GRRR!

 

[sinkoman]

QFT. New Orleans is lower than sea level..man that sucks.

Lol, you only figured that out now?

 

[Asus]

Personally...I'd expect those who can to donate in their own country to do so before people in foreign countries. Especially in the US where there are a lot of people who are rich. I understand why you would be upset but where the quickest and most aid will come from is right here in the US.

Although I agree there are some opinions/excuses from foreign countries that are just BS. I'll just ignore them though.

Granted there wasn't as many killed as in 9/11 or the tsunami in Asia but the scope of the damage is huge and the cost to rebuild New Orleans will be too.
I can't imagine what those people are thinking in New Orleans as their lives come to a complete stop and have nothing. :\

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Asus, the death toll may end up exceeding 9/11.

Thousands could be dead right now. It is a fact that number is going to rise dramatically because people are just wading and living in the essentially, literally, sewage water. Elderly are dying fast, people are getting sick, there's a health epidemic. The injured are essentially screwed because evacuations can only get out about 15,000 a day. In the end, you may see the death toll from this be near the tens of thousands if not more.

It had the same effect as the tsunami in a sense, literally. The storm surge and wave was many feet high (I forget the number but it was high) The reason there's less deaths, is because the tsunami hit more actual milage of coastline, and this only hit the southern coast, plus our architecture/buildings can withstand it a lot better than some of the village stuff over there.

 

[dream431ca]

Lol, you only figured that out now?

Nah..knew it all along.

 

[dream431ca]

Asus, the death toll may end up exceeding 9/11.

Thousands could be dead right now. It is a fact that number is going to rise dramatically because people are just wading and living in the essentially, literally, sewage water. Elderly are dying fast, people are getting sick, there's a health epidemic. The injured are essentially screwed because evacuations can only get out about 15,000 a day. In the end, you may see the death toll from this be near the tens of thousands if not more.

Possibly the worst hurricane in many years.

 

[Tr0n]

Yea they haven't even begun counting the deaths. I think they are waiting for the flooding to stop and so on. That's when we will get the actual ammount of deaths.

(Also don't forget the personal on oil rigs and ships.)

 

[sinkoman]

Did I SAY it was the worse possible place? No. I said where it hit made it bad. GRRR!

Calm down dude, I know you didn't say that, I was just stating that there are worse places.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Yea they haven't even begun counting the deaths. I think they are waiting for the flooding to stop and so on. That's when we will get the actual ammount of deaths.

(Also don't forget the personal on oil rigs and ships.)

wasnt the oil rigs evacuated????

 

[Top Secret]

I don't want money. Send helicopters, pumps, mre's, boats, clothing, HANDS.

That is all I ask.

 

[Steve]

Calm down dude, I know you didn't say that, I was just stating that there are worse places.

Oh, dude! I was just playin'. That's why I put the "GRR!" in there, to make it noticeably absurd.

 

[sinkoman]

Oh, dude! I was just playin'. That's why I put the "GRR!" in there, to make it noticeably absurd.

Oh, I took the grr as "omfg this dimshit doesn't pay attention".

Well, hope you guys down there in didn't get hit too hard.

 

[Steve]

Baton Rouge is fine. Just flooded with refugees. Thanks for the concern.

 

[gh0st]

what sucks is New Orleans is one of my favorite cities, i wish i could have been there for more than 2 days. i was 14 and got plastered lol, french 1/4 for the win.

 

[Sparta]

How many people were killed in the Tsunami? How many were killed in Katrina?

Is New Orleans a wealthy city? Because it certainly sounds like it would be wealthy in comparison to Banda Aceh.

Edit: Did some searching on Google and some 220,000 people were killed in the tsunami late last year. Still looking for info on Katrina

 

[Top Secret]

Katrina will be thousands.

 

[alehm]

How many people were killed in the Tsunami? How many were killed in Katrina?

Is New Orleans a wealthy city? Because it certainly sounds like it would be wealthy in comparison to Banda Aceh.

Edit: Did some searching on Google and some 220,000 people were killed in the tsunami late last year. Still looking for info on Katrina

When humans relate help to whether someone is not wealthy enough or until a certain magic number of people are killed then we are never going to realize that is the need that is the true indication of the situation. Not money, not comparisons to other disasters.

New Orleans for example is filling up with water, people have been stranded in homes surrounded by water with no food, electricity, no drinking water for days. If these people don't get help people are going to be spending days dieing agonizing, slow deaths. People are believed to still be in their attics and we don't know they are there because they have no tools to cut through their roofs and signal for help. Their house if totally flooded so they are holed up in a dark attic. Slowly starving and cooking to death and you are saying "Too bad. You look wealthy to me and not enough people have died yet compared to the tsunami so its your problem. Not mine. "

Nice display of human compasion.

 

[CptStern]

I hate to say it but very few people sympathize with america ..sure they may feel bad for the individual americans killed/left homeless but you've really gone out of your way to alienate the rest of the world ..showing utter contempt for international law and laughing in our faces. This isnt an excuse, and the people affected by the flooding didnt cause this ...but unforetunately some countries will turn a blind eye just because it's america


thankfully there's still lots of people who dont associate the people with the government... I, personally, feel sympathy, I really do ...I just dont expect the world to bend over backwards and coming rushing to your aid

 

[alehm]

And to the originator of this thread.

You shouldn't care if we do things to help the world and if it seems no one wants to help us. It doesn't matter. If you want to help somebody it should be a conviction in your heart, not a "if I scratch your back you should scratch mine."

I realize the latter is how the world really works, but you know what? The world is a let down and it sucks because in the end people only give a damn about themselves.

If you really want to make a difference in the world do things because of conviction, not because of favors.

 

[alehm]

I hate to say it but very few people sympathize with america ..

You may hate to say it, but you sure seem to say it a lot.

 

[CptStern]

You may hate to say it, but you sure seem to say it a lot.

I meant in this instance ...in all other instances ..I dont hate to say it

 

[mortiz]

Which ever way you look at it the Tsunami was worse than Katrina, but that's not the point. America is the richest country on the planet, most of the countries who were affected by the Tsunami were third world, or at best second world.

 

[The Monkey]

You wouldn't accept it anyway. And besides. This is a much smaller disaster than the tsunami.

 

[KoreBolteR]

i dont think canada/UK/austalia hates america much, because them countries speak english. (except for frenchy quebec)

 

[CptStern]

i dont think canada/UK/austalia hates america much, because them countries speak english. (except for frenchy quebec)

what does that have to do with anything? speaking the same language doesnt mean we'll turn a blind eye

 

[KoreBolteR]

what does that have to do with anything? speaking the same language doesnt mean we'll turn a blind eye

i dno, we have this little bond. we can understand eachother..

this is why europe will never be 'one'. like america is. (because we all speak different languages)

 

[mortiz]

i dno, we have this little bond. we can understand eachother..

this is why europe will never be 'one'. like america is. (because we all speak different languages)

They will if we make them all speak English damnit, like they should be doing anyway.

 

[Asus]

I'm not sure why you guys are comparing natural disasters as they are disasters after all...
FYI they don't have a death toll yet. They are worried about those who are alive and trying to get them water/food and out of there.

Sure the people involved have money in the bank (although they say most that live there are not well off) but the whole city is out of it. They can't get to their banks or anything. Most of the people are still in flooded New Orleans as well.

 

[mortiz]

If it's possible to make the comparison "Well my <insert something here> is bigger than your <insert something here>" about something, then that comparison will be made.

 

[Tr0n]

My penis is bigger than your penis. FACT.


Not really.

 

[Llama]

Forgive me, but im spending **** all to help a nation that has wasted more money on Iraq than is needed to end world hunger. And like Disturbed said...USA is one of the largest, most powerful nations in the world.
People that are complaining about not receiving aid from foreighn nations, grow the f**k up, the only nation on the planet that can throw 50 billion dollars around is you guessed it, the USA. In the scheme of world events this is nothing.

 

[alehm]

Forgive me, but im spending **** all to help a nation that has wasted more money on Iraq than is needed to end world hunger. And like Disturbed said...USA is one of the largest, most powerful nations in the world.
People that are complaining about not receiving aid from foreighn nations, grow the f**k up, the only nation on the planet that can throw 50 billion dollars around is you guessed it, the USA. In the scheme of world events this is nothing.

Your humanity is touching.

 

[CptStern]

You're humanity is touching.

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)



where was your humanity then? if I recall correctly many right wingers tried to justify it. I'm not saying you were one of them ..all I'm saying is that it's easy to point fingers ...not so easy when the finger is pointing at you

 

[Llama]

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)



where was your humanity then? if I recall correctly many right wingers tried to justify it. I'm not saying you were one of them ..all I'm saying is that it's easy to point fingers ...not so easy when the finger is pointing at you

Who are you defending, me or him?

(To alehm)
I just cant have any sympathy for the nation when i know they are perfectly capable of helping themselves.
Im not evil, i donated plently of money to the Indenesian crisis...but donating money to one of the worlds richest nations is a time...well...pointless isnt it?

 

[CptStern]

I quoted alehm

 

[mortiz]

Who are you defending, me or him?
I just cant have any sympathy for the nation when i know they are perfectly capable of helping themselves

Then you've got to say to yourself "Would CptStern be seen to be defending the United States" which should give you your answer right there!

 

[CptStern]

hey!! I've defended the US ...there's lots of things about america/americans I like ...I'm not all doom and gloom ya know

 

[Llama]

Then you've got to say to yourself "Would CptStern be seen to be defending the United States" which should give you your answer right there!

Good point.
I consider it in a way similair to the "Put a *whatever* in front of your MSN name in respect of the people that died in the London bobms" I refused point blank to about 40 people to put a rose on, it was bloody ridiculous, i gave my share to help agencies, but i didnt overblow it completly. Same case here, i cant see how someone ranting on a forum (Ironic of me to say that :angel: ) will make any difference

 

[baxter]

Why do I have a beef with the world about this? Namely the tsunami. The USA and the rest of the world busted their asses helping them out, and they didn't even want us there (the USA at least). Now when we're in need, we haven't gotten SHIT for help from the rest of world. They sure are jumping through hoops to help

From papal prayers to telegrams from China, the world reacted with an outpouring of compassion yesterday for victims of Hurricane Katrina in messages tinged by shock that a disaster of this scale could occur in the United States.

Venezuela's government, which has had tense relations with Washington, offered humanitarian aid and fuel.

French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder sent messages of sympathy to President Bush

Pope Benedict XVI said he was praying for victims of the "tragic" hurricane while China's President Hu Jintao expressed his "belief that that the American people will definitely overcome the natural disaster and rebuild their beautiful homeland."

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II also sent a message to Bush saying she was "deeply shocked and saddened" at the devastation.

The U.S. Embassy in Bern, Switzerland, said calls were rushing in from Swiss individuals and institutions looking to donate to relief efforts.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002463363_katrinaworld01.html

Stop trying to generate this "the world couldn't give a shit because it's America” feeling, you are so far off the mark, its saddening.
There is genuine sympathy for the poor people caught up in this tragedy.
America is well equipped to handle this situation herself without the need for aid from the international community. If America was to ask for aid, it is beyond belief that the world would not offer whatever it could.