My theory...

[WermerSkoch]

I was thinking... Vivendi (sp?) has made a statement saying HL2 won't be out 'till April. However, ValVe is actually MAKING the game, and they have yet to make an official statement, no? I'm thinking, Valve is working their butts off right now, and going to try and release it this Christmas as planned. Anyone else thought of this? Maybe this is just wishful thinking... :dozey:

 

[bate18]

what? wha , you, what, what is your theory again? it doesnt make sense to me, it just seems like you said everything we've been talking about since vivendi anoucned april 04

 

[Stryyder]

My theory is who knows.

1)We have no idea what status the game is in.

2) We have no idea if the game can be completed by year end

3) We have no idea even if the game is finished if Vivendi would like to publish it now

4) We have no idea with all the other games being released if Vivendi has the resources to publish it now.

5) We have no idea if Vivendi is contractually obligated to publish even if it is finished because technically it is not 'finished' until their QA is done with it which means it will get published when Vivendi thinks it done..

6) If it is not out before Deus Ex II I won't give a crap because I am buying Deus Ex II and playing that and will only care about HL2 when I am done with Deus Ex II.

 

[Cheater]

vivendi is a dick.

gabe initially said that they will make it for september 30th. Since gabe is the director of his company, he certainly know what he's talking about. I think that beofre september 30th, the game is closed to be done or already done. That's why gabe is so sure about the release day. Even two week ago before 30th, gabe reply an e-mail saying that hl2 will be released the september 30th. However, they didn't make it, that must be something wrong with vivendi, the ****ing editior. let's incinerate vivendi to hell

 

[Stryyder]

wow I am an Ant Lion now, when did that happen?

 

[Cheater]

it happens when the your ant lion mom give your birth

 

[Cheetarah654]

Originally posted by WermerSkoch
Anyone else thought of this?

extremely doubtful, everyone here strictly follows ONLY vivendi statements. they are to be taken seriously and can always be relied upon. valve has no say in the matter and even if they did speak up, saying the game was finished and being released, dont believe anything until vivendi says so

 

[Kon]

Valve must have something up their sleeve..

 

[Cheater]

Originally posted by Kon
Valve must have something up their sleeve..

according to the hacker, the leaked demo is what valve have right now.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by Cheater
according to the hacker, the leaked demo is what valve have right now.

You sir, are an idiot (if you believe that).

 

[Shinigami]

Hehe, nice SHODAN avatar.

The hacker is an idiot. How the hell would he know that was all Valve had at that time? He certainly can't prove it, and he's obviously just guessing. All they had on that ONE computer he broke into, maybe, but only Valve knows anything for sure.

From what I've heard, the hacker is supposedly just some lone nerd in Denmark, or something.

...Resist... Hamlet... jokes...

 

[Gordon'sFreeman]

Originally posted by Stryyder
My theory is who knows.

1)We have no idea what status the game is in.

2) We have no idea if the game can be completed by year end

3) We have no idea even if the game is finished if Vivendi would like to publish it now

4) We have no idea with all the other games being released if Vivendi has the resources to publish it now.

5) We have no idea if Vivendi is contractually obligated to publish even if it is finished because technically it is not 'finished' until their QA is done with it which means it will get published when Vivendi thinks it done..

 

[Tarkus]

have to post more if i want higher status... but dont know what to say, these past times have been really boring in spite of all of the other great games... if only they would release the fudjing techdemo i wouldn't give a crap if they release it this year or not.. my theory is:
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[iamironsam]

Bump! Sticky!

 

[MiG]

Isn't it that Steam isn't stable enough to distribute hl2 (and CS:CZ probably) so Valve don't want to roll hl2 out?
Though I'd say hl2 can only benefit from the delay, as, well, they're not just gonna leave it sit around untouched for a few months. Are they?

 

[king John I]

the game is sooo coming out in april.



(oops, did i say that outloud?)

 

[Stryyder]

Added 15 new content servers and Steam has worked since day one from me. How much more stable does it need to be?

 

[CoolFunkMan]

Haven't been here for a while, nothings really too different

I think if it is delayed, it will benefit, after all, we know it'll be brilliant anyway.

LOL, here's something funny: the other day a friend of mine said "Half-Life 2 is never coming out" because of this hacking, etc. However, he's still convinced that Duke Nukem Forever will be released!

No offence to DNF fans, but I just found that ironic...

 

[Stryyder]

That is pretty funny

 

[RabidMeatloaf]

Originally posted by Stryyder
Added 15 new content servers and Steam has worked since day one from me. How much more stable does it need to be?

Steam was working for me up until a week ago...I think a reinstall is needed. It is nice they've added all those content severs though!

 

[WermerSkoch]

Originally posted by Kon
Valve must have something up their sleeve..

My thoughts exactly. There's no way Valve is going to let the game be pushed back that far. Stupid hacker...

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Official Announcement from VALVe:

"Our next step in preparing Steam for title launches will be updates that make a difference. Including non-idle content servers, and security verification that requires a Retinal ID Scan."

 

[Shuzer]

Retinal scanners? Crap, how much are they going to be charging for THOSE?

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by MiG
Isn't it that Steam isn't stable enough to distribute hl2 (and CS:CZ probably) so Valve don't want to roll hl2 out?

yup.. and releasing HL2 over an unstable Steam will make matters worse..

Originally posted by Stryyder
Added 15 new content servers and Steam has worked since day one from me. How much more stable does it need to be?

so Stryyder has had no problems whatsoever... u hear that Valve? since u were waiting for Stryyder, its safe now to release HL2!!! /stinky smelly sarcasm :upstare:

seriously dude.. all u need to do is go visit the Steam section of this forum or better yet, go to the Steampowered forums to see the thousands of threads requesting for help because Steam is not stable for those pple..

heres a news flash for ya, the world does not revolve around u!

shocker? isn't it? u poor thing.. yeeesh

btw Shuzer nice post :E

 

[henrym]

It kinda makes sense for VALVe to finish HL2 before christmas, then they get to cash-in on holiday sales. Although it does screw up Vivendi's projected financial plan ( but who gives a f*** 'bout that? ) .

 

[Shuzer]

Bah. Wading through the massive collection of useless dribble that some call conversational topics at the steampowered.com forums is mind numbingly maddening.

Honestly, the people having problems with Steam can't tie their own shoe laces, nevermind know how to launch a program as simple and straight forward as Steam (sorry to anyone here who is having problems with Steam ).

I'd take the people at steampowered.com more seriously if their posts didn't consist of "omg wtf steam not werk i install & paid for Haalflief NOW NO WORK OMG VALVE U GUYZ SUX0RRRR BRING BACK WON OR I SEW U GUYZ~"

You get the picture. steampowered.com = (in most cases) mindless trolls ranting with improper grammar, poor spelling and no guidelines on proper sentence structure about how VALVe, who continues to update a 6 year old game, sucks. Go figure.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

most of what u said is true Shuzer.. but there are intelligent posters there that are having problems.. September i think it was when i posted there for help and kindly enough there were some mature responses..

anyway im willing to believe theres still enough pple out there that know how to use Steam but are having problems..

i'll give u a personal example.. Steam was working fine up until the middle of last week.. then suddenly there was a minor update and all of Steam goes wacko on me.. the HL games stopped working.. then slowly after playing around with the settings i got some things working while other things like resolution took longer to fix.

Valve needs to fix Steam in terms of updates.. as soon as my Steam updates, some of its features stop working properly and stuff.. currently this is the problem i've noticed.

 

[southparksam]

Re: Re: My theory...

Originally posted by Cheetarah654
extremely doubtful, everyone here strictly follows ONLY vivendi statements. they are to be taken seriously and can always be relied upon. valve has no say in the matter and even if they did speak up, saying the game was finished and being released, dont believe anything until vivendi says so

But cant valve distribute through steam before getting vivendis approval???

 

[Stryyder]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
yup.. and releasing HL2 over an unstable Steam will make matters worse..



so Stryyder has had no problems whatsoever... u hear that Valve? since u were waiting for Stryyder, its safe now to release HL2!!! /stinky smelly sarcasm :upstare:

seriously dude.. all u need to do is go visit the Steam section of this forum or better yet, go to the Steampowered forums to see the thousands of threads requesting for help because Steam is not stable for those pple..

heres a news flash for ya, the world does not revolve around u!

shocker? isn't it? u poor thing.. yeeesh

btw Shuzer nice post :E

Dude relax all I know there are are hell of a lot more people it is working for than it isn't. If you don't believe me go and look at how many active and full servers are out there right now.

My point is that MOST people have no problem with steam and there is a small perecentage of people with problems and even a smaller percentage with critical problems.

This is a deduced conclusion based on looking at how many people are up and online playing at any given time vs how many people are complaining, certainly not scientific but better than the knee jerk it sucks reaction you seem to have.

I also am not saying that Steam shouldn't continue to be worked on, they are and they are now releasing patches weakly and the number of things they fixed alone in the last two weeks is pretty high. If they wanted to release today the vast majority of users would have no issue. I am sorry you don't seem to be in that group.

P.S. If you can find 1000 threads I would be suprised, there are not even that many complaints in the official Steam forums, at least not unresolved ones..

 

[Stryyder]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
most of what u said is true Shuzer.. but there are intelligent posters there that are having problems.. September i think it was when i posted there for help and kindly enough there were some mature responses..

anyway im willing to believe theres still enough pple out there that know how to use Steam but are having problems..

i'll give u a personal example.. Steam was working fine up until the middle of last week.. then suddenly there was a minor update and all of Steam goes wacko on me.. the HL games stopped working.. then slowly after playing around with the settings i got some things working while other things like resolution took longer to fix.

Valve needs to fix Steam in terms of updates.. as soon as my Steam updates, some of its features stop working properly and stuff.. currently this is the problem i've noticed.

Good rule of thumb is that after every update manually shut down steam and then restart your box. For some reason Steam seems to work alot cleaner when I do this. Also if I am having problems after an update this seems to fix them.

 

[Stryyder]

Re: Re: Re: My theory...

Originally posted by southparksam
But cant valve distribute through steam before getting vivendis approval???

Probably not unless Vivendi are morons, Valve had a sweetheart contract as it was, no milestones, no requirement to update sierra as to progress etc. The fact that they are allowed to even think about distributing on their own shows that. But it would be completly moronic if sierra/vivendi left them an option to distribute via Steam prior to the brick and mortar release.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
most of what u said is true Shuzer.. but there are intelligent posters there that are having problems.. September i think it was when i posted there for help and kindly enough there were some mature responses..

Like I said, in most cases. I've had two major problems with Steam in the past, one was after that update rolled back, I had to reinstall. The other was an immature admin who ran admin_slowhack on me in a CS game, and it screwed Steam up (didn't even bother looking for a fix, just reinstalled), although there was a fix that I found after I reinstalled.

My point is, I think the majority of people who post complaints/problems about Steam are, well, dumb. I'm not saying EVERYONE is, but, looking through the steampowered.com forums leads me to believe most people that are having problems are the ones with very easy to fix issues for anyone who's even remotely PC savy.

For the most part, I'd say people who play CS/other HL mods on a daily basis are having no problems with Steam, because, well, they know to keep their computers in working order. The ones who ARE having problems, those are either easy to fix problems, or just the end user's fault all together. Atleast, this is how I see it. Like I said, there are exceptions, but most of the complaints/bugs I've read are easily fixable by the end user.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by Stryyder
This is a deduced conclusion based on looking at how many people are up and online playing at any given time vs how many people are complaining, certainly not scientific but better than the knee jerk it sucks reaction you seem to have.

first of all i don't have a "knee jerk it sucks reaction" because if i did, then i wouldn't even come as far as i have with Steam.. believe it or not at first time ever trying Steam would not even install on my comp.. and i shouldn't need to tell u that i was meeting all requirements etc..

anyway in the last 2 months i have defended Steam and Valve so many times.. well especially during the time when there was an -influx of new posters creating "i hate Valve and i hate Steam even more" threads..

pple just need patience.. i have said this many times lately and its no different now.

Originally posted by Stryyder Good rule of thumb is that after every update manually shut down steam and then restart your box.

right... and i did that countless times, fact is Steam is still buggy in some cases regardless of what u do..

and as far as comments about critical errors in Steam go.. well IMHO they are the biggest reason why Steam isn't ready for a HL2 release..

imagine Valve releasing HL2 now.. while some pple (probably 1/4 of all Steam users lets say) experience these critical errors.. now combine that 1/4 with the number of pple that will encounter problems when installing and/or playing HL2 using Steam.. ya all of a sudden the 1/4 of the Steam population with problems has increased to 1/2..

anyway whatever.. im just saying that these same pple who whine about HL2 not being out yet are the same dumbasses that would whine even more if HL2 were to be released immediately amidest all these Steam problems Valve has been trying to address..

 

[HybridM]

even if it's working for the majority of people, before doing something like distributing hl2 over it, you'll wanna get a 98% or so success rate.

I haven't used steam yet and don't want to, guess I have no choice when hl2 comes out.


EDIT: When I say 98% I mean 98% bug free, there will always be tonnes of problems stemming from between the chair and keyboard.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by HybridM
even if it's working for the majority of people, before doing something like distributing hl2 over it, you'll wanna get a 98% or so success rate.

I haven't used steam yet and don't want to, guess I have no choice when hl2 comes out.


EDIT: When I say 98% I mean 98% bug free, there will always be tonnes of problems stemming from between the chair and keyboard.

HybridM i suggest u try it out now.. most of the major bugs are gone.. except for some special cases.. but i wouldn't reccommend waiting til HL2 comes out because than ur gonna have others like urself who did not get Steam and will be in a rush for it then..

not to mention the problems that will arise out of a HL2 release.. best thing to probably do is get Steam on ur system and have it in some working order so u don't go through as many pains as u could be going through should u decide to wait it out..

besides, if u do encounter a tough problem now, u have time to figure it all out.. once HL2 is released.. u may spend some time before u get a response to problems that would have been addressed a few months ago..

anyway /free advice

man i gotta start charging fees :upstare: :smoking:

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
HybridM i suggest u try it out now.. most of the major bugs are gone.. except for some special cases.. but i wouldn't reccommend waiting til HL2 comes out because than ur gonna have others like urself who did not get Steam and will be in a rush for it then..

well if he/she buys it at a store then all the files required for running steam will be installed at the same time, its only if someone waits to install steam and then buys HL2 over it that they might experience lots of slowdown. Or decide to install one of the other games from it. But HL2 shouldn't cause too many problems for users that buy it from the store

but since I want to make sure there's a copy left in town for me, i suggest everyone go and buy it online instead

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Originally posted by Fenric1138
but since I want to make sure there's a copy left in town for me, i suggest everyone go and buy it online instead

lol spoken like a true fanboy

whats not to say that the copy of Steam u get with HL2 will be bug free? of course nothing is gauranteed.. but by having Steam ahead of time.. ur at least familar with it and see how it behaves which might in the long run help u out

but whatever floats his boat.. if HybridM doesn't feel like installing Steam then nobody is really forcing him either

 

[Shuzer]

I hope HL2 is pre-loaded onto people's machines ahead of time, that way it won't be as bad as the day Steam came out.. regardless if you buy it online or in the store, I hope it gets preloaded, or atleast whatever needs to be preloaded for HL2 online

 

[destrukt]

If it gets preloaded (I'm assming you mean downloaded onto their computers), I'm pretty sure someone with the skill will crack it it :S which may cause problems.

 

[alco]

whatever.

It's gonna get stolen once it goes gold anyways. :dozey: